So I got to see 1 of those new Vette's run away from me last night. We were drivin down the road and he goes past me and throws a rev, there are cars in front of me so I quick swoop in behind him. I knew this thing was mean stock, but he had slicks on it and numbers on the window like he was at the track recently. I just wanted to see it go so I start taggin along with him and he's chirppin gears almost every time he shifts. So we finnally get a light but I'm stuck behind him and he just hooked when it turned green, man did he leave me sittin there. Those things are wicked. It sounded as if it were a Ferrari. Now if I could only afford one of those motors to go in the Iroc, then I would have looks and lots of speed.

 

They run high 11s stock with traction problems. I hear they can run low 11s with slicks and computer work only. There is a guy on the monte ss board running 11.7 with one. His car is also at least 300 pounds heavier. New z06's dyno 470rwhp+ stock. They have something like 8-10% drivetrain loss or so I have heard. Its funny how you talked about the Ferrari because the F50 I think is the only one that can out run it in the 1/4? It is a really fast car for the money compared to all the import muscle.

 

they dyno between 440-460 it doesnt matter though, every engine is 505hp and all can perform the same. stock with slicks "ranger" has got 10.8@129 and an 11.1?@127 with street tires, stock.

 

Thats just sick!!! Those things are faster then most big blocks that drive on the street.

 

Get a 200 shot and show him what's up.

. . . once

 

GM High Performance Mag. did a shoot out between the Z06, Lamberghini (sp?) Gallardo and Ferrari (something). All cars bone stock and the Z06 outperformed all of them. That LS7 is definitely a beast! Well worth the $12,xxx crate engine is going for...

 

Yeah I was suprised that he even wanted to play. Usually the Vette guys around here never play around. But it is an awsome machine though.

 

Ive seen them run 11.5s consistently on street tires. I cant believe how much power those ls7's make. I'd give anything to take one for a test drive.

 

Eh.... EH..... Maybe the low proformance big blocks, but thats besides the point

An LS7 would be sick in a 3rd gen

 

Those cars are just simply awesome. Reasonablly priced, insane performance. I want...

 

Low 11s, anyone who dogs that is retarded. Insane cars, great bargans, too bad I dont have $70K laying around, or Id own one and be gunning for Rangers times

 

Needs a targa roof for it to be the ultimate vehicle.

 

Thats ok the roofs come off pretty easy... theres a vid of one somewhere.
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Yeah I've seen that one.

 

[quote=7plagues]stock with slicks "ranger" has got 10.8@129 and an 11.1?@127 with street tires, stock....[/quoe]

Don't get me wrong, I love what GM did with the LS7, but for the money, I'm not too impressed with it. Was so impressed with Patrick Guerra's build that I followed it (having some minor differences though), and would never even consider a crate LS7 now....

 

you mean $80k, right? If I can get one at sticker, it is a tad over $80K with 5% sales tax. (06's stickered at $72K and the 07's are at $77K)

Also, $12K for the motor alone is a tad high since you still need another $2K+ for harness, PCM, accessories, and support items.

 

[QUOTE=Street Lethal;3289512]I wouldnt buy a crate ls7 either... for 12k i think i shouldnt have a problem putting together a 500hp ls2...

 

And how are those AFR headed "optimized" DCR 346's in light Z06's/FRC's doing against the new Z06 I've seen firsthand what a well thought out 346 CAN'T do against that LS7... Or do you want to race dynos?

And while the price seems steep, once you break down what you get, it begins to look like a bargain.

 

[quote=Street Lethal;3289512]Come on now...please look at more then just 1/4 performance. If the C6 Z06 is not a bargain, I wonder what you think of those $300k lambos then!

 

For a bone stock car with a manufacturers warranty, there is no other car that can touch this car for the price.

 

[QUOTE=Stevo;3291387]I can think of a lot of mods for the $220,000 less I'd pay for the Z06. I'll have to agree here, the overall package is great, the drivetrain is spectaular, great chassis, maybe its a little GM inside, but again, you can't buy anything for the price in that league.

 

[QUOTE=Street Lethal;3289512]Well, if you're not yet impressed, consider the fact that the LS7 knocks down 26 mpg highway and 16 city in a Z06, which is about the same economy as an L98 car (with a good tailwind) with over twice the horsepower.

