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I found this video posted on a Mustang site. Its a 97 Tahoe vs a 305 Fbody. The outcome is kind of funny!
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Friends shouldn't let friends race TBI thirdgens. Its pathetic how slow they are compared to the current crop of sedans out there. Hell, a V6 Accord with the 6spd is a match for a good running stock L98.
The new Gran Prix is going to have 303hp from a 5.3L LS series V8!!!! Thats not fair!!!!!!!!!!!
The new Gran Prix is going to have 303hp from a 5.3L LS series V8!!!! Thats not fair!!!!!!!!!!!
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Hell, a V6 Accord with the 6spd is a match for a good running stock L98.
i raced a G35 with 280 hp and an auto in my L98 with headers/catback with 2.77 gears and 2800stall and beat the guy pretty good from a 40mph roll
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The Accord V6 6spds are running mid 14's at 95 to 98mph. Thats damn fast for what they are. Its also stock L98 territory.
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i raced a v6 stick car and it wasn`t nothing to me.it stayed at my bumper but that`s about it.but maybe the guy driving wasn`t that great a driver
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The Accord V6 6spds are running mid 14's at 95 to 98mph
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come on now nick, the L98 wasnt bad at all......
i think all the Iroc-z's should have got the turbo 3.8 in them LOL
i think all the Iroc-z's should have got the turbo 3.8 in them LOL
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Originally posted by Orr89RocZ
i think all the Iroc-z's should have got the turbo 3.8 in them LOL
i think all the Iroc-z's should have got the turbo 3.8 in them LOL
Hmmm, video makes me wanna go third-gen huntin lol
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That's pretty funny, and embarassing (for the IROC guy)
I have a 98 Tahoe...maybe I should go hunting for TBI IROCs, lol.
I have a 98 Tahoe...maybe I should go hunting for TBI IROCs, lol.
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lets face it boys. They should made LS series back in the 80s. Its pathetic what engines they threw in to our 3rdgens
lets face it boys. They should made LS series back in the 80s. Its pathetic what engines they threw in to our 3rdgens
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Originally posted by ShiftyCapone
When you look at the progression of engines and their power outputs these engines aren't bad at all. Every new generation small block since the late 70's would get about 100 hp more. With the emissions standards implemented in the 70's GM did a fine job with its small blocks. They had to reinvent the wheel with these motors in order to appease the EPA gods. They also had to make some amount of power. 20 years ago, 15 seconds at the strip was fast.
When you look at the progression of engines and their power outputs these engines aren't bad at all. Every new generation small block since the late 70's would get about 100 hp more. With the emissions standards implemented in the 70's GM did a fine job with its small blocks. They had to reinvent the wheel with these motors in order to appease the EPA gods. They also had to make some amount of power. 20 years ago, 15 seconds at the strip was fast.
L98 was awesome for its time. Still has *****. But i can list a ton of modern V6 that can hang or a beat a L98
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i dont know of many GM V6's other than the GTP/SS cars. those are pretty quick yet dont have the torque to hang with a L98 car.
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mustave been a crappy driver in the 3rdgen... i raced a friends Tahoe once in my old LG4 Z28 and beat him by 2 car lengths. he thought he was going to kill me cause his motor said "Vortec" on it... i guess he thought that meant his moms car had a supercharger on it
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I like the clear shot of the "Iroc"
anyway it didn't even break the tires loose lg4s can do that much
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Originally posted by nick418
lets face it boys. They should made LS series back in the 80s. Its pathetic what engines they threw in to our 3rdgens
lets face it boys. They should made LS series back in the 80s. Its pathetic what engines they threw in to our 3rdgens
maybe the TBI motors were bad
for performance .. they dont belong race track
however, the L98 qualifies and in my opinion
still does today.
My L98 makes great power.
a street light-to-street light scenario
is where L98 IROCs and GTAs prove thier worth.
TBI V8s and V6s had no performance value,
reliability was its strong point, a buddy of
mine had over 200,000 miles on a ole 91 firebird.
Im always delighted to see Chevys that come into the auto shop with more than 200k.
the TPI l98 established fuel injection performance
for chevys in 1985.
TPI was considered LS1 status then
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Big deal. For all we know, it had 190,000 miles and a open diff.
As far as the motor comments, what people don't understand is 14's was pretty fast in the 80's. Like today, LS1 fbodys go 13.5-13.0 and LS1 vettes go low 13's-high 12's. Now you say, "hey thats pretty fast".
Well in the 80's, when fbodys went high to mid 14's, and the vettes went low 14's, that was also "pretty fast" back then like the LS1's today.
You cannot expect an 18 year old motor to compete with new ones. The technology is just not going to be there. What you need to look at is that it has a SBC, with just as much potential as any other SBC.
As far as the motor comments, what people don't understand is 14's was pretty fast in the 80's. Like today, LS1 fbodys go 13.5-13.0 and LS1 vettes go low 13's-high 12's. Now you say, "hey thats pretty fast".
Well in the 80's, when fbodys went high to mid 14's, and the vettes went low 14's, that was also "pretty fast" back then like the LS1's today.
You cannot expect an 18 year old motor to compete with new ones. The technology is just not going to be there. What you need to look at is that it has a SBC, with just as much potential as any other SBC.
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Originally posted by TPI
maybe the TBI motors were bad
for performance .. they dont belong race track
however, the L98 qualifies and in my opinion
still does today.
My L98 makes great power.
a street light-to-street light scenario
is where L98 IROCs and GTAs prove thier worth.
TBI V8s and V6s had no performance value,
reliability was its strong point, a buddy of
mine had over 200,000 miles on a ole 91 firebird.
