gatoRS92

a buddy of mine claims his car can destroy mine. here is a rundown of each car:

'92 Camaro RS, LO3, 700R4 (MY CAR)
-advanced timing
-dual snorkel air cleaner
-full 3'' Flowmaster exhaust
-mild shift kit

'93 Honda Civic Si hatch, 5-speed (FRIEND'S CAR)
-aftermarket exhaust
-cool air intake
-aftermarket shocks & springs

those are the only mods he will tell me, but I know for a fact he doesn't run with turbo or nitrous.

if we raced in the 1/4 mile, who would win? I am confident that I would kill him from a dig, although he claims he would leave me in the dust.

superGMman

I know that those civics wake up with a cold-air intake pretty well from experience. I think since your car is an auto you'd have more trouble than expected. Get a part to even out the field, I'm guessing he probably has more than he's saying. What kind of condition is you and the other guys car in?

rocluvr0013

Could go either way theyr both 12 y/o cars...

The SI is probably making 5 more horse with those mods... if that.

If you dont destroy him off the line then theres something hes not telling you about or your car runs crappy. However he'll probably pull on you. Those cars arent much unless theyr gutted or boosted. Run 'im and post the results. Id say it could go either way unfortunately.

I'd be Very surprised if he destroyed you... maybe pull slowly away...

stu

We've got ourselves a winner!

rx7speed

the honda always wins. even if it looses the honda still wins

84L69TA

Hondas are girls cars. Even if theres a guy driving it, its still a girls car! LOL!!!!

stu

Insert almost any convertable car here:

87TPI350KID

So the RSX, TL, hell even the RLs by acura are girl cars

I wouldn't be surprised if that SI blew him away.

84L69TA

You got it! Actually, they arent only girls cars...theyre complete dogs!

stu

Especially the NSX is a girl's car. Honda said, let's make a car that will embarass Ferrari and force ALL supercars to actually start every time in order to compete. Every mom will want one!

prOject-IrOc

you must put in to factor, the civic hatch weighs around 2,000lbs. period.

phoenix305

ha ha ha oh silly ignorant stu, the NSX IS the girl car of the exotic world. With its whopping 290 bhp it really does kill 500+bhp super cars i.e. murcielago, enzo, carrera GT, Bugatti veyron ( it has 1,001 bhp). yeah they don't stand a chance against a NSX .

90Formula305

whats the world coming to? When someone who drives a CAMARO, a muscle car thats been around for 40 years has to ask if he can beat a HONDA, a company that started making 15 horsepower cars because they were affordable to the general public....Wow I really hate the 80's.

87TPI350KID

Ive seen some NSX cars embarass high end car, still not worth the price imo. I don't think the cars Honda/Acura are making now are girly, wtf.

stu

Words can't express my frustration with you right now. Which of the cars that you mentioned was around in 1990 when the NSX was introduced? I have an idea, since you seem to have no idea what I'm talking about, go and research all the cars that were around in 1990, and what they could do. Give me a nice little report okay sport?



That Civic hatch weighs about 2,300 I think.

stu

Pretty wicked muscle car he must have. 195hp or something in a car that weighs 3400 lbs? I'm in complete awe!

rx7speed

early 90's hatch I think was around 2000-2300 depending on trim and options

stu

Right, depending on trim, and the Si is the heaviest.

rx7speed

true forgot about that

gatoRS92

My Camaro has 182,000 miles on it, and his Civic has 194,000 on it. Mine runs great, I've beaten a supercharged '94 Bonneville SSEi, an '01 Grand Prix GT, a couple late 90's V6 Mustangs, a 4.3 S10, a Miata, a Taurus SHO, an '84 Z28 H.O., and not to mention countless Neons, Civics, Focuses, and quite a few other cars. The only car I've lost to so far was a stock 5.0 foxbody Stang, and it was actually a close race. My Camaro runs GREAT for an LO3 with over 182k on the clock.

I'm almost positive that the only mods he has done to his Civic is the exhaust and intake and suspension. I'm almost positive that I can take him out.

superGMman

Do it

TraviZ

iTrader: (2)

one car i know off hand that had good power for the year was the cizetas of the years we are speaking, roughly 550bhp but weighed 3700ish lbs . would still blow a thirdgen away though :P

stu

You've got him. I'm 99% sure that his car sucks. Go beat him already.

rx7speed

http://www.fast-autos.net/cizeta/cizetamoroder.html

oohhhh awwwweee

8 camshafts 16 cylinders. it's like two v8's in one man.


looks a little weird but if one happened to fall in my lap I would easily take it


btw who the hell can afford to hang F1 style cars on their wall like pictures.... that is one lucky rich mother fricken bastard.
I want to know where he lives

rx7speed

it might just be me but it seems a few of those races are a little far fetched unless they all can't drive

superGMman

I don't like it when people talk about cars and then some guy starts talking about super cars, this isn't beverly hills noone cares!

rx7speed

I like that he brought that car up. even if I can't afford it it's still interesting to learn about other cars so hush

EDIT:and apparently someone cares for one him or he wouldn't have brought it up and then me for 2 cause I think it's neat
so once again hush

gatoRS92

I agree, I was suprised by some of them too, especially that I beat an SSEi. with the mods I've done to my Camaro, I'm guessing it comes up just short of 200 hp.

The Miata I raced was an older one, I really don't know much about them so I'm not sure if they are that quick or not, but we raced from a stop to about 80 or so and all he saw was my taillights the whole time. The S10 was the older early 90's longbed body style and was a 5-speed, which is a pretty quick truck. The Grand Prix I've raced quite a few times and I always edge him. I killed the SHO, but it looked pretty beat and worn out. The '84 Z28 H.O. was almost stock, when we raced he spun the tires off the line and never recovered, I had a car length lead on him the whole race.

