yep the topic says it i caught a light with a mid 80s rag top stanger and let him have it. He left the light hard and i let him get two cars then hammered it and flew past him like he wasnt moving must have been like a high 15 sec car.But anyways onto the neon. a few lights down i catch a light with a SRT 4. we go off the light and both hammer it at the same time. i pull a car and half and stayed there until about 80mph then he pulled me back in and passed me at about 95mph he didnt pull bad but enough to beat me at 100mph he had a car i dont think it was stock because the blow off was loud as hell but i had no idea those cars were that qwik guess ill think again before racin one of those things

 

I've seen plenty of stock SRT-4's trapping 100+. They are quick little cars no doubt. Around here the owners are usually morons though. There's one guy that everytime he sees me, which happens to be going the other direction, always has to blow the BOV next to me while giving me the tough guy glare. It's like WTF??? They are fast but at the end of the day, it's still a Neon.

 

They are really fast cars. They should run with stock LT1's. Its too bad they have four doors and sit sorta high.

 

A BOV won't make the car any faster. I heard that four doors make cars a little more rigid, thus why Subaru made their WRX with four doors. Any one know anything about that?

 

so what, at the end of the day we still drive thirdgens. Sure I love thirdgens, but others dont. Fast is Fast right? Nice runs!

 

True That! I was just adding that ever popular comment from every racing board on the net, hence the smilie at the end. I still believe the general consensus would favor a Camaro over a Neon.

 

they have cool names..."neon". blu next time hes coming toward u give him a lil swerve into his lane and see what his reaction is. u know like Formula one cars? how when theres a caution out or something and their all doing little "S" patterns ? i was doing that one day staying perfectly in my lane screwing around and the van coming down in the oncoming lane, pulled over and stopped haha it was kinda funny. AND NO I WASNT BEING DANGEROUS

 

You gotta watch those SRT Neons.I could be wrong but i think i read somewhere that thier a mid 13 second car stock.

 

The SRT4 is a fairly lightweight car making 230HP and 250lb-ft of torque. For about $300 the Stage 1 upgrade from Mopar gives you 240HP & 260T. For about $1000 Stage 2 gets you 280HP & 300T. The big grins come with Stage 3 - up to 355HP & 365T....and you do not have to beef the internals of the engine. That turbo 2.4L 4 banger can reliably handle 500HP with proper fuel mapping.

 

that is truly impressive

 

stock they'll run about a 14.2-.3 at about 100 MPH. They're decently quick cars for what they are.

 

They seem to be hard to drive, because I've seen similar times where I live out of stock cars.

 

i will race and kill any neon ! i hate them car's hell i think we should have a neon bash night were we all get to gether and trash any and all neon's with or car's than a hammer! i mean come on 4 doors, 4 cyl, 4 hp, retail value $4. and lets see every time you change the oil u need to put a new head gasket on them. 2 kinds of people drive them F a g s and girls. i see them riding around town with rear spoiler that are 12 feet high! oh and your got to love the 1/4 '' pipe going into a 6'' muffler ! the only time i like seeing neons is in the bone yard where thay are right at homo....i mean home . can you tell i don't like them lil junkers!

 

hahahahahaha

 

Says the high school kid who drives some piece of ****, junk box Camaro.....

 

True, maybe I've just seen bad drivers. They should run about .4 or so faster down here. Saw a brand new '05 Stang puttin down 14.6's at the track the other night

Anyone who underestimates these little skittles though might be in for a hurting.

 

yeah ok ? .....LoL

 

Average drivers are able to get low 14's out of both the SRT-4 and the 05 stang. Nice time you're getting out of the 305 denis.

 

thats because the 5.0 is a 80s smogger POS, and the neon is faster then stock L98s.. lol

 

The 3rd gen f-body may have the lowest retail value of any car on the road. This truly was a dumb statement.

 

how can you say thay have the lowest retail value? You are wrong there!

