Last night I was coming home from work around 12:30am and I saw a golf driving along next to me. We stopped side by side at a red light, he revs and it sounded like he had some work done. I rev back, and we go. Immediately he starts walking away from me, and then I noticed the dual exhaust and the R32 badge. Wasn't much of a race, pulled into a texaco station to talk to him. He said he ran a 14.1 stock, and with some chipping and tuning and exhaust he was pulling 13.2 Not a fan of Volkswagon, but, hats off to this car. AWD and turbos make for a wicked quarter mile machine. Great race. Hope to get to the track next week to post some of my own numbers, but it looks like t-storms are gonna be all over the philadelphia area.

 

i thought the R32 was just a ballsy V6 and not turbo'd but they are quick. i want to find one to run against

 

the r32 is not turbocharged. it is naturaly aspirated. 240hp. 14.1@99mph.5.8 0-60. it wieghs 3330lbs.

 

it isn't turboed???? hmm, I could have sworn it was. i guess thats why i didn't hear a blow off valve. hm, sorry for the mis-information

 

They're ok...certainly WAY overpriced IMO

 

the VR6 is N/A however they do make supercharger kits for them from factory to make them even quicker then they should be

 

Yeah all these cars are definitely way overpriced. My friend just bought a 2005 subaru wrx. $42,000 Canadian. He could have had a nice used viper or corvette for that kind of money. We went out and raced three times and I beat him all times with my $4,700 Canadian car. He probably went home and cried

 

Since when can you buy a used Viper for the price of a WRX?

Or rather, would you even want the Viper/Vette you could buy for the price of a WRX? I don't think I would.

 

I just said, it was $42,000 canadian. It wouldn't be hard to find a decent viper/vette for that. Obviously not a new one. You could atleast find a nice vette for that much money.

 

At least a C5 though right? I wouldn't want a C4.

 

those LT1/LT4 C4 vettes are hard to beat tho. those things handle nice and are easy to mod to go quick just like the C5's. not to mention the C4 ZR1 cars...

although the C5 looks best, both are sweet cars

 

From what I understood, it takes some work for the C4 to handle like the C5 (or maybe it was just to do it as comfortably). Anyway, I've thought about buying a Vette, and came to the conclusion that the only way I"d buy a C4 was to make it a sleeper drag car. Otherwise, I'd just go pick up a C5 or C6.

 

Im sure Vettes do well in those Canadian winters to huh?

The $5000 old Fbody vs the $30,000 new VW is not the way to compare price. Anyone can build a cheap fast car, some like to have all the nice appointments and warrenties with them, and thats why they spend more than just a shell and a motor!

 

I really think that all the people I see saying that cars are over priced (when they can't afford them anyway, lol) have just never really been in a nice car before and don't understand that you pay for more than just horsepower. If all you paid for was horsepower, then every exotic ever made would be over priced.

 

Actually I can afford one and I've been in one. I don't see what all the hype is about them. Correct me if I'm wrong but isn't the R32 package like a $5-6K add on to the GTI price?

No thanks. Nice car but I'd certainly spend $28K on a different car.

EDIT: I'd venture to say I've been in as many if not more nice cars than you have. Watch your retarded blanket statements. I just don't see the hype of the R32, it's a nice, quick car but not for me and certainly not for the price tag.

 

I'm not calling any one poor or anything by the way. Now that you said that though, what would you get for $28,000?

EDIT TO ANSWER OTHER EDIT: I was a lot tech at a Chevy/Cadillac/Chrysler/Used Cars dealership for over a year, then sold used cars for about 5 months after that. I've been in many nice cars myself. *shrug*

 

Yes, yes you did

Honestly, I don't know. Then again I'm not one for buying new cars so I'm biased. I work in the car industry and cringe at the sight of seeing just about every new car crash and burn in the resale value.

So to answer your question, I don't really know...it just wouldn't be a R32

 

But my dad can beat up your dad!

 

The reason I ask is that I will be starting a career here pretty soon and have been thinking about what kind of car I'd like to buy, and how much I want to spend. I'm not sure yet. There are very few domestics that appeal to me that aren't sports cars. So I was hoping you had some ideas that I might have forgoten about.

