Does anyone know anything about these cars?

I think they look pretty good and they seem like they might be quick. A friend of mine is probably getting one and I just wanna know how it'll run in the 1/4.

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I've never seen one run at the track, and when I was visiting clubrsx.com no one had posted any legitimate timeslips. Magazines say mid-high 14's, but I'll believe it when I see it. I'm guessing 14.9-15.4 will be the norm, depending on the driver. They have 200 hp, weigh in the neighborhood of 2750-2850, and they are available with 6 speeds. They do not have limited slip differentials from the factory. I believe that a standard Type R Integra would be quicker than the RSX-Type S, but that's just personal conjecture.

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You mean NSX?

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No...RSX.

 

Yeah, from what I have heard, the rsx is taking over the integra series from acura. Does anyone know if they're getting rid of the prelude too?

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integra/rsx= acura
prelude = honda

honda=foreign
acura=american (i know this for a fact, so dont think i am mistaken. thats why they have honda legends in japan...)

 

the RSX runs high 14's nothing to be worried about..tpyical import car...no torque high revving motor...personally i think they are hideous and slow...

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Yeah, the Prelude is gone too. Apparently it only sold well in Vancouver, Toronto, and areas of California. Everywhere else it was a dog.

acura=american? huh? Acura is Honda's upper scale lineup. They have Acura's in Japan.

dude, I saw one today turning ontp SE Marine Drive from Dunbar... it's a bit of a hill and he spun the tires and looked a little embarrassed.

 

what am i running? best time is a 13.89 without even lifting the valve covers...

what are YOU running?

no worries...i'll be in the high 11's come next spring when i drop a GN drivetrain into the GTA

 

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nevermind

[This message has been edited by ChillPhatCat (edited September 05, 2001).]

 

"what am i running? best time is a 13.89 without even lifting the valve covers..."

What were you running before you did ANYTHING??? I think that high 14s is respectable from a bone stock 4 banger with no torque...it's not my cup of tea, but I'm not going to dis on it just because it's not a domestic.

And as for what I'm running...I've never run the full 1/4, but my 1/8th mile times are consistently low 9.4's at 79mph...and my 60 foots are horrible 2.4's. I know that's not very good, but I'm not bagging on anyone's car. I'm not going to mention what I'm planning on running in the near future, because I haven't run it yet.

I've never lifted my valve covers either, and I'm fwd and I don't even have a limited slip. I've got a K&N and a cheapo exhaust and that's IT.

/flame suit on

SPOOM

[This message has been edited by SPOOM (edited September 05, 2001).]

 

Before you rag on the man about saying a high 14 second car is slow... lets compare technology as time as went by. Go back a few years... say in the late 80's, early 90's. Compare the four bangers of that time to the 305/350s. It's in comparsion. Just as if you take the new RSX and compare it to the new LS1.


Times have changed. Your comparing a late 80's car with a early 2000 car. Not really that fair. They've learned to push those four bangers to the max. Especially the turbo ones.


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oh i see, so since we have hondas they must be american cars, not japanese. acura is upper scaled honda, but it is an american based car company. honda is a japanese based car company.

 

if you want proof beyond my word go play Gran Turismo 3 and see that Acura is grouped with the American car companies and Honda is grouped with the Foreign

 

Acura is owned by Honda. By my logic, that makes it a Japanese company. It seems that the Acura company agrees with me, since they refer to themselves as making Japanese luxury cars.

Yes, I realize that the CL/TL series, and probably others, are designed and built in North America. But they're still Japanese cars.

 

I dont think the Acura NSX is built in the USA. Acura=overpriced honda. As far as the technology thing, cars are a little faster and cost alot more.

 

I dont think the Acura NSX is built in the USA. Acura=overpriced honda. As far as the technology thing, cars are a little faster and cost alot more.

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All Acuras have Honda engines. If you open the hood of one, you will see a big "H" logo on the plenum.

So in my book, that makes it a Japanese car. I mean, Acura is not a Domestic (American), would you think of a Integra Type-R as a domestic car? I should hope not. Acura is just a luxury division of Honda. Manufactured in America. But designed and developed by Honda in Japan. Subaru/Isuzu is manufactured in my city. They are still imports, but manufactured in America.

The Chevy/Geo Metro is manufactured in Japan, then imported, but we don't consider them imports, we consider them American.

I consider them Junk.

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ok...Acura's from what i understand are made here in states.

OK...i wasn't ragging on the RSX because it was an import..i just said its a typical import engine...no torque and high revving.