 

yeah 3rd gen fbodys are bit cheap nowadays


anyway my friend has a srt with some mods i am unsure of. i know it has a downpipe and some tuning, cuz he runs 13.7s all day with a best of a 13.6x at 104mph.

i want to run him soon. it will be close for a while and he should pull me up top

 

ok. heres the facts:


neon: new car.- to 99.99999999999% of the US population, its worth more then any 1990 camaro RS.


hell, theres a large amount of people that would take the ragtop mustang over the camaro... just because its a convertible.




sure, MOST thirdgens are worth more then say.... a 1993 toyota tercel...


but then again, i got my perfect body, minimal faded paint, runs great 92 camaro RS for less then the 93 tercel i have. lol

 

I'd put the Third Gen about equal with a '93 Tercel with good miles actually. Well, the average third gen, not a mint one. I think I'm just used to driving by the about 20 around town that are up on blocks that I can think of.

 

let me just say that in 30 years whos car is going to be worth me your neon? or my Camaro?

 

neither theyre both throw away cars.

 

stu what u driving right now

 

Exactly!


I'm driving a 1990 Accord. Why'd you have to remind me?

 

well, that depends.

on one hand, theres the "rarity" of the SRT-4.... similar to the DSMs now.. or in domestic terms, the Typhoon or Cyclone... its a turbo car that can make respectable power with minimal mods... in a cheap car package... you know, like the muscle cars of yesteryear... back then, they didnt LOOK muscle-ish.. they looked like a grandmas car, and just happened to have a bigger motor underhood.

and then theres our thirdgens... from a power standpoint, its part of the lowpoint of fbody history.. honestly, the only thing going for it is the way it looks...and the motor that can be swapped in easily.. how many are going to look good in 30 years? whats parts availbilty going to be? thoes that do look good and run good, would be worth $$ to the right person.. thoes that look like ****, would be worth just that.


nither car would appeal to the mass population. only people that like that car.
so its a totally moot point.

 

lol sorry i didnt know!!!!! is it fassssst???

 

Of course it's not fast! That's the reason I bought it, so I wouldn't fall back into modding cars until I could afford it. It handles terrible too. I hate it, now stop reminding me that I have to drive it. At least I can get 380 miles out of one tank of gas.

Now let's get back on topic of how SRT-4's don't suck, and if you think the average Third Gen is a better car you're a sucker.

 

dont think ive ever seen an SRT-4....i know i havent ever been in 1

 

See the turbo?


Interior:

 

thanks for pics...i guess thats a cute little car

 

Stu's right. The SRT-4s are no joke. Here at Tulsa Raceway Park a black SRT-4 with just intake, full exhaust and bigger downpipe runs consistent 13.3-5s. That's pretty good for a 4 door. Heck that's pretty good for any car. Don't take them lightly.

~Roger

 

6 years ago my '90RS had 21k origonal miles (has 35k now) and had never seen a drop of rain in its life. It was showroom perfect and my insurance company appraised it for $4000 as its market worth. You are right though because I could have had a 150k mile sedan appraised for $3000. Just pick up the newspaper and look at the prices of 3rd gens. Then take 25% or more off of that to get an idea of what the final buying price would be. Then go to www.kbb.com and play around with the value calculators there. These cars have no value. A rare turbo neon will have more value in 30 years than a genericaly mass produced low budget sports car.

 

Yes indeed....and with the Stage 3 kit they'll run in the 11s at over 116mph. By the way, Stage 3 does include a larger turbo. But I've seen them run in the high 12s at California Dragway, and the conditions there are horrible, and those times are with the factory stock turbo even!

 

3rd gens are absolutely dirt cheap.. I bought my old '85 Z with a blown up tranny (no 2nd-4th) for 350 bucks plus the sh*tty head unit that was in the car.

Ran fine, and it still runs. Even dynoed 133 rwhp on a mustang dyno.. talk about amazing. almost 200k miles on the original LG4.

 

SRT-4s are very underestimated. The truth is I know a few guys runninf low 14s high 13s off the showroom. I didnt like them at first, but they are great cars. Fast cheap, easy to make fast. They are more or less the new age muscle car. Dog them if you want, you'll get yours one day!