Im always delighted to see Chevys that come into the auto shop with more than 200k.
the TPI l98 established fuel injection performance
for chevys in 1985.
TPI was considered LS1 status then
maybe the TBI motors were bad
for performance .. they dont belong race track
however, the L98 qualifies and in my opinion
still does today.
My L98 makes great power.
a street light-to-street light scenario
is where L98 IROCs and GTAs prove thier worth.
TBI V8s and V6s had no performance value,
reliability was its strong point, a buddy of
mine had over 200,000 miles on a ole 91 firebird.
Im always delighted to see Chevys that come into the auto shop with more than 200k.
the TPI l98 established fuel injection performance
for chevys in 1985.
TPI was considered LS1 status then
I agree, i have my up and downs with TPI. One minute i love em. One min i say to myself wtf? Back in the days 14s was awesome and that was "FAST". Look at all the typical cars from the 80s, they prob were running 19s LOL. So you get a V8 that runs mid 14s, thats awesome. I agree, the L98 was like the LS1 of its time. But you have a stock L98 agianst a LS1. LS1 beats it in everything. But like stated, L98 is 20 yrs old and was old school Fuel Injection. I respect the L98, when i said Pathetic engines, i was mostly talkin about 305 TPI autos, 305 TBI and V6. There good running motors, but have no performance value. a L98 or a LB9 5 speed is a diff story tho. They still can compete with todays cars, but not V8s tho. Mostly V6 sedans.. yea it sucks.. But throw a good old supercharger on a L98 and she be in the high 12s ^_^
L98 is a awesome solid engine with pack of TQ. Needs some hp and better breathing thats all. I have two L98s. And i love em
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As far as the motor comments, what people don't understand is 14's was pretty fast in the 80's. Like today, LS1 fbodys go 13.5-13.0 and LS1 vettes go low 13's-high 12's. Now you say, "hey thats pretty fast".
LS1 is outdated!
Look at the LS2 and the other LS series! LOL now those are dipping down in the 12s and 11s!! now thats fast!lol
LS1 is outdated!
Look at the LS2 and the other LS series! LOL now those are dipping down in the 12s and 11s!! now thats fast!lol
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Originally posted by nick418
I agree, i have my up and downs with TPI. One minute i love em. One min i say to myself wtf? Back in the days 14s was awesome and that was "FAST". Look at all the typical cars from the 80s, they prob were running 19s LOL. So you get a V8 that runs mid 14s, thats awesome. I agree, the L98 was like the LS1 of its time. But you have a stock L98 agianst a LS1. LS1 beats it in everything. But like stated, L98 is 20 yrs old and was old school Fuel Injection. I respect the L98, when i said Pathetic engines, i was mostly talkin about 305 TPI autos, 305 TBI and V6. There good running motors, but have no performance value. a L98 or a LB9 5 speed is a diff story tho. They still can compete with todays cars, but not V8s tho. Mostly V6 sedans.. yea it sucks.. But throw a good old supercharger on a L98 and she be in the high 12s ^_^
L98 is a awesome solid engine with pack of TQ. Needs some hp and better breathing thats all. I have two L98s. And i love em
I agree, i have my up and downs with TPI. One minute i love em. One min i say to myself wtf? Back in the days 14s was awesome and that was "FAST". Look at all the typical cars from the 80s, they prob were running 19s LOL. So you get a V8 that runs mid 14s, thats awesome. I agree, the L98 was like the LS1 of its time. But you have a stock L98 agianst a LS1. LS1 beats it in everything. But like stated, L98 is 20 yrs old and was old school Fuel Injection. I respect the L98, when i said Pathetic engines, i was mostly talkin about 305 TPI autos, 305 TBI and V6. There good running motors, but have no performance value. a L98 or a LB9 5 speed is a diff story tho. They still can compete with todays cars, but not V8s tho. Mostly V6 sedans.. yea it sucks.. But throw a good old supercharger on a L98 and she be in the high 12s ^_^
L98 is a awesome solid engine with pack of TQ. Needs some hp and better breathing thats all. I have two L98s. And i love em
People have achieved 12.8s-13.0s naturally aspirated.
personally, I believe you gotta squeeze as much out of the
LTR TPI system as you can...
after you hit that wall, then start to expand.
TPI is great for street/strip.
untop of decent gas mileage
Invest a couple hundred dollars in suspension
to get all that L98 torque on the ground.
I was in a 88 Iroc, TPI equipped, mild engine work .. with aluminum L98 heads. Full rear suspension upgrades, gutted A/C (AIR) system, manuel S10 steering box, tubular A-arms with some nice street-legal slicks.
talk about a dramatic improvement
of course this conversation was about Stock vs. Stock
but I had to add that you dont really need Forced Induction to make a TPI car move (unless its a 305 ..heh)
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Even it was an iroc, you have to remeber you have the L03 Iroc's the LB9 Autos and the poser camaros as well, the guy down the block just sold his RS as an iroc, feel bad to whoever bought it, he spent 200 bucks on pinstriping and raped an old junked iroc for badges, didn't mod the suspension, kept the the L03 and the Auto. Made an extra 2K off the sale
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Well, Tahoes aren't slow. My parents have a 98' and from about 30 to 70 those things will roll.
As for the 350 TPI, it still kicks *** on the roads. The only cars around here that give it a run for it's money are suby wrx's.
Plus, half the time you can smoke your tires so hard on your launch if your not careful, that the guy that pulled next to you at the light just quites.
330 ft lbs of tq
As for the 350 TPI, it still kicks *** on the roads. The only cars around here that give it a run for it's money are suby wrx's.
Plus, half the time you can smoke your tires so hard on your launch if your not careful, that the guy that pulled next to you at the light just quites.
330 ft lbs of tq
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