My dad has a mint condition 340 Duster that's pretty quick. But the thing that bothers me is he's always talkin **** about my camaro. He tells me that I'll be lucky to get into the 16's, and that he could beat me by two full seconds.

So I finally challenged him to a race! Now I know I'm gonna lose, but my goal here is just to earn some respect. I'm pretty confident my car car can get into the low 15's maybe even the high 14's, if I'm lucky.

My mods are in the sig.

So what do you guys think? How badly will I get beat? The Duster is COMPLETELY bone stock, it's an automatic, and it has open 3.23 gears.

 

I dont see 14's for you anywhere. You'll run mid 15's maybe some low 15's. As for the Duster its hard to tell but the open Diff is killing him. Mostl ikely the duster iwll run high 14's and you'll run low 15's....he'll most likely win but not by much....Ive seen 340 Dusters run mid 14's to mid 16's so you never know.

 

about your times. I don't see 14s anywhere either. Actually, you probably won't even get low 15s since you're still running a completely stock exhaust (from what I can tell in your sig). Those 2.25" pipes and stock manifolds are killing you.

EDIT: Hmm I see you have a high-flow cat and flowmaster muffler. Did you retain the 2 1/4" piping or did you upgrade to 2 3/4" or 3"? Those 3.73s aren't going to make things pretty with your current power band. Get some headers and you'll be a bit happier. 3.73s like higher RPMs (well just because you'll get to the higher RPMs quicker), and stock manifolds don't like high RPM stuff. My stock 305 TPI had nothing over 4500-4700RPM with a cat-back and other stuff, but now that I have headers on, it pulls to 5700RPM (highest I've taken it).

 

Yeah I know 14's are probably out of the question (although I think headers will get me there). I just said maybe because I've seen board members with LO3's and less mods then my car run close to 15 flat.

I still have the 2.25" piping, but that's gonna change when I get my headers.

I've done a fair bit of weight reduction too. Hopefully by the time we race I'll have headers, 1.6rr, LCA's, Tokico HP's (if that matters), and maybe even a light flywheel to compliment my aluminum DS, and aluminum brake drums.

Another thing to consider:

My dad has years of racing experience and I have none. This will be my first trip to the track.

 

As far as power goes your car is basically stock. The custom chip could be slowing you down as well if it was a mail order deal.

I think you are going to lose to the old man on this one.

 

I dont think so.. well i hope not...
But then agian i have about the same mods on my LG4 and i think i am Quick and i get raped all the time.



Wow.. I JUST looked pretty stuiped.

 

You sure did

 

Well I expect to lose. But like I said, I just wanna earn some respect. He thinks my car runs 17's!

 

Its all in Fun..

 

What year is the Duster? At any rate, you dont have a chance. A 70 or 71 will run a low 14 and Ive know of 2 to break into the 13's on good tires. The 72-73's dropped to 8.5:1 compresion and changed the cam....those are in the high 14-low 15 neighborhood. Also, if it is a real 340 Duster, 99% of the time it will have a posi. You wouldnt happen to have the first seven digits of the VIN do you?

 

The Duster is about the same weight as your car, IIRC. A bigger engine and better induction. Youll need more than a chip I think. LO3s are cursed with the terrible swirl port heads. I hope you do win tho, thirdgens are so damn good looking and Mopars are not that reliable so maybe his car will break during the race

 

Stock TBI swirl ports flow more on the exhaust side than any TPI head. They make use of 100% of the intake flow unlike the TPI heads which only make use of about 80% of potential intake flow. They also have far more swirl (they are called swirl ports afterall) than TPI heads. Recent evidence has shown that TBI heads aren't that bad afterall. Both TPI and TBI heads have their flaws. In 100% stock form TBI heads are sometimes the better choice. That sounds like blashphlemy but it is the truth.

 

Too bad the intake side is terrible, thats why the exhaust takes advantage of all of it. TPIs are still faster.

 

dang sucks to know that our car is that heavy... how much do you think a 305 coupe weighs in at? w/ no t-top?

Kinda off topic..


Sorry.

 

shifty is a *** among this forum

 

3200-3300, not that heavy but a Duster looks like it would be a 3500 lb full-frame car. Since its a uni-body its lighter than it seems.

