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Old 11-03-2006, 12:51 AM
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My 357 Vs. Chevy Turbo Diesel

I was coming home from my friends house tonight and at the light was a white newer chevy turbo diesel pickup truck, I accelerated normally when it turned green, he stayed back. He eventually picked up speed and got on my ***. I was kinda pissed off so I gunned it and got over in the right lane. He then accelerated next to me. I gunned it, he floored it. I heard his turbo winding up and I was already moving past him pretty quickly, I accelerated hard on him and we started slowing down at 110. I was about 8-10 car lengths ahead of him. The street I was on was really rural and it was 2 lane, I had my brights on when I was gunning it. The next stop light, we both stop. I put my shifter into 2nd (700r4) and when the light turned green I slowly pressed the gas down so I wouldnt loose traction (I have really bald tires). I put it into overdrive near 5500rpms at the end of 2nd gear. I pulled on him really hard, even after his turbo wound up he still couldnt catch up at all.

So far the two kills I have with my new engine are both turbos. A turbo Eagle Talon and now a Chevy turbo Diesel. I raced a 6.0 Gto the other day and he beat me, got about a car length and a half ahead of me by the time we hit 70.

So far im pretty happy with my car even though there is so much more room for improvement.
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Good for you man. I hate trucks that think they're fast because they have a stinkin turbo.

Yeah a turbo with about 2000 extra lbs!
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i raced a turbo ford the other night
Link> http://s100.photobucket.com/albums/m...100_1867-1.flv
i had to baby it off the line.

good kill though

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i raced a turbo ford the other night
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i had to baby it off the line.

good kill though
Damn dude, thats a very small amount of mods to be pulling that kind of power, im jealous. Nice kill yourself =]
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thanks.

what does yours run or do you know?
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thanks.

what does yours run or do you know?

No clue.. Today my car was being dog slow, a crossfire embarassed the crap out of me >.<

*hits head against desk*
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No clue.. Today my car was being dog slow, a crossfire embarassed the crap out of me >.<

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A crossfire has GREAT Low-end torque and can generally get out of the hole pretty well. I have driven a 180 HP Crossfire 305 and a 190 HP LB9 305. The crossfire would leave the LB9 looking at its tailights off the line.
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Yeah, found out why the car was being slow, choke wasnt opening.

Last night I was crusing in a 45, next to a new Charger R/T, cruising next to him going 50, I paced next to him for a good while, the oncomming traffic ended up clearing up and he gunned it *probably was nervous about cops*, I gunned it, I kept right next to him the whole time, then around 90mph I started pulling ahead of him about an inch every 2 seconds. We shut down when I was going about 110, his front end was at my wheel well.

I was happy with this kill, even though it was only by a foot or so. 31,000 dollar car up against my 1984 budget machine.
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I was happy with this kill, even though it was only by a foot or so. 31,000 dollar car up against my 1984 budget machine.

good kill man.
makes me wonder what i raced the other night. they had a white one pull me on the other side of 100, but he had a nice jump. even so he only put 1- 1/2 cars on me. from a dig i would have killed him. i think it was a SRT8 though. it had different groundFX and rims.
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Good for you man. I hate trucks that think they're fast because they have a stinkin turbo.

Yeah a turbo with about 2000 extra lbs!
It's a lil more weight then that buddy...



Congrats, you probably beat a 16-17 second truck. If it was chipped, more then likely high 14s. Either way, there's a damn good reason that 99% of diesel truck owners only mess with each other, other spark-plug powered trucks (like mine), or ricers...

I don't know why anybody would say good kill???
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I don't know why anybody would say good kill???
i hate how some guys just like to rain on other peoples parades. just let the guy feel good about beating him.
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Originally Posted by 3rdgenZ
i hate how some guys just like to rain on other peoples parades. just let the guy feel good about beating him.
What's next? "I pulled away from the school bus full of kids!!!"

"Nice man, nice. Good kill!"





I don't think so dude. Read my post, there's no BS in it, just the way it is...
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[quote=brodyscamaro;3131849]What's next? "I pulled away from the school bus full of kids!!!"

"Nice man, nice. Good kill!"

honestly dude, no one asked for your sarcasm. if you dont have anything nice to say, then dont say it at all.



"I don't think so dude. Read my post, there's no BS in it."


i didnt say there was. there's just no need to post reply's like those.
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Yeah so today, some neon tried racing me.

I laughed..


>.<
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Sorry but I have to agree that unless your racing a Turbo Diesel at the track... or has some obvious mods... what is the point?

I know they can be made to crazy power both HP and Trq, enough to rip a cars body to shreds.