Or take a look at an LS7 dyno chart and note that it makes over 400 lb-ft at the wheels from 2800 to 6500 RPMs.

The LS7 is probably the greatest small block ever built. Period.

 

[QUOTE=80smetalfan;3294193]Fixed

 

They seem to be doing pretty well Marc, especially modified LS1 F-Body's, for just a few grand shy of a crate LS7, car included....

Oh, and, by the way Marc, any engine can be made fast when you know what your are doing. Take your pic, and welcome to the 70's....

Yeah, were you the einstein behind this "well thought out 346"?

In reference to dyno racing, please. The track is where it matters....

Kindly re-inspect my post again, and tell me exactly where I said that the C6-ZO6 is not a bargain in comparison to three hundred thousand dollar lambo's? Did I, or did I not say "crate LS7". I love you guys, you hear what you want to hear, then use it as an excuse to spew irrelevant nonsense.....

Again, never said anything about the ZO6 itself. For the money, car wise, it is the car of choice for the American muscle car enthusiast. Never said it wasn't. What I did say, if anyone bothered reading, was that a CRATE LS7 is simply not worth the money. You can build a much more powerful engine, for much less, car included.....!

Yes (answering some future responses to this), I know that the LS7 can be made even more powerful, especially when modified. But that isn't my argument though. I'd give my left nut to own an LS7, but it's simply not worth the asking price.....

Again, I'll reiterate, "never said it wasn't an impressive engine. Simply said the "crate" wasn't worth it's asking price". That so hard to understand....?

I would ask that you don't do that. I never lowered myself to changing someone else's words, and, as far as I'm concerned, administration wouldn't be too fond of such practice. I know you were only messing around, though.

 

lol....

 

 

I watched a few of those videos and got bored. I didn't see one N/A LS1 trap anywhere near 128, which I've personally seen an LS7 Z06 run.

The well though out LS1 was your hero, Patrick, who still has no drag times to back up his super LS1. And since the LS7 outguns the LS1 in the real world, I figured YOU wanted to race dynos, as you were lovin up on Patricks 475rwhp - and NOT his real world performance.

Can you, or Patrick G build an LS1 from scratch that puts down the same power and torque (under the curve too a la Patrick), with similar components with the same reliability/longevity? That includes new, not I bought this used crap from my boyfriend BS, block, rotating assembly, cylinder heads, exhaust manifolds, intake, fuel rails etc etc

 

you could probably do a big inch LSX block with wicked heads and a mild cam that would make more power than the LS7 all around and still idle like a stockish car with plenty of reliability. but youd wind up spending just as much if not more than the crate LS7....

 

I see.

I just don't really see how much cheaper it could be to build a motor that's not only capable of that powerband and peak numbers, and still knocks down that kind of mileage. Yes, a LOT has to do with the fact that it's in a Z06, but that's still pretty impressive.

 

Sorry for the late response Marc;

Stock? Link, please....?

475 RWHP + stock rear = Hmm....

Don't need to. Any engine can be built to run the numbers, all the LS7 has over the others is it's cubic inch displacment advantage. More cubes = more torque, so of course it's power levels will be higher. I'm more impressed with an engine running significantly less cubes, running faster times....

Don't know what your getting at here, but it sounds similar in comparing a 305 to a 350. Would you build a 305 engine, in it's stock form (cylinder heads, exhaust manifolds, rotating assembly etc. etc.), to try an match the power levels of an engine with a 45 cubic inch, let alone the advantage the LS7 (427) has over the LS1 (346), advantage....?

Please clarify....

 

do a search on www.corvetteforum.com for a member named "Ranger". hes personally run a 10.8 at 129mph in a bone stock C6 Z06 with DRs. hes always run very impressive times in Z06s... i saw him do an 11.6 at 120mph in an 02' with only a blackwing filter and DRs at cecil county dragway

 

TPI, I wish I had the time to run a search on that corvette forum right now, but I'll try to when I get home from work later on this evening. I've heard of the infamous Ranger running those times on a supposedly bone stock (albeit w/DR's) '06 ZO6, but alas, never seen one run that fast before, stock.

