buddy from welding class has an early 90's mustang. it's a 5.0/5 speed car with full exhaust and a King Cobra clutch. not sure what else has been done. k&n probably. anyhow, he wanted to run em to see how he could do. no trash talk, just simple good fun. so as we left the college last night, it was me and him, and then a caravan of about 4 people who wanted to watch.

we turn onto Eishenhower Pky and cruise at about 25mph so we can catch the next light. i honestly knew i was going to roast him, but wasn't sure by much. i am really against street racing, but i had to let him know what kinda power the 305 can make.

roll up to the light and wait for the green. (i recently blew up the locker in the car and so i was running my open differential till i can get my fathers tools to put the new eaton posi unit in the car. so i was one-tire-firin' it to boot.) he brings the rpms up so i figured i'd get up on my converter some. i bring it up to about 1800rpms. light turns green, he drops the hammer and dumps the clutch, i roll into the gas trying not to spin too much, but it was innevitable with my street tires, 4.10's and an open diff, i spin to the top of second and he's pulling in front! i let off the gas a little to allow the tires to grab, as soon as they do, i am back into it and pass him with ease, showing him my taillights.

we come up to the next light, "hey bro, you want some more?" i ask, "absolutely!" he replies. this time, he is way up in the rpms before he dumps. i just kinda ease into the gas this time still kinda wagging the back of the car, but not as much spin as last time. he spins hard, and i put 3 lengths on him by the top of second and shut down. the third time was about like the second.

all in all it was a fun night. i left the tranny in OD the whole time and allowed it to shift itself at 4900. the shift point of the motor is 5500 and had i shifted it manually, i'd have really embarassed him. anyway, i thought i'd share.

 

well with 4.10s! very nice

 

sweet, i know some kid with a 84 5.0 mustang that wants to race me... i think i have a chance but the later 5.0 they can go but this old of one i think i can take... good kill !

 

Nice kill man. Unless he was running some ET Streets, Nittos or DR,s he should have eased out of his clutch..people may say that is dumb but its given me tons and tons of 2.1 60fts and even one 2.08! Never dump the lcutch on Street tires, unless you are going for a big burnout.

Nice kill. You had him anyways. Now if he had 3.73 or 4.10 gears, you would have most likely seen taillights. Right now his car is about a mid to low 14's car. Gers should throw him into the mid to high 13's easily. BTW, was he running an OR H-pipe? Or just like a cat back? just curious, only exhaust worth anything is an H pipe.

as for the early 5.0's, they are slow but I doubt your LO3 can take it. They can run a mid to low 15. Their main weakness is lame heads and cam. They also dont have the potential the 5.0 HO has. One thing that always cracks me up is when people take the 5.0 HO, take the FI off and put a carb with like an RPM Air Gap on it and get SLOWER! The main advantage of the 5.0 HO is its FI setup! BTW, thats from personal experience


Good kill man, keep that 305 going...as for me, Im heading towards 350 land

 

oh, i doubt with gears he'd have me, i'm a full second faster than him in the 1/8.

my car also had a bad tune on my 8.65/13.70 pass. i know my car has potential to run 13.3's as it sits now. just broke the locker before i had an opportunity to play any more.

i don't think he had an h-pipe.

oh, and i may have 4.10's, but i'm also running a 28" tall tire. but it's like having 3.73's with 26" tires.

 

which 305 did your car come with nova??

 

my car came with the lb8 v6.

my 305 is FAR from stock:

1985 lg4 block .030 over: 310ci
stock cast crank .010 under
OHIO Crankshaft forged rods
9.5:1 hyper replacement pistons with moly rings
stock 416 heads with a fresh valve job
holley street dominator intake
crane blue racer cam .442/.465 214*/224*
crane energizer aluminum roller rockers 1.5:1
hedman longtube headers with true duals w/ h-pipe

10" ati converter w/ 2500rpm stall speed
Domestic Performance 700r4 w/ transgo shiftkit
4.10's

this isn't your average 305...and it wants more cam and some head work. with that, i'll be in the LOW 13's HIGH 12's.

 

what? a Chevy beating a Ford? thats not possible

J/K good run man! way to show that Stang some Camaro taillights. wish my LG4 ran like yours
your cam specs look good for your motor, looks like you need to open those heads up a bit. youd see some awesome gains with a little port work

 

you think with just head work?

i also want to go to a 650dp over my tired 600vs.

 

im not sure what the "416" casting is, but if those are the stock untouched LG4 heads, then YES! they are definately holding your combo back

and if your cam specs of 214/224 are at .050 lift, i think thats plenty for your given displacement

for a N/A engine, power is made or broken by the cylinder heads. open them up and watch your E/T drop

 

416's were used on lg4's and l69's. they are known as the "305 HO" heads and are decent in stock form. not like the lo3 crap swirl port heads. i know that they will work better with port work. i just need to get the cash up to get them worked.

the cam is at .050. i think that it would like something in the 230* range though once i get the heads done.

edit: for reference, i'm looking at the comp cams xe274 cam right now.

 

Sounds like he really needs to work on driving. Your car ran 13.7, and with all the reasons you gave for it to be slow (one legger, spinning till 2nd, letting of, shifting 600 RPM less) sounds like you were on a mid 14 second run at best. His car should have easily been low 14s if he knows what he is doing behind the wheel! Nice kill, just time for him to learn the car...

 

He could have a tired car. My buddy has a 89 LX with the 5.0 HO and he can only get a 14.7 out of it. And he knows how to drive. The car has just be used and abused to the point where it isn't as fast as it once was. It still beats my 305 though.