But unless you are actually racing one that has been worked on... it's not a kill. It is more like you wasted your gas cause you thought it was actually WORTH racing a non modded TD...

Cause if you actually come across a truly modified one, you will know cause it will eat you alive.
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Sorry but I have to agree that unless your racing a Turbo Diesel at the track... or has some obvious mods... what is the point?

I know they can be made to crazy power both HP and Trq, enough to rip a cars body to shreds.

But unless you are actually racing one that has been worked on... it's not a kill. It is more like you wasted your gas cause you thought it was actually WORTH racing a non modded TD...

Cause if you actually come across a truly modified one, you will know cause it will eat you alive.

Yeah, I dont know much about those trucks at all. I assumed that they were considerably faster than that. Why is it that chips wake those engines up so much?
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because of boast my friend has a dodge td and he made 585hp and 800 to the wheels no fun to play with my car just gets dirty from all the black smoke when im trying to chase him
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diesels can make practicaly unlimited HP, they are limited only by reliability concerns for the engine/drivetrain. stock they have to worry about warranties.
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I've seen plenty make good numbers, it's good for towing and stuff but their rigs are still too heavy to go fast down the quarter.

I know of one that makes over 900 ft-lbs to the rear wheels, is 2wd, launches on slicks, and still runs a 13.5

Moddin diesels gets pricey quick.
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Originally Posted by WaaX
Yeah, I dont know much about those trucks at all. I assumed that they were considerably faster than that. Why is it that chips wake those engines up so much?
stock? LOL no way. They might get like 17-18 Sec range...

Chips and programmers work do well because it is not hard to get power out of a diesel at all.
Hell 1200-1600 bucks will see those things crush most 'street/strip' cars.

For what you spend on a Turbo or Super charger, and get that massive 150 Hp, they can get closer to 8-900 Hp and WELL over 1000ft Lbs...
But again they do that they have to have trans redone.

Hell a recent build I saw on Extreme 4X4 (I know I know its spike) and that is what I am getting back into (4X4)... They did a twin t Chevy 6.5L duramax that made high 800's Hp and 1300 and change Ft Lbs... is all I can say.... 4 high that thing and simply roast tires...
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stock? LOL no way. They might get like 17-18 Sec range...

Chips and programmers work do well because it is not hard to get power out of a diesel at all.
Hell 1200-1600 bucks will see those things crush most 'street/strip' cars.

For what you spend on a Turbo or Super charger, and get that massive 150 Hp, they can get closer to 8-900 Hp and WELL over 1000ft Lbs...
But again they do that they have to have trans redone.

Hell a recent build I saw on Extreme 4X4 (I know I know its spike) and that is what I am getting back into (4X4)... They did a twin t Chevy 6.5L duramax that made high 800's Hp and 1300 and change Ft Lbs... is all I can say.... 4 high that thing and simply roast tires...
Point one: That Gale Banks TT D-Max is a freaking joke. The numbers they pulled out of it aren't impressive at all, not to mention they aren't even rear-wheel numbers. Gale Banks is too concerned about the ozone layer to build high performance diesel ****. Point two, chips build a lot more power not just because it's a diesel. It's because they are computer controlled and they are boosted. Take all of todays technology and build yourself a NA diesel, lets see a re-program of the tune make an additional 600 ft-lbs of torque at the flywheel. It's just like with gassers, factory boosted applications tend to be easier to modify for big power gains. Point three, $1200 to $1600 and they won't crush most street/strip cars. Where I'm from street/strip cars go faster then high 14s down the quarter. You can only add so much more fuel until EGTs are too far out there and you need some air to cool it down. Aftermarket turbo setups are not cheap. You can spend $400 to $900 on computer modifications and get great gains but the tranny is going to be toast. You're looking at what, $4000-$5000 (w/o labor) for an ATS tranny??? What good is the TST module ($900) going to be for you if your truck isn't running after a few months and building the tranny to hold the power is going to cost you over $4000?

I raced a 2006 QC Dually Cummins at the track. He did 18.1 on the stock setting and 16.5 with his Quadzilla on the max setting. His truck had a manual tranny so that's working against him, but still.

Diesels are great, but with that much wieght it takes a ****-ton of power to move one down the track quickly. And building that much power is going to cost you coin from the front to the back of the truck...

I've raced dozens of diesels in my truck (off the bottle), and they all get stomped. BTW, my truck runs at the bottom of the bottom of the 15s on motor, it's not fast by any means...
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A friend of mine that owns a diesel performance shop has a Ram that makes close to 800hp/1500tq. It's pretty quick. Low 11s on the bottle.
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