As far as the high 14 second 1/4 mile it doesn't impress me...you are talking about present day techonolgy...you ask what my car ran stock? 14.7 according to the original owner. Yeah i have 4 more cylinders but my car always weighs 3600 lbs. Motor Trend pulled a 15.1@93mph out of the RSX(no i just don't go by magazines) so again it doesn't impress me...plus they are ugly!

 

"...so again it doesn't impress me...plus they are ugly!"

Well the car as a package doesn't particularly impress me, either (and I don't think it looks so hot myself), but even with "present day technology" it's quicker than the majority of non-turbo fours, and not too awful compared to some cars with larger displacements. Don't forget that "present day technology" must also incorporate ever stricter emissions and fuel-economy technology, too.

To reiterate, I'm not particularly fond of them myself, I do agree with you on that point...BUT, to totally discount them because they are "torqueless, ugly imports" would be a mistake, in my opinion.

"i just said its a typical import engine...no torque and high revving."

If the vehicle is light enough and has enough gears with close ratios, you can get away with this...motorcycles do it, and cars can too*.

*disclaimer: in no way am I comparing an RSX's performance numbers to that of a motorcycle...I am fully aware of the massive discrepencies in the performance of the two.


SPOOM

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I ran against one last night at the track the 200hp type S or whatever with the 6 speed and he ran a 15.465@91.265 it was stock.

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I give them credit for having a commercial promoting speeding on public highways.

 

Car and Driver says they can pull a 14.7 out of it. That means every pretty boy driving em out on the street sould manage a mid fifteen run with the 6 speed. As far as Acura being american, give me a break! Jap is Crap!

 

"Jap is Crap!"

Thanks for having an open mind.

SPOOM

 

I do have an open mind...my last car was a Mazda RX-7. Cool engine design, problems, very expensive parts, and slow. After driving a real american car like a thirdgen I see what its all about...Big engine, loud exhaust, wasted gas, accessive accelleration, cheap parts...its the american way!
If im wrong for having pride in my country then so be it.
peace

 

I see a distinction between having pride in one's country and discounting every non-American brand of automobile.

To each their own.


SPOOM

 

while I love my f-bodies, having had a built IROC and current L98 formula, I also love my imports . . .

If jap = crap, then I can manage to put up with my two hunks of toyota crap . . . I really hate that zero input in $$ other than typical preventative stuff . . . Biggest waste of money on our first toyota, buying the 10/100,000 mile bumper to bumper warranty. Don't get me wrong, I've tried to talk my wife into stepping into a LS1, but she'll have none of that

 

Spoon...i wasn't disrespecting the RSX by saying "typical import engine..no torque and high revving". Its true...most of your imports are high revving low torque motors...i don't understand why u are on the defensive side. Sorry but a mid 15 second car doesn't impress me..its not fast...

I'm not an import hater...but these little wanna be econ-box sports cars of today get on my nerves..want a REAL import sports car? get a 300Zx TT,3000GT VR4, or a Supra TT(this comment wasn't directed at you personally..just in general)

 

No offense is taken, and I'm not really "arguing" per se, just taking the alternate view.

I'm not impressed with mid 15 second 1/4's, either. If you'll look at my earlier post in this thread, I stated that magazines quoted mid-high 14 second 1/4's, but that I'd "believe it when I saw it"...well I haven't seen it yet, or heard from anyone who has.

Once again, I'm not having an argument with you...just a discussion. Sorry if I seem too defensive...I should switch to Sanka.

SPOOM

 

LOL...no problem man...and as far as a mid 14 second run..i haven't seen it...someone said car and driver pulled a 14.7 out of one..but this is the SAME C&D that pulled a 13 flat out of a ZO6 and Cobra R and a 12.7 out of a Viper so their times hold no weight with me...

One new import car WILL give respect to is a WRX..though its ugly it has some *****...saw one bone stock run a 14.2..not too shabby

 

I would say that 14's are quite impressive for stock cars... why should we be comparing juiced up third gens and what not to stock four bangers? We're comparing apples and oranges... and "jap is crap" ??? if you define crap as having matched hp and tq numbers than yeah you could say that, but I haven't heard a complaint from my dad about his Toyota PU in the last 12 years... guess it's still like new with only 315,000 miles on it... that would explain why the compression is at factory spec on all the cylinders... and 32 MPG? damn what a POS

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Here are a few pics of my 4-banger, if anyone cares to look:

http://photos.yahoo.com/bc/spoomus/l...Photos&.view=t

And here's a link to a racing vid from our last foray to the track:

http://fork.apex.net/m5/gleason-racing-nolag4me.mov

WARNING: The video quality is marginal, and you can't make out the times as the people cross at the end of the track, but there is some cool in-car racing footage that is worth a look. The burgundy 4 door sedan in the vid is my pal's 2001 BMW M5 6-speed, this is the car that the in-car footage comes from...400hp and a 6-speed. The black Mustang he kept racing against was a Cobra with 4.10 gears.

