87_Camaro

I have a stock 84 305 Camaro with a brand new 4bbl rebuilt CC Q-Jet carb, an Open element K&N, open dif. rear and 3.08 gear ratio, My engine is perfectly tuned, prefect tranny fluid "ruby red", very clean engine oil "2k miles and still looks new".

the K&N really made a dif. in response and acceleration so my guess is the car is running at 165 hp and about 250-255 ft/lbs of tork.

now I wanted to know if I would be able to beat any of the newer cars like a Honda civic SI or a acura integra, what kind of cars would I be able to beat in a race with this car at all??????

the integra and civic si are butt bone stock.

so far I smoked a manual 89 Mazda 626 "I won guys "
and a 89 auto Honda prelude SI

I know weight transfer has alote to do with it, and those bastards are alote lighter than my car, im just curiouse, Im already planning on getting headers and a cat back, also a compucam camshaft.

let me know whats up.

91fbirdgta

iTrader: (1)

the integra you should take, but the si might stay w/ you cause that car i think came w/ 160 hp (also keep in mind its light as hell, and is stick)
good luck!

Endo

Depends on what kind of Integra. The normal GS-LS-RS that most of the ricers have would probably run about even with you. A GS-R Integra and a Honda Civic Si both run 15's and I don't think your car could take either of them now.

Fortunetly most ricers don't have GS-R's or Si's (at least not where I live). You could run pretty close to alot of Integras and Civics out there. Also, if you see a fairly stock civic-integra with an automatic you can probably beat it. Torqueless engines and automatics are a bad combination.

tpivette89

here's some track times from a few of my friends cars for comparison... 2000 Honda Civic SI 5speed : 16.1 (all stock), 1998 Acura Integra 5speed(non VTEC) : 15.7 (cold air induction & fart muffler). i would guess that a LG4 car would be in the low 16s to 16 flat if driven properly. my LG4 84' Z (with my brother driving) went 16.6 at 84mph. this was with the A/C belt, and air filter removed. his 60 ft time was 2.4 (it has the open end rear also), and i felt that if i was driving, i could have gotten some 2.2 60fts out of it for low 16s. if you have a auto car, manually shift it at about 4200-4500 rpms, cause the stock shift points really suck. hope that helps, and good luck!

914Mula

Look at that honda's brakes in the back. They will be disc if it is really an Si. I've busted some ricers ing me before about their "Si" when it had drums in the back...

87_Camaro

So I really do have a chance with these bad boys eh, i honestly thought i didn't have a chance.

Thanks for the encouragement, I'll be getting my Flowmaster 80 and hi flow cat on by this weekend so i'll be looking at 175-180hp
& 260-265 ft/lbs of tork , im already better then a stock L03

silentneko

how do you guys figure a stock lg4 is good for low 16's, I'd say dead stock with an auto its a 17 second car, high 16's at best. with a stick maybe mid 16's, there isn't much differenc between the two that I noticed.

tpivette89

have you seen my sig lately? i went to the track a few weeks ago, and im my completely stock LG4, with the original plugs and wires, not to mention my inexperienced 16 year old brother driving, it went 16.6 at 84mph with a 2.4 60ft. he messed up on the manual shifting, and got some bad wheelspin. with a better driver (me), im sure i could get it into the low 16s, if not 16 flat. LG4s can perform, its just that nobody races them.

silentneko

no ac belt, no filter, that makes a difference. and its a stick, like I said a stick will hit mid 16's, put your filter back in and you'll be at a high 16. no one races an lg4 because they are a family car engine, no performance. and to makethem run good you need heads and a cam, but even then your not doin to well. I have an lg4, great little engine very reliable and fuel friendly, but thats it.

tpivette89

its not a stick, its an auto (its in my sig). i manually shift it, because the factory shift points are way to early. and when does a removed air filter and cut belt classify my car as "non stock". i havent added a single performance part to it. when i run my cars at the track, i want to get the best ET possible. so i remove the filter, and free up some V-belt drag. i ice the intake, lower tire pressure, and adjust my fuel pressure when i race my vette. its called "tuning". i know the camaro is capable of a better time. look at my 60 ft. im sure even with the open rear i could get 2.2 or better. and im running the original plugs and wires (88k miles). id say thats good for 3-4 tenths off my brothers time. that puts me in the low 16s, dead stock. Someone on a different post mentioned a member here with a LG4 in the mid 13s. Hes running a set of vortec heads (with intake), a cam, and full exhaust. not bad for a carbed 305.

Hg

MAN I wish I lived there. Everyone here has GS-R's, TypeR's, Si's, all the quick stuff. One guy has a '00 black Civic Si with full DC sports exhaust, AEM cold air, Jackson S/C, and a bunch of miscellaneous tuning. Blazed a 14.1 about a month back... And everybody has sticks, when I have an auto too...

silentneko

I never said your car was not stock I said that just makes a difference, and to my knowlege no one is running an lg4 into the 13's without nitrous, plus if he replaced the heads and cam then its not an lg4 anymore. either way you look at it, you'll spend more time and money trying to make an lg4 run high 14's then it would take to make a 350 run low 13's.

89BlackBirdKid

HG what do u drive. I live in NW okc. One of my friends has a GSR Electric blue with a body kit thats pretty quick. But this guy who moved, brad Albrink has an low 11 high 10 93 mustang that was NA and tweaked out so much... Too much rich people for Oklahoma.

Hg

89BlackBirdKid: I have an '87 Z28 - 305 TPI (LB9). I'm in Midwest City, but I don't have my license yet. I go to Carl Albert. You? Do you guys go to 39th?

89BlackBirdKid

I'm a jr at pc north I cruise down there sometimes but my friend has a hosue down there I party at every weekend itstead of race my 