Just find it a little humorous in which there are LS7 ZO6's over here running each and every weekend, with DR's, and none of them can break into the 10's (w/experienced drivers). This guy Ranger must have been an excellent shifter, unless, there is something else going on with that ride of his....

In any event, I stand by what I originally said. $12,000.00 is not worth the price of an LS7. Yes, it is worth it from a collector's stand point, but to your average racer, it is not. Same can be said about the LT5. Awesome engine, but clearly not worth the money, especially if your going to pound on it. That's what cheap small blocks are for.....

I've seen street legal LS1's running in the 8's, a la the vette doctors. Yes, the LS7 will always make more power on the dyno (because of it's cubic inch advantage), but 8 seconds is 8 seconds, and the dragstrip is where it really matters, not the dyno....

I'm not looking to go 200+mph out on the highway, I rarely go 100+. LS1's can easily trap the same speed's at the track as the LS7 (with a little work, of course) for much cheaper. This is what I originally meant, and I stand by it. It was not meant to say that the LS1, stock, is superior to the LS7, as that is clearly not the case. But it can be, for MUCH cheaper than the price of LS7 admission, car included....

 

I agree.

Incidently, take a look at BowerBoy's insanely fast 8 second LS2. I mean, how much faster does one want to go, or can go, on the street....?

8 second street cruise

"In response to a lot of questions regarding the drivability of my 8 second Corvette C5 with Independent Rear Suspension and the possibility of driving the car on the street, I took the car on a little trip this past weekend. Since I do own several other cars, I never intended on driving this regularly on the street. But since you asked I thought I would take her out for a spin....

This is exactly the way the car finished its last pass of 8.6@163. Nothing except the removal of the Hooseirs (not street legal) and replacing them with a set of HRE's. On the first try the car fired right up! As you see it idles almost like stock. Overall, the car really shocked the heck out of me....

It is incredibly docile. Shifts nicely and idles in gear real nicely. I drove the car for about 30 minutes and traveled between 10 and 15 miles. The car's water temps ran at about 200 degrees. I caught several traffic lights and the car had absolutely no problem standing there waiting for the green. The trek mostly covered county and state hwy roads with a few neighborhood roads....

I also did the unthinkable. I went to Wawa and filed her up with 93 octane! Yes that's right 93 octane in my 1000RWHP+ 8 sec IRS Corvette. Mind you I never ventured over 10psi of boost but I also never heard a ping and it still blasted down the road. I shot some video of the trip. Remember, this thing can never be considered a commuting vehicle but a night of terrorizing the local street racers is definitely in my future! Thanks to Edgar, Carmen and Richie coming along and helping with the video....

PS. As you will see from the video, I also took the opportunity to pick up a few groceries for the wife while I was out. This was a blast! It will definitely see a lot more street time...."

-BowerBoy @ LS1Tech.com

Edit: Again, the LS7 serves it's purpose, but it is clearly not needed when it comes to racing.....

 

A friend of mine has a '07 zo6 vette and let me tell you...neck braces are a necessity when you're in this bad boy. I have been in a few modded muscle cars and I have never felt the kick you feel in this car. This baby feels like you're riding a bullet out of a 30/30 shotgun. 0-60? Like right now! I've read and seen on some road and track videos that this vette is faster then most new lambo's, most high end ferrari's and pushes most high end porsche's to their limits. If's and buts aside...you have to experience it to believe it. Awesome. I have a modded ls6 engine in my '91 rs and this summer, that vette and my car are gonna settle some differences at the 1/4. The difference most likely is gonna be..his car 5 lengths in front of mine..

 

heres the video of rangers 10.85 run. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=469NvIOiz7U

 

they both look and sound awesome. id probably die laughing if i got some guy in a z06 who asked me to race.

 

I wonder how the new skyline coming is going to affect the Z06's market.

Right now for 80k the Z06 is THE pick, IMO, especially as was already mentioned the price of the other cars in its class...

But here comes something in the same price bracket...
And seeing how the 02 GT-R is a work of art even compared to an 07 vette with all wheel drive, all wheel steering, 8,200 RPM Limited 2.6L of 400 All Wheel Horsepower... remember thats what the 02 Z06 was about at, I could even compare it to the NUR edition since stock GT-Rs were only 50k the NUR edition was sort of like the Z06 of the corvette, came with far more power and far more options. for 80k... Imagine whats coming for this next generation?

