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Old Nov 26, 2012 | 04:57 PM
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l98 vs sleeper

im bored so i figured id let u guys laugh at me for a loss i rarely mention.
not long after buying my car i was driving thru chicagos south side and i see a ugly riced out lookin mustang behind me. he passes me doin alil over the limit. i hear a louuud exhaust but a high pitched note, i realize its a v6 so i pull up next to him, we slow to 20mph and after 3honks i hear a high pitched squeal and lotsa tire spin. the muskrat went sideways and jumped 5-6 cars in one gear holding peace symbol out the window and let out. my turn came up and we parted ways.
i got smoked by a 94-99 style v6 mustang.


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Old Nov 26, 2012 | 05:47 PM
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im bored so i figured id let u guys laugh at me for a loss i rarely mention.
not long after buying my car i was driving thru chicagos south side and i see a ugly riced out lookin mustang behind me. he passes me doin alil over the limit. i hear a louuud exhaust but a high pitched note, i realize its a v6 so i pull up next to him, we slow to 20mph and after 3honks i hear a high pitched squeal and lotsa tire spin. the muskrat went sideways and jumped 5-6 cars in one gear holding peace symbol out the window and let out. my turn came up and we parted ways.
i got smoked by a 94-99 style v6 mustang.


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wow must of had slot of work done to it because they are dogs when stock
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Old Nov 26, 2012 | 06:09 PM
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Old Nov 26, 2012 | 09:29 PM
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You probably would've beat him on the highway, those 3.8l v6s are all torque. Had one in my Ford Taurus.
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Old Nov 26, 2012 | 09:32 PM
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it had a turbo i wouldnt of beat him in any race


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Old Nov 26, 2012 | 10:37 PM
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Re: l98 vs sleeper

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it had a turbo i wouldnt of beat him in any race


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Did you hear the turbo or are you guessing? Because a SN95 v6 should not be able to touch a thirdgen. Maybe it had a 125 or 150 shot of nitrous.

You might come close to losing against a newer 2005-2010 mustang, I've seen the V6's run bottom 15's at the track in the 95mph range.

Against a 2011 and up with the 3.7L V6 forget it. Near stock L98 has zero chance against one car to car. They are running mid 13's @ 100mph+ stock.
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Old Nov 26, 2012 | 10:47 PM
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i heard it, a very high pitched squeal, and it jumped lengths on me like nothing ive seen before that. i believe it was turbo but i didnt talk to him


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Old Nov 26, 2012 | 10:53 PM
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Turbo's don't squeal, they hiss.

My low 13 second LT1 got beat by a de-badged 3.7L Nissan Maxima once. He got the jump cause i wasn't aware we were racing and I could not catch him in the time I had. It was gaining but VERY slowly. Its entirely possible I could have lost even if he hadn't gotten a jump. I suspect he had full bolt-ons and maybe a small nitrous shot.
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Old Nov 27, 2012 | 12:25 AM
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I don't see why someone would use spray on the street, seems like a bit of a waste. Then again, I'm more a fan of permanent power. Do people spray much on the street? If I had nitrous, I'd only spray at the track. But anyway, the sound of a turbo is a pretty distinct hiss, not a squeal. Idk, maybe it was a v8?
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Old Nov 27, 2012 | 12:31 AM
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supercharged v6 maybe? lol

well in any event..its ok to post a loss...cant win them all.it gives motivation to get faster.
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Old Nov 27, 2012 | 02:47 AM
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Old Nov 27, 2012 | 08:13 AM
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no definitely a v6 and definitely turbocharged. i sometimes ride around in a pickup truck w/ a cummins 6.7 and sometimes an 03chevy w/ a duramax i kno what a turbo sounds like.


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Old Nov 27, 2012 | 11:19 AM
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Considering it probably had a Super coupe motor/parts I dint think you're correct. To take off like that it wasn't turbo. Those things have over 300 ft/lbs.
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Old Nov 27, 2012 | 03:58 PM
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people listen carefully. turbo v6 mustang. you could hear it spool when he downshifted, then it took off in a cloud of smoke, 5-6 lengths in one gear then he let out. i know what a turbo sounds like.