As for the comparison, everyone will think different, but the average thirdgen is nothing. Even the average Mustang is nothing, I got a mint 25K mile 4cyl Mustang for next to nothing, yet the car could go out and win shows. Noone seems to hold much value to these cars unless they are prestine or rare!

 

i do like your mustang.....loll funny thing is i WAS looking for a fox body before i got my maro. but now i can say i am very happy with the camaro...very reliable, daily driver, with a good amount of power.

 

all cars from the 80s sucks vettes do most ferraris and lambos and everythin cept maybe some turbo g bodys and the cyclones and its brother and the tta but other than that most 80s cars suck. period end of story

 

Good point. I remember racing a Ferrari that was late 80's or early 90's and beating him. I think it was a 308 or something? Anyone have any idea?

 

Ok, whew...cant believe I missed this...where to begin.

First off, congrats on the win and sorry for the loss. The 'verts are of course heavier and like any 5.0, you never know if its a ragged out 15 second car or a mean *** 12 second or faster 5.0.....so good win...

Stroked1990RS...you are an idiot plain and simple. Go play with an SRT-4....you better be a bare minimum 13 second car to run with a Stage 2...a Stage 3 and you better be in the 12's...and deep in them. I watched a Stage 3 '04 Neon SRT-4 bust a 12.4 awhile back.....So i hope you are packing some HP...around 330+ to be exact. The "blowin head gaskets" ones you are referring to are the 96-98 model years and did blow them repeatedly. In 1999 Dodge fixed this along with a few other reliability issues. Those Neons are on a completely differant playing field than a SRT-4......Thats like comparing a 1984 Berlinetta Iron Duke to a 1991 Z28...and Stage 3 isl ike comparing to an L98 Z28.....Continue your ignorant train of thought and watch yourself get rolled up by a SRT-4 or a WRX STi like nothing.....then you'll realize what we mean. I used to think "all those 4 bangers suck"...then my old L69 Camaro got rolled up by a DSM hard as hell....and I researched them...and now Im a huge fan of the 1G DSM's, FD RX7's, and 4G63 Supras (96 bodystyle)....A bigger fan of DSM's because they can be had at a decent price and their potential is unreal....Plus the AWD leaves you not worrying about traction as much and more focus on beefing the motor up.

Anyways, Im curious to what you have to continually say about SRT-4's being worthless...they will hold their value longer than a ThirdGen sorry to say...because of their popularity....but I dont expect them to be highly valued cars...because that Neon label IS still there and much like the Fiero...the name is tarnished for eternity.

 

TBI92Camaro: You know that only one of the three cars you named as your favorites is actually a 4-cylinder right?


Also, my buddy has a Neon with the cork headgasket, that ran an 11.9 in Texas and has lived through about 3 seasons now on the stock gasket. Go figure eh?

 

well no one really knew the 60-70 muscle cars would be worth as much as they are today....and their prices are still rising... so who knows.

i know people who bought decent 70 chevelle SS 396's for like 2-3 grand back in like the early 80's. now that same car cant be had for less than 15 grand. probly more.

you can never know whats gonna happen

 

tbi i think i can turn 13 sec with my camaro ....i run mid 11s at new england dragway, all the time

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Shifty

 

Mid 11's, 13's? Which is it?

 

This thread has run its course. Why do all the SRT4 and WRX threads always get locked.

 

It was because there was always a mystique about the big powerful cars before the smog era. Intelligent investors could see it coming but no one thought it would be to the level that it is at now with Yenko Camaros selling for 100 grand+ Some people were VERY pleasantly surprised. The cars didn't find themselves with severely negative labels (beyond the Concerned Parent label of 'deathtrap' which made them even MORE cool) like thirdgens have. They were powerful cars for their time and were the most powerful American production cars made until this century's LS6 et al. There were many many things those cars had going for them while there is very little 80's cars in general except for the turbo Buicks and some various jap cars have going for them.