I had some decent and some not-so-decent runs on the tape...but there IS a fair mix of import/domestic/street/race cars in the video. It's a .mov file, so you'll need Quicktime.

SPOOM

[This message has been edited by SPOOM (edited September 07, 2001).]

 

I think the reasoning behind this (based on conversations on GT messageboards about whether this was a bug in the game from GT2.. since there were so many other bugs, typos and misc discrepancies in that game) is that Acura is a name used only in the USA. Cars sold under the Acura name in the states ARE sold in Japan, and other countries, but under the Honda name. They are Japanese cars, beyond any shadow of a doubt in my mind, only the marketing is Americanized.

 

Just for the record, while we are talking about the origin of Honda, I was reading a car mag (forget which one) at work the other day, and there was an interview with "Honduh" CEO. When I read this is I laughed my *** off and told my Honda friend who is real pro-Japanese import power.

The CEO said about 90% or so of the parts that go in a Honda (or Acura for that matter) are MADE IN AMERICA and about 95% of the production is done in AMERICAN plants.

Just thought I would throw that in.

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It doesn't matter where something is made, or assembled. I matters where main headquarters of the parent company is located, as that country will be where the majority of the r&d and testing are done, and also where the vast majority of the revenues made by the company go. Revenues are the determining factor, and the reason some people don't like non-american companies that sell their goods in America. That is money that is taken out of the country and it affects the economy of this country (but lets not go there because it gets real messy from there). Lets just say that if you went to Japan, you'd see NSX's, but they would have a Honda badge, not Acura, on them. The Acura name is just a marketing tool to get people in the USA to buy more expensive Hondas.

 

Man until tonight i would have been making fun of Acuras and Honduhs. unfortunitly i found out the advantages of driving a Integra..you can hook up when the street is wet. it was a $50 mistake i dont want to repeat. Given it was a Type-R not an RSX, but close enough. now on a dry street obviously i would have whacked him back to riceland, but sometimes you have to give credit where credit is due.

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Sprite - So by that logic, the Focus is not an American car right? Because it was European designed and researched and whatever word you want to use to describe that process. Anyways, I know what I read, and most Honduh parts are built in the good ole US of A

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No, my logic holds true, since the majority of the revenues from the Focus are brought right back into the USA. I think you're missing one little point in your spin here, that being that we are talking about a BRAND not a MODEL. Focus is a Ford, regardless of where it was designed, just as a Geo is a Chevy, and there were other Fords that were actually Mazda's, Plymouths that were Mitsubishis yadda yadda infinitum. Plenty of grey area on individual models, but the homeland of the company is pretty easy to discern. It's really pretty simple, even on Acura's home page they make it pretty clear they are the American division of a Japanese car manufacturer (Honda, duh). I guess since "most" Honda parts are made in USA, they're an American make also huh? Yay, I'm all happy and stuff that we do get some revenues from their labor and parts, but that's just not where the big money is. Maybe you should call all the large American corporations that have parts and labor sourced outside the USA (which would be the majority of them) and inform them they're not really American companies. I'm sure they'd appreciate the enlightenment.


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I dont know which version of Car and Driver comes to your house but in mine the got 12.7 out of the Z06.

 

QUOTE (Since I don't know how to do this the fancy way): "It doesn't matter where something is made, or assembled. I matters where main headquarters of the parent company is located, as that country will be where the majority of the r&d and testing are done, and also where the vast majority of the revenues made by the company go. "

"...regardless of where it was designed..."

*LMAO* Wow, you contradict yourself a lot dont you? You first you say the that Honduhs and Acuras are Japanese, and I proved you wrong with that. In fact, my friend's Accord's VIN number starts with a 1. Since I assume nothing with you or your knoweldge I will tell you that means it is AMERICAN. You say it doesn't matter where the car was designed but only built. Does that mean a Delorean is Irish, because that was where it was built. Does that make a Lotus actually an American car because it is owned by GM? I can't tell if you base a car on design or where it is built. Not that it matters anyway, because you are changing the subject. All I said is what I read in a mag, I will get you the name of the mag and month if you really want it.

Also, something else you said I thought was funny - "...just as a Geo is a Chevy..."
You have obviously never looked under the hood of a Geo Prizm and seen the TOYOTA markings on the block. Nor have you seen SUZUKI emblems on the block of a METRO, or a Tracker. And I'll bet you never saw the ISUZU markings on the Storm and Sprint blocks did you?

Maybe you should: 1)Not make contradicting statements and 2)read some more.

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