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Old Nov 28, 2012 | 09:05 AM
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Re: l98 vs sleeper

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no definitely a v6 and definitely turbocharged. i sometimes ride around in a pickup truck w/ a cummins 6.7 and sometimes an 03chevy w/ a duramax i kno what a turbo sounds like.


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One second you didn't hear it and you think it was a turbo, next you know for a fact?

Bro maybe he stole Brian O'Connor's skyline's motor or Dom Torreto's Supra motor!
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Pry had naaaawwwzzzzz. Hahaha


I sprayed on the street with my 305 all the time. It ran 15.7's in motor and 12.80 with a 150 shot and sticky tires, gears, converter, headers. On spray,it was just enough to keep with bolt on LS1 cars. With my 396, I was scared to spray on the street. It made ~600hp without spray, It would be HAIRY with more.


Sad loss but,hey new minivans probably put a stock thirdgen to shame. Haha
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Old Nov 28, 2012 | 09:24 AM
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It was a supercharged v10. I just know it
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Old Nov 28, 2012 | 09:27 AM
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read the original post completly before replying like a jack off. quote where i said i didnt hear it. after 3honks he downshifted, thats when u could hear it spool. it didnt whine or howl like a sc, it screamed like a dog whistle, high pitch hurt your ears sound. i didnt post to argue with a bunch of bench racers over what power adder some *** in his muskrat had. im just letting u kno a boosted muskrat smoked me. end of story


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Old Nov 28, 2012 | 11:48 AM
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sounds like nitrous on a smaller engine. If it took off like you say it did, it wasn't turbo,but probably nitrous oxide.
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Old Nov 28, 2012 | 11:52 AM
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hey hey 91 glad to see you didnt slit ur wrists after your recent flogging. hows the Big Money Waster running?


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Old Nov 28, 2012 | 12:18 PM
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hey hey 91 glad to see you didnt slit ur wrists after your recent flogging. hows the Big Money Waster running?


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recent flogging? oh you mean how that guy only has 235whp and claims to run a mid 13 with a 3500 lb plus car? He even posted his dyno hp results.You do the math.

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Old Nov 28, 2012 | 12:29 PM
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he also posted timeslips and video so u cant argue it.


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Old Nov 28, 2012 | 12:32 PM
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recent flogging? oh you mean how that guy only has 235whp and claims to run a mid 13 with a 3500 lb plus car? You do the math.
LMFAO!!

It probably weighs about 3,450 or less dipstick, considering the hood, suspension, and missing emissions equipment.
Making about 260-270 WHP now. The 235 was with nothing but Superram, injectors, muffler, tune.
Here, let's do this one more time.

http://www.mypowerblock.com/video/my...grand-prix-gxp

http://www.dragtimes.com/Pontiac-Tra...lip-21008.html

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You lose...........Again.
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Old Nov 28, 2012 | 12:33 PM
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he also posted timeslips and video so u cant argue it.


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bullshit, i watched the video. Didn't you see where it said 235whp? I know these cars like the back of my hand. A GTA is also the heaviest of them all! Go ahead and look up the curb weight of an average GTA.
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Old Nov 28, 2012 | 12:34 PM
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Nope, your gonna need at least 300hp at the wheel to run a mid 13!
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Your only real mods are Intake manifold, headers, and maybe your gears. Emissions equipment doesn't weigh that much either.LOL
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no where in any of those videos does a person see the time flash on the board. wtf?
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Your only real mods are Intake manifold, headers, and maybe your gears. Emissions equipment doesn't weigh that much either.LOL
Oh yeah? What do you think an N10 setup weighs compared to a piece of pipe? How about the stock iron manifolds and AIR plumbing? The fiberglass hood?