 

Hmmmm

What were you thinking about?

 

Well depending on what kind of money I'd be making I was thinking about an STi, but if I was making less I'd have to settle for a WRX, in which case I'd buy the wagon. I'd also like to check out the new Mazdaspeed Mazda 6. I think Mazda has turbo Miata out as well. I was also considering buying a used Saab 9-3 or 9-5. That would be a fun car to make faster even though it's not exactly sporty and wouldn't be impressive for handling (and if I did that I might as well just buy a drag car). Well, a Saab or Volvo would be a nice car to ride around in though. I really don't know. I think I'm fantasizing about making more money than I will actually start at though. I think I shouldn't have a problem making around $40,000/year to start though. I can't think of any domestics that hold my interest though. Maybe like a Cobra or LS-1 or something, but with those cars, I'd need a daily driver for winter.

 

I've driven my LS1 through winter and it wasn't that bad though we dont have the snow you guys get.

I'd LOVE to see what the Mazdaspeed 6 does...but like anything with the first year of production there will probably be flaws.

As much as I hate to say it the STi is probably your best bet if you're looking for performance. I do however like the new 9-3 and 9-5's

 

I was also thinking about just getting a Saab or something for daily driving, and actually building a motor for my Integra that'd be able to run 20 psi daily (not hard at all) because I love what a sleeper that car was.

P.S. I love Third Gens and race them every single day. I don't even know what the front of one looks like because they always beat me.

 

HAHAHA!

On another note, the C4 Grand Sport LT4s are real nice cars, imho, I wouldn't mind owning one.

 

ever think about a magnum r/t stu? or the new charger? not much a fan of the charger, but at least you'll be getting a pretty decent engine, and TCS to boot

 

I think if I was going to get a V8 it'd be in a sportier car with a better aftermarket.

 

The wrx is far from a nice car. the back is almost as cramped as a camaro. its just 4 door. The awd is nice, it handles great, but I still don't see the pricetag. I have a 2005 impala right now, interiors huge, its a nice car. and for 42,000 you could get the ss. Personally I like the look of the 300C, not sure how much those come out to.

 

I like the new 300C as well. I know the WRX isn't exactly a family car, but I don't have a family. I really would rather have an STi or EVO though.

 

i love the STI and the EVO, although i've heard that if you want a true rally bred car to go with the EVO. my buddy who owns an STI said he drove and EVO and that it just feels a little stiffer and handles better. for acceleration though, i'd stick with the STI just my 2 cents

 

The STi is faster (has a bigger motor in the US), the EVO is tighter and handles better, along with having a much larger (cheaper) aftermarket.

 

Its easy, if your looking at older model vipers.

 

For a first car I would stick to 20k or less. Trust me when I say proposed budgets and incomes aren't what you will calculate them to be. I make plenty of money but buying a new car is expensive. I ended up getting a bare bones new cavalier for $8500. I pay $160 a month and $125 a month for insurance. I have money left over to put into my project car that will never see the abuses rendered uppon daily drivers. Going to a $20k car would have put me around $350 a month and insurance on top of that. I already have dings, scratches and chips in my car and I have only put 9k miles on it. I would be hating myself if I got that GTO or G6. Lifes expenses will consume no less than half of your paycheck every month (after taxes mind you to make it even worse). If you have started a 401k and or IRA you will want to put even more money into that while you are young. This makes your take home even less. This doesn't leave you with much play money when it is all said and done. Now if you have a girlfriend, your situation just got worse. You are a young male with no dependents making 40k. Welcome to the highest tax bracket.

We are starting to get a bit off track here guys. I am just as at fault too. Lets try to get back on track.

 

Ok, R32's aren't bad..again good kill!

Stu, if you're dead set on a new(er) car why not check out an '04 leftover GTO..the dealers are cutting the prices BIG time on them

:waits for a slap upside the head from Shifty for keeping thread off track:

 

Nah your fine. I had to reply because I have been in my "career" for 7 months now. I drastically underestimated the cost of living. I live in a poor area too. It gets annoying making $300+ payments every month for a car. I even sold my '95 Z (which was only $177 /mo) so that I could keep more of my take home.

