I have a mildly modified street car which is a 1982 camaro Z28 converted to an 89 IROC convertible in rough shape but a stout drivetrain mods include a 1972 350 0&0 block 4 bolt main, externaly balanced 400 crank, speedpro forged pistons 30 over, used but forged connecting rods, small comp cam hyd. flat tappet 224/230 480 gross valve lift @.050 like I said small, L31 aftermarket heads with 520 lift springs five angle valve job stock valves 1.52 ratio rockers, air gap intake, holley 750, fluid dampener, hedman 1/58" shorties true 2.5" duals magnaflow's glasspacks, stock 7.5" rear 3.08 posi, stock NWC T5 with 2400lbs pressure plate tsock clutch.

again this car has potential but hindered by stock parts that will break upon hard throttle (drivetrain) but a nasty little motor none the less as experienced by many a mustang, 4th gen f-bodies, imports of all shapes and sizes and including a few vettes whos drivers cant drive for ****, who assumed my ugly little vert was all noise .

well I also have a 1993 mustang coupe that I got a good deal on a while back, in my favorite color green it also has a few goodies being that it was an ex-unmarked FHP car and so, a fun car non the less it is rather bland performance wise. So a proposition was made by me to my oldest son to liven the old stang up and try and match it's performance with the camaro's and the end result would be a Old Dog versus young dog, carb versus EFI, Stang versus Camaro. still awake there??? so the plan was to buy bargain performance as I did with the camaro to mod the stang and compliment what it already has which is a GT40 intake, 65 mm tb, 73 mm maf, 24 lbs inj, mac cai, mac shorties 1/58" loud true dual flowmaster's, everything else (tranny aod, 8.8" rear 327 gears, engine long block) is bone stock. So we went parts hunting and found a nice set of E7's with 560 lift springs, ported with 5 angle valve job stock valves, F-303 cam and a 2800 stall 9" converter and the project has started.

now again in the stangs case there will be weak points like the stock gears the stock bottom end and my son who will be driving it but as soon as it is done we will be heading out to the track to test them out head to head.
any bids on the outcome??

 

hmm..my guess is its going to be close...but i vote stang, mainly because of weight

 

Should have dumped the AOD and dropped a T5 in it. It would be much faster and even faster than the AOD with the converter. With that done I could see the car running deep 13s on street tires, as the combo is a little more stout than mine!

 

With the mods the stang already has adding cam should make it faster than your camaro. Both motor should make about the same power but the fox is much much lighter.

 

I see your point in terms of all around performance but remember the stick benefits from the almost Zero parasitic loss through the drivetrain but loses to traction while an automatic with a converter has drivetrain loss on top, will always give the driver better control in the dig and a converter minimizes this parasitic loss as the coupler engages, case in point in moroso motorsports park in florida two fox bodies square off with similiar mods on DR's one a coupe stick the other a GT auto where the GT wins by 6 tenths by bagging the 60 foot with an almost perfect 1.5 and the GT was running 355's while the coupe ran a 373.

 

Sorry I'm just seeing brain cells destroyed with that exhaust set up there

 

A good driver in a stick on DRs, and a *** driver with an auto on DRs, the auto with a good converter, I would say the stick still has it. I had a converter in my AOD car, and the stick with only me having one week behind the wheel went .3 faster, with a similar 60'! A converter and shift kit helps more, and even a manual valve body, but from experience, no heads up racer running less than 10s, will run an AOD car, they just cant run with the stick shifted cars!

I have yet to have an AOD with similar mods even come close to my times!

 

whats wrong witht the exhaust? do you mean the camaro?

 

personaly if my intentions where to enter the super stock class with the stang I would either go with a lentech auto or a stoutly built C4 like I had on my 69 stang and theres no way even a modofied stick could have holeshot me.

 

Maybe on an all out drag car where street manners dont matter, but In classes designed for more street oriented cars, where I race, (the NMRA) you wont see one auto in the mid 11 second class I run in, there used to be one auto in the mid 10 second class, and in the mid 9 second class there are no autos allowed!

Also in street applications, the AOD is hindered by its horrible first gear ratio. Its 2.46 compared to the stock T5s 3.35. Even aftermarket T5s and Tremecs have between 2,95 and 3.27 first gear ratios! Now I will admitt with the stick driving has to be up to par, but if it is, the auto is going to need a lot of work to keep pace!

 

the guy has a vortec headed 224/230 383 small block

i would go with camaro on this one if that 383 is running strong

now once that stang gets that cam and heads on, with converter it could be close race.

 

I think so as well, the camaro has a rather light cam but @ 110 lobe separation on a built bottom end and those heads its a wild ape when it's cut loose but too loose and that T5 cracks open like a watermelon. MUSTANG UPDATE! we pulled the motor out today and cleaning and prepping parts for painting, I am a traditionalist so the block, heads and accesories brackets are going old ford blue tonight, I would've painted chevy orange just to give the mustang guys a heart attack but no I'll go with blue.

 

I would put back the stock 19lb/hr injectors in the stang. Maybe not though. Tune it. I dont see why you would bring bigger injectors in......

 

If you use the 24lb/hr injectors, you would want a 75mm+ MAF meter....