You just don't learn, and you don't know **** about a third gen. I have owned you over and over again with pure proof, witnesses who were THERE when I ran the time, and yet you keep going. You Sir, are an uneducated f*cking moron, and the likes of people like you, should be exterminated with extreme prejudice.
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no where in any of those videos does a person see the time flash on the board. wtf?
My buddy working the camera is not exactly a pro, sorry. All you need to see is the way I dusted that LS powered GP GXP when I left, and you know I ran an impressive time, if you know what your looking at. Which well......We all know you don't have a clue.
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Oh yeah? What do you think an N10 setup weighs compared to a piece of pipe? How about the stock iron manifolds and AIR plumbing? The fiberglass hood?

You just don't learn, and you don't know **** about a third gen. I have owned you over and over again with pure proof, witnesses who were THERE when I ran the time, and yet you keep going. You Sir, are an uneducated f*cking moron, and the likes of people like you, should be exterminated with extreme prejudice.
Dude, that stuff doesn't really weigh all that much.

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Hey not saying your car is not badass. I like it and think it's pretty clean. Just having a hard time believing that time. Oh well, if you say it did then maybe you did. Enjoy your thirdgen.
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So, you deleted stock manifolds and added headers? You saved 18 lbs there, the hood may have saved you a few more.
Dude, why don't you read what I post up??? I put up my mods list, READ IT.

https://www.thirdgen.org/mr_jan_1992...ar_of_the_year

Might want to check that out. Shows the 92 running 14.3 stock, and having 240 HP, which you claim I only had 230 stock.

Oh, and considering your old third gen could never get out of mid 14's with mods and tune, this quote from that article about a stock one has to hurt lmao!

"The T/A was a joy to drive. Simply pull to the line, heat the tires, leave the
shifter in Drive, power-brake a little, and mash the throttle after you're
rolling. Anyone could drive this car to a 14.5 pass, and with a little
practice, you too could run 14.3s."
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Hey not saying your car is not badass. I like it and think it's pretty clean. Just having a hard time believing that time. Oh well, if you say it did then maybe you did. Enjoy your thirdgen.
Thanks. I just don't get why your arguing, considering I have plenty of proof, not to mention witnesses, in which you are calling him and his wife liars also, by arguing with me.
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why would it hurt? LOL. I don't care . I don't even own a thirdgen anymore.
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why would it hurt? LOL. I don't care . I don't even own a thirdgen anymore.
Well, you do seem to be the one with a pride issue right now. Let's face it, the only reason you are arguing is because you tried to build a fast thirdgen, and failed. Now your pride is hurt because you thought you knew so much and were a good tuner, and then I come along and just ruin that whole idea for you, by killing you by a full second in the 1/4 with nothing but bolt ons and know how. And you feel even worse knowing what you spent on a bimmer after failing with the third gen, just to have to look next to you at full throttle in it, and see ME in my old 91 GTA. Just get the shovel, scoop up what's left of your pride that I ran over on the way down the track, and head for the sunset man.

Why are you still here?
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Well, you do seem to be the one with a pride issue right now. Let's face it, the only reason you are arguing is because you tried to build a fast thirdgen, and failed. Now your pride is hurt because you thought you knew so much and were a good tuner, and then I come along and just ruin that whole idea for you, by killing you by a full second in the 1/4 with nothing but bolt ons and know how. And you feel even worse knowing what you spent on a bimmer after failing with the third gen, just to have to look next to you at full throttle in it, and see ME in my old 91 GTA. Just get the shovel, scoop up what's left of your pride that I ran over on the way down the track, and head for the sunset man.

Why are you still here?
Then prove it. You didn't do it unless you prove it.Your videos prove nothing! Even your dyno video said you only had 235 hp at the wheel. Why is your trap speed only 98mph too? Mid 13's are usually around 104,105mph. Come on man
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It's not that I don't believe you did it, its just the numbers don't make sense.
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Then prove it. You didn't do it unless you prove it.Your videos prove nothing! Even your dyno video said you only had 235 hp at the wheel. Why is your trap speed only 98mph too? Mid 13's are usually around 104,105mph. Come on man
I ALREADY DID!! WTF IS WRONG WITH YOU?!

http://www.dragtimes.com/Pontiac-Tra...lip-21008.html

^^^There is the timeslip from Thompson raceway park up by Cleveland, which is also written all over the wall in my video of the run.