 

I'm facing that now on my Z. I hate car payments already

 

I'd only buy a new car if I could really afford it, otherwise I have NO problem with used. Now that I think about it, I can't think of any cars where you'd drop a 350 into. I hear about all kinds of cars with 5.0's in them, Miatas, RWD Volvo 240's. What is a common swap for a 350? Oh yeah, RX-7s. Anything else? Don't some people put them in Beetles?

 

Blazers, S10's, full size trucks, 80's montes, grand prixs and various olds can be the recipiant of any small block. If you want to get crazy you can upgrade an RWD impala (they come with an LT1) or a 350 Caprice car. There aren't many new platforms though can can have a small block swapped into them. Luckily GM's new high end cars are all getting a version of the LS2. So in a few years you can get a CTS-V, Impy SS, or pontiac GXP and make a 500hp monster with perfect street manors.

 

I'm so proud of Chevy.

 

dont forget the police interceptor caprices with the 4.3 liter LT1 motor. its a mini LT1 that can be made into a stout little motor i believe, although the 350 version is best for a big car like that

 

the 4.3 is an "l99", not lt1
they have a 3.75 bore and 3.00 stroke. almost a destroked 305.

 

Its still an Gen11 motor though. Or is that what you meant? It has the same heads and cam as the iron headed LT1 as well as the same intake as all other LT1's and is still reverse cooled. Since it is a different motor it has a different engine designation. Just like the LS1 was never in anything besides the GTO, F-bod, and vette. The Versions of it had other codes.

 

Don't forget about the type of life you might find yourself in. When you're married with 2 kids ... a Subaru STI is an awesome car. Snow? No problem. 2 kids? No problem. Safe? Absolutely (Front/Side Airbags, HUGE brakes, ABS, crumple zones, etc). There's more to a car then just power potential and depending on where you are in your life you will see what I am saying. My IROC ran mid 11's. I sold it for an STI ... and I'm totally happy with it. Hmmmmmmmm. I'm putting down over 300 to the wheels in a lighter car with awesome brakes and cornering ability ... and I can drive it year round ... and I can put both my kids in the back and rest assured I am driving a safe car. I would never have done that with the camaro. It sat in the garage more than I drived it. I'm slowly preparing it for the new turbo. All I need is injectors before I can buy a new turbo (I already have full exhaust, full engine management that I can tune on the fly by myself, full-time wideband O2 sensor, walbro fuel pump, etc). With a new turbo it will easily put down 350 to the wheels. Weak eh? lol.

Tim

 

Woah woah woah now that's crazy talk. There are no 'turns' on roads and if your wife doesn't enjoy climbing over the roll cage to get in the car she'd bloody well learn to like it.

 

traxion your car was a 11 sec N/A v8 car.... those arent the best streetable choice. you could have built a blown 355-383 and made a honest 450 at the wheels very reliably and very street friendly. forced induction cars always will be more reliable than N/A once the power levels increase

But that STI has its merits like you said, but snow? wouldnt anything with 350hp at the wheels go like crap in the snow? 4 wheel drive or not thats alot of power.

 

Now now TRAXION, don't forget that you wasted all that money one a car that only runs 13's when you could have just had a rusty titanic third gen in the 6's for $36,000.

 

oh my!
you guys are giving me quite the case of the giggles...

 

Friend of mine bought a 2002 VW GTI, turbo 1.8 and all the options, for a good price. His command told him to get rid of it - something to do with having too much debt against him and his clearance or some such nonsense. Nice car. Leather, power everything, and the most cramped engine bay I have ever seen! Decent amount of power, though, rode really nice.

Shame he couldn't 'afford' it. He was going on and on about how cool it was, showing it off, and everything, and then he drops this bombshell - "I have to take it back!" He was trying to start something with me the other day when I was in the TTA, but the wife said no, she's worried about him wrecking it before he took it back.

 

anyone know how quick the regular GTI VR6's are? my friend at work got one and knows i can beat him but i would like to know how they run just in case we ever run them. LOL

 

lol. 350hp doesn't go like crap in the snow unless it's either 2 wheel drive OR you don't realize that there is something called part throttle. rofl. n00b. You don't have 350hp until the foot is down ... otherwise it's a teddy bear.

t

 

ROFL.

Tim