 

Whoa!!! IROC-Z28_CAMARO-an occurance of Gm's stupidity, in stock form my RS has a good chance of beating your Iroc in stock form

 

not really sure why my run would have been a mid 14 second pass. the 13.7 was made w/ 4900 rpm shifts as well. the timing was way retarded at the track and i wasn't able to make any more passes with the timing advanced. with the timing advanced, it likes to pull till 5500 rpm, but with it retarded like it was, the car would go no faster with me manually shifting it. my 8.65 1/8 mile time is good for 13.5's. i say i was probably on a 13.8/9 pass when i ran him. there is no reason my car shouldn't run some 13.4/3's next time i'm out. simply put, my car makes more power than his.

 

Yea it probally does. I love third gens but they just came with some of the crapiest motors ever built. Why would GM ever put a lo3 engine in a car like mine which was supposed to be the hot model. I have big changes coming soon hopefully. A 383 pushing 500 n/a an well into the 600's on the spray.

 

Good to here your plannig a build-up! It's unfair that you could get charged for an L03-auto equipped Iroc just for the name, when they have the fully loaded RS with the same engine and a 5-speed for thousands cheaper (this is talking about buying the car new)

 

MW66nova, I think it's time for you to hang up you're carburetor. I'd love to see you're 310 go fuel injection, especially with an LT1 intake conversion (oooh, feel those goosebumps rise)...

 

Just the way you kept telling us what was wrong with your car on the run, causing it to be handicapped. I assumed you used your best shift points on your fastest pass, but I guess it wasnt that slow! And yes your car does mkae more power, and good luck on the low 13s!

 

hehe, and i suppose your paying for that?

if someone donated some money for me to go fuel injection, i'd start intake hunting tomorrow. but money is REALLY tight and i just can't justify it. i am also in the process of buying a new body cause this one is REALLY rusty.

 

Sure, why not....

Seriously though, fuel injection is calling you. If you're looking to do the body next, try to find yourself a salvaged LB9 or L98... and kill two birds with one stone.

Not that you'll run any faster with the stock TPI set-up, cuz you'll actually run slower... but at least it will provide the platform for the LT1 intake, and/or a Stealthram in the future.

 

i have seriously considered running fuel injection. i wouldn't waste my time with stock tpi though. anyone got an ecm and complete wiring harness they want to sell cheap? i can pick up a converted lt1 intake and start from there!

oh, and i've already found the body, a straight 1990 rs with a blown up 3.1 for $300. once i get it to the house, it'll be only a matter of weeks before the 3.1 is pulled, the gfx and front/rear bumper covers have been sold and a 310 powered 1990 sportcoupe will emerge from the rubble of my swap frenzy!

yes, you read right, i am converting an rs into a sport coupe...not big on gfx.

 

I didn't know you already got yourself a donor, that's good news. But the reason why I stated to find yourself a salvaged LB9 or L98, was to get you're hands on both the parts.... and the ECM and wiring.

The stock TPI, although can be made to run great... can only rev so high. But it would enable you to run you're car, learn fuel injection, while preparing for you're intake swap later on...

Ground effects? We don't need no stinking ground effects! You like that sleeper look, don't you? Good luck with it!

 

yeah, i really like the sleeper look. but this car won't have any rust issues, so i can go and actually get it painted. it will be white, and it will look DAMN good! i want to have one of the baddest cars in town without looking too fast, but be fast...know what i mean? i don't want people to look at my car and say it looks red neck without gfx. instead, i want them to think: "wow, that has incredibly sexy/muscle car stance too it" i also want them to think "wow, that's clean" but i don't want it to look too fast, cause then i won't ever get a race. so i'm sticking with stock wheels for my street tires.

i see what you're saying now about the lb9/l98 car, i just didn't follow you at first. well, i'll keep my eyes peeled for good deals. and if you see anything for cheap (and i mean CHEAP! lol!) then let me know!

 

I know exactly what you mean. There is nothing better than seeing the face of one's victim... especially when the victim didn't even see it coming. It's even sweeter when the other guy is running a Viper.

Ohh, if only you lived here by me. There are junkyards everywhere in New Jersey, and there are even places about 45 minutes from my house located in Queens and Brooklyn (New York) that only deal in salvaged/wrecked cars that are still in-tact.

I had my eye on this one 86 Buick T-Type over in New York, in which the drivetrain was completely in-tact (ran perfect). They wanted $1400.00 for the entire car, no title, nor any wheels and tires (54,000 miles). I was only considering the engine and tranny for my Trans Am, but for anyone converting a stock 81-87 Regal to replicate a Grand National... it would be the perfect donor.

I wasn't fast enough though, and the car sold for an even $1000.00. There are so many Third Generation F-Body's lying around over here collecting dust.... mainly because today's youth (over here, especially) have absolutely no interest in them.

But hey, that's even better for us. The more F-Body's available, the merry'er!

 

Lol MW66 is oging the opposite way I am. Im getting rid of my SC body and getting a GFX car, because I love the look, especially the 91-92's. I always though Id liek the SC body but after owning a GFX car, I have come to despise it. So now Im starting all over again. Basically gave my 305 away but Im getting a good running 4 bolt main 350 out of the deal so Im happy. Now I want to find me a good rolling chassis like MW66 did because the V6's are suppsoedly cheap (not around here ) and I personally have no interest in its current drivetrain. Ive already got a TH350 rebuilt w/shift kit and 2400 Stall to back behind my stout 350 combo Im building and hope to hit good solid 12's out of this car N/A and maybe hit 11's on the happy gas

Either way good luck MW66Nova and maybe I need to rol through Macon, GA one time and give a good old ThirdGen race a shot

 

bring it on...

check the south east regional board, there is a guy that has an 89 rs on there for sale in fl. asking $300.