The numbers don't have to make sense to you, the point is I have the proof and the witnesses, and you have no reason to be calling us liars!

Look at the upload date on the dyno video! It was made clear back in 2010, my first summer with the car, and all that was done at the time was superram, injectors, muffler, and tune. Now, look at my mods listed and what has happened since then.
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I ALREADY DID!! WTF IS WRONG WITH YOU?!

http://www.dragtimes.com/Pontiac-Tra...lip-21008.html

^^^There is the timeslip from Thompson raceway park up by Cleveland, which is also written all over the wall in my video of the run.

The numbers don't have to make sense to you, the point is I have the proof and the witnesses, and you have no reason to be calling us liars!

Look at the upload date on the dyno video! It was made clear back in 2010, my first summer with the car, and all that was done at the time was superram, injectors, muffler, and tune. Now, look at my mods listed and what has happened since then.
rock on dude
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Thanks. I just don't get why your arguing, considering I have plenty of proof, not to mention witnesses, in which you are calling him and his wife liars also, by arguing with me.
The seventh word in this selection should be "you're" instead of the possessive "your".
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Old Nov 28, 2012 | 02:31 PM
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Originally Posted by ninetyone
Nope, your gonna need at least 300hp at the wheel to run a mid 13!
bull i run high 12/13flat with 270whp with the dyno sheet and track videos to prove it, and the car wieghs 3455 with driver
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Old Nov 28, 2012 | 04:37 PM
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Originally Posted by ninetyone
Nope, your gonna need at least 300hp at the wheel to run a mid 13!
Have to disagree with you... here are a few reasons why:

1) my old '89 TPI auto Corvette ran a 13.4 at 102mph on a 1.9 60ft. Only mods were free mods, a catback, K&N drop in filter, and a AFPR. That car wasnt even pushing 250 at the wheels, let alone 300

2) my old '93 Corvette 6speed dynoed 266rwhp when it was 100% stock. Took it to the track, and on a terrible 2.1 60ft, it ran a 13.3 at 107mph. Again, nowhere near 300rwhp

3) We all know bone stock LS1s are in the 300rwhp range... heres what 300rwhp (my '99 Corvette is stock) can actually do with some good air, a well prepped track, and a set of drag radials:

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Old Nov 28, 2012 | 04:39 PM
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Originally Posted by ninetyone
Hey not saying your car is not badass. I like it and think it's pretty clean. Just having a hard time believing that time. Oh well, if you say it did then maybe you did. Enjoy your thirdgen.
Let me just clear this up for you one last time. Myself, my gf, and our son were at the track watching budfreak race. His car hooked good, he went 13.58 at 98 mph. Just because you dropped a bunch of money into a 91 and couldn't make it run ****, doesn't mean he doesn't have his ducks in a row.
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Originally Posted by CashMunson
Let me just clear this up for you one last time. Myself, my gf, and our son were at the track watching budfreak race. His car hooked good, he went 13.54 at 98 mph. Just because you dropped a bunch of money into a 91 and couldn't make it run ****, doesn't mean he doesn't have his ducks in a row.

Fix it for ya lol.
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How did we get so far off topic? I thought we were talking about the Mustang with the Inline12 in it...
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Old Nov 28, 2012 | 04:50 PM
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How did we get so far off topic? I thought we were talking about the Mustang with the Inline12 in it...
Ninetyone spoke out of his *** again, so I had to take care of it and make sure he understands his place at the bottom rung of the stupidity ladder.
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Old Nov 28, 2012 | 05:08 PM
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Originally Posted by ninetyone
bullshit, i watched the video. Didn't you see where it said 235whp? I know these cars like the back of my hand. A GTA is also the heaviest of them all! Go ahead and look up the curb weight of an average GTA.
3476lbs on average. And no, you really don't know thirdgens like the back of your hand. Your posts continue to prove basic ignorance of physics.