The more I think about it, the more I think I could kill my friend's Civic. next time I see him, I'll be sure to set him straight

rx7whoreboy

stuff happens on the street so hey it's not that we can't believe you but I'm sure you understand

I beat a vette once and everyone called BS. it's not my fault if he stalls

jocww

wtf why u using the old name for, i thought it was dead

remember
ur a dick and so are you topaz boy
hahahhahahahahhahahaha

TBI92Camaro

You ran "close" with a fox body 5.0/5 speed? :rofl: he musta been worn out BADLY lol...my 228k mile shortblock geared and DR's only 89 LX ran consistant 9.0's/9.1's in the 1/8th and 9.3's/9.4's bone stock with massive exhaust leaks, blown shocks, and crap tires/clutch...go figure.

90Formula305

I was just making a statement to the namesake...dont be a turd.

phoenix305

uh try the lamborghini diablo, Porsche RUF CTR, Ferrari 348 TB, Ferrari F40, the list goes on and on. I can find you more if you want. all cars listed have 400+ bhp.

tpivette89

i beat a 00' SI Civic by about a length and a half in my bone stock 05' Sunfire 5speed to 70mph. he had at least a catback, dont know what else he had

if you cant take one down in your Camaro somethings wrong... so go race him already!!

stu

How much did they cost? This isn't rocket science.

stu

That was driver error on his part. Nice kill.

tpivette89

yeah sort of. he did blow the launch, but never gained an inch on me after that. even if we had launched dead even, he still wouldnt have beaten me

bone stock Ecotec Jbodies have run mid - high 15s with good drivers. thats right with an SI. it also helps that my car is a factory stripper with absolutely no options. in the dead of summer i got it to trap 88mph... not to bad for what it is

gatoRS92

OK guys, I raced my friend's Civic this morning, and much to my expectations I won. I killed him off the line, and had jumped out by more than a full car length lead by the time I hit 2nd gear. He never pulled on me, but he did keep up for a few seconds. I started widening the gap as we climbed past 60, and by the time I stopped at about 105 I had at least 8-10 car lengths on him.

He claims he could have kept up with me, but he "stopped trying" once we hit 70

25thmustang

I have to laugh, throwing around the Honda being a girl car stereotype...

Of ALL people to stereotype, thirdgen owners??????? What kind of stereotypes do you guys have?????? Seriousely think about it, thirdgen + stereotype = ??????

Anyway a car off the line isnt killing anyone, I saw a stock GSR put 2 cars on a modded Civic (a bunch more modded than the one you raced) by the end of an intersection and by 2nd had 3 cars on the Civic, and through 2nd into 3rd walked a couple more (I proceeded to pass the Civic after pulling into the intersection and giving chase).

He definately could have given up, my friend did that in his 03 GT and he wouldnt have lost more than a couple cars on me... On the losers side, why risk the car if you have already lost!

All in all nice kill, at least you went out and ran, unlike most stories here, and we can see the outcome! Now go out there and run some faster cars!

superGMman

nice.

stu

Told you. His mods give him about 3 hp to the wheels, plus he probably can't drive. Cars without torque are difficult to drive fast.

rocluvr0013

From a dig yeah...

Good kill btw

For a nearly 200k mile car it sounds like yours is running pretty well

ZQ8Dude

you'll beat the **** outa him then. my truck smokes V6s mustangs(all years) and ive yet to come across a honda civic that could stay with me through first gear. ive lost to several 5.0s...badly

honda civics are gutless wonders, i dont see how any person gets a thrill from speeding in it.....thats like parading a fat chick

stu

Nope, they're hard to drive fast in all respects. You have to keep the car in Vtec which means above 4400 rpm.

To the other guy, I had an Integra GSR (like the Civic Si but with a slightly larger motor) and I never, EVER, lost to a V6 Mustang or Camaro. I never even came close. I do remember being pulled on by a third gen with a 305. Well, it was an RS, those had the 305 right? Anyway, I thought it had a V6 and I was confused.

87TPI350KID

You gotta remember what some of those imports run as thier final gear ratio. Lack of torque = need for lager gear. Some run 4.10's plus which is hard not to spin off the line.

rx7speed

one car pulling 300lbs of torque using a 4.10 gear vs a car putting down 100lbs/ft of torque using a 4.10 gear





one thing that will lead to spin with a lot of imports is the lack of low end requiring them to rev up a lot higher causing them to shock the tires too hard and then they spin

stu

Not to mention the fact that most are front wheel drive so the weight transfers off the drive tires. Most "imports" that you guys are thinking of aren't the sporty edition ones, so they don't have LSD, but only an open differential. They'll just do all kinds of peg leg burn outs. That's a lot of why my car was so hard to control when I made it fast.

gatoRS92

Yeah, some people are quick to see my RS badge and figure that it's only a V6. Some people don't know that you could get a third-gen RS with a 305, although the LO3 still isn't very quick. I've raced around with a couple Integras before and they couldn't keep up, although I don't think they were GSR's, I'm pretty sure they were just the GS model.

stu

The reason I thought it was a V6 was because I knew that 4th gen Camaro RS's had the V6.

mrpopo573

My buddy did the RS third brake light mod, and whenever certain people are behind him they seem to want to mess with him more because of the general v6 package.

But yeah, a stock 305 still isn't much more, but I'm working on changing that for myself.