Sorry If I sound like I already chose my side?

 

That skyline will be a pig.

 

yea i dont think it will be that fast to heavy they always are even the older ones you had to add power or cut wieght to make them quick

 

ya Ranger has the record for quickest time on DRs, otherwise bonestock. As for the bargain price, I think its a very good deal considering what's out there. Alot of people bore out the LS2s and throw some worked over L92 heads with FAST 90/90 setups and make similar power while saving a few dollars.

You know you have an efficient engine when your making 550rwhp on a "cam-only" setup.

 

Not wanting to make this a really big deal, but, if that's the only video of Ranger's run, I'm not buying it. The footage was edited, and we have a time being shown after the timeslip is embellished....

Again, not saying that Ranger didn't run a ten second time, but I'll believe it was BONE STOCK when I'm there watching it dyno'ed, as well as watching it make it's pass....

For the amount of money one would spend on a brand new ZO6, one could buy themselves any decent shell (preferrably 3rd Gen) for under a grand, aftermarket Turbo 350, w/stall, for dirt cheap. Decent rear w/driveshaft. A low compression GM crate engine, Gale banks Twin Turbo set-up, Mega-Squirt (optional), all for under $20,000.00!

 

just doesn't sound like you have much faith in the new z06 or the ls7. I've seen way too many videos of these things trapping in the upper 120's to not believe ranger's video is truthful. he posts all the time on ls1tech, he's an honest and nice guy. He's coming out with a dvd on how to get the most out of your bonestock car. With the experience he's had with driving corvettes and making hundreds of passes with his cars, I don't see why anyone would think he's faking a video.

About getting a built thirdgen all for under 20k and make it go faster than a new z06... that is all well and true and many people have done it i'm sure. But of course there's always another side of it all. You get what you pay for. A thirdgen camaro that's quicker than a new z06 for less won't look as good, handle as good, ride as good, or be as quiet/ docile. IF those things don't matter to you then you will be the one with the 9 second thirgen. If you want that supercar performance that cars selling for 120k go for while paying 70 or 80k.. then well, the Z06 is a damn good deal.

I'm just saying there's some great technology put into this car, and its making 10 second passes while idling like a stock LS1. Its outperforming cars that are in the 120k dollar price range, and it cost 80k. Cars like these probably will be looked upon as a waste of money because of the great budget builds you can with thirdgens.

 

With no warranty, you didn't address the brakes, suspension, etc.

If you want to play that game you could take a Geo metro and make it run faster..it's still not the point

 

There's no real comparison to the LS7... 470ish RWHP, idles and drives so easy my grandmother could drive one.. there's no comparison.

 

Don't mind me fella's, that's just my way of venting because I can't afford one....

Seriously though, the crate is very overpriced. I can understand buying an LS7 for a C6-ZO6 that might have blew the motor (because it's collector value remains), but to buy one for another car, entirely, is a complete waste of it's asking price. That was honestly my original point, going just as fast, if not waaaaay faster, for muuuuuch cheaper....

Just like the ZL1's/L88's back in the day. Those engines were monster's, (and are now extremely rare), but those in the know back then could take any 396/402, heck, even a 350 for that matter, and clean it's clock, if built properly, for muuuuch cheaper....

Make no mistake, I respect the new C6-ZO6, just not the crate though.

I've had warranty for as long as I could remember on just about every one of my cars (save for older the projects). Never even used it. Yes, I know it's quite the savings, but nobody touches my car(s) once it's mine, not even the dealer....

 

^ Incidently, someone blew a piece of their suspension to bits last night over at e-Town (C6 Corvette). The clown kept on it to boot. When GM scans for data they'll see last top speed, last 0-60, etc etc. We'll see just how much gets covered through "GM's" warranty....

Also, if the guys who made the very last run is readin this. Tough luck bro. That was an unreal launch, car went straight up in the air, and came down HARD. Thank G-D your alright though. Was standing next to your mechanic when it happened. He was almost in tears, both laughing, then crying.....