Originally Posted by ninetyone
Nope, your gonna need at least 300hp at the wheel to run a mid 13!
BS, Takes about 300 flywheel hp to run a mid 13 pass on average, but low 13's are possible with a good launch. My GTA's race weight was 3770lbs with junk in the trunk, and I clicked off a 13.35 @ 102.8mph. 60' was 1.97. NHRA calcs put that at about 320 flywheel hp.

Its all about Power to Weight.

A 300 flywheel hp car weighing 2000lbs would probably run in the mid 11's near 120mph. A 4000lb car with 300hp would trap about 97mph and run mid 14s. Same power, different weight, different results.

Originally Posted by ninetyone
Your only real mods are Intake manifold, headers, and maybe your gears. Emissions equipment doesn't weigh that much either.LOL
Cats are quite heavy, so is the cast manifolds and Y-pipe. Especially a dual cat car. At least 50lbs there.

Originally Posted by ninetyone
Dude, that stuff doesn't really weigh all that much.
Again, yes it does.

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why would it hurt? LOL. I don't care . I don't even own a thirdgen anymore.
Then get off the site, you add nothing to these threads except your own ignorance and arrogance.

Originally Posted by ninetyone
Then prove it. You didn't do it unless you prove it.Your videos prove nothing! Even your dyno video said you only had 235 hp at the wheel. Why is your trap speed only 98mph too? Mid 13's are usually around 104,105mph. Come on man
I posted dozens of videos proving my point in your threads time and time again, you didn't seem to learn anything there either.

235rwhp in a 3500lb car is plenty enough to make a 13 second pass of some sort. Most bone stock LT1 cars make about 230-240rwhp.
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bull i run high 12/13flat with 270whp with the dyno sheet and track videos to prove it, and the car wieghs 3455 with driver
thats turbo
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Old Nov 28, 2012 | 05:34 PM
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Originally Posted by tpivette89
Have to disagree with you... here are a few reasons why:

1) my old '89 TPI auto Corvette ran a 13.4 at 102mph on a 1.9 60ft. Only mods were free mods, a catback, K&N drop in filter, and a AFPR. That car wasnt even pushing 250 at the wheels, let alone 300

2) my old '93 Corvette 6speed dynoed 266rwhp when it was 100% stock. Took it to the track, and on a terrible 2.1 60ft, it ran a 13.3 at 107mph. Again, nowhere near 300rwhp

3) We all know bone stock LS1s are in the 300rwhp range... heres what 300rwhp (my '99 Corvette is stock) can actually do with some good air, a well prepped track, and a set of drag radials:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eTxFy6N9fIU&feature=plcp
No,no and no. Your talking about a light Corvette vs an F-body
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Old Nov 28, 2012 | 05:35 PM
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Re: l98 vs sleeper

Originally Posted by Thirdgen89GTA
3476lbs on average. And no, you really don't know thirdgens like the back of your hand. Your posts continue to prove basic ignorance of physics.


BS, Takes about 300 flywheel hp to run a mid 13 pass on average, but low 13's are possible with a good launch. My GTA's race weight was 3770lbs with junk in the trunk, and I clicked off a 13.35 @ 102.8mph. 60' was 1.97. NHRA calcs put that at about 320 flywheel hp.

Its all about Power to Weight.

A 300 flywheel hp car weighing 2000lbs would probably run in the mid 11's near 120mph. A 4000lb car with 300hp would trap about 97mph and run mid 14s. Same power, different weight, different results.

Cats are quite heavy, so is the cast manifolds and Y-pipe. Especially a dual cat car. At least 50lbs there.



Again, yes it does.



Then get off the site, you add nothing to these threads except your own ignorance and arrogance.

I posted dozens of videos proving my point in your threads time and time again, you didn't seem to learn anything there either.

235rwhp in a 3500lb car is plenty enough to make a 13 second pass of some sort. Most bone stock LT1 cars make about 230-240rwhp.
235 Wheel hp in a 3500lb car should pull a lower 14.
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