 

Shifty is the man, but for any performance gains neither head should be considered when there is such a great aftermarket for those things. None of that matters tho since the person in the original question has a pretty much stock LO3 and they are pretty much considered slow (15-17 second 1/4 mile car).

 

Would you mind being a little more clear with that idiotic statement? Do you have any experience with them? Have you ever owned one?

 

Shifty is not a ***. Calling him a *** is blasphemous.

However, Shifty is extremely knowledgeable in the L03. He knows pretty much everything and he doesn't have the "i'm better than you" attitude to go with it. That's what I like most about him. I've had about 1,000,000 questions about installing an LT1 Cam in my car and he has happily answered them all without getting frustrated or giving up.

He is one of the few people I would trust to work on my car if I knew him personally. He truly is an asset (sp) to this board. I say we declare today national Shifty today!

Thanks for your help man! I'm about 90% sure of what i'm doing for the LT1 cam thanks to you!

 

my car at best ran a 16.4 at the track thoug hthat was with some problems like missing a gear, stupid driver error and launching at too high of an rpm, and then once I did get traction the AFM started acting up so the car started bucking and stuff so yeah


and when I race a tbi camaro it's usually win some loose some usually not by much either way

and if I ever was able to get everything running right and had some better then 205 width tires on the back could prolly bust out a high 15 and if I toke on the pipe a little might get a mid 15


so yeah better then what he thinkgs with 17's I would assume but the old man should still rape ya

 

AWWwwWWw shiftey... dosn't that make you fill warm and tingly inside?

3200 thats .....dang.......Heavy..... gonna but her on a lil diet.... no more eatting ****.. sorry for the corney joke.

i hope you have luck w/ your pops tho john.. if not who cares you are at the track w/ your dad.

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**** <------Ri*e

 

Hey Rx7 .. was your old camaro slower than the car you have now?

 

depends on when you are talking about


towords the time I sold it no the thing was not all that fast.

305 from a truck and 4.11 gearing didn't go that well together after many miles of driving and a TH350... maybe at best low 16 I would assume

but it has had quite a few other motors in it between the parents and I and at some points it was fast

 

Yes I own one now and I just gave one away for free cause it broke all the time. Not only that I was kidding to make my response that more light-hearted. Lighten up man.

 

Thanks for the kind words fella's. I learned all this stuff by picking up my tools and going to town on my car. I had to ask a trillion questions myself and that is why I welcome all questions. It is no fun having your car apart with no answers no matter how trivial they may be.

 

Thats why it rules that you did all the work and suffering first so we can ask you about it

 

And shifty also respects the LT1, something that seems to be lacking in pretty much the entire automotive world

As to the original poster, you better get some N20 if you wanna beat your dad. If that thing is pre 1974 you're going to have some trouble. Even the later ones will prolly still kill you.

 

You should have made this one a poll:

Here's my vote...he's gonna "Dust-ya"

 

LOL Lo-tec, I want my two dollars!!!!!!

 

Actually, that would have to be 70-73. In 1974, 360's were installed in place of the 340's. The 340 was made from 1968 to 1973. A stock 360 A-body will normally run a high-14/low-15. Either way, I think hes gonna get you.

 

Since it's pretty much assumed you're gonna lose on e.t., might as well try and beat him to the line. Red light hard by leaving on the first yellow. If you catch him sleeping you might be able to be the first to finish (although with a slower e.t.). Good luck, and be sure and post the results when it's over.

 

So basically.....cheat like a 16 year old kid driving a Honda??? If theres any doubt....be a man and race. If you lose, call it a day. If you win, good for you. But dont cheat. Because if you cheat and win, it is you that looks like the idiot...not the guy that lost the race.

 

Red light=lose
LO3 vs duster=LO3 lose
Beating dad to the line=priceless

there's no way he's going to win, why not make dad crap his shorts by treeing him (even if with a red light). The true winner will be timeslips, and we know whose will be quicker.

If I were racing my dad, and facing these odds, I'd redlight hard just to try and beat him to the line so that for the time it takes to drive down the return lane he'd have to think hard about how much **** he'd talked about my camaro. That is, until he got back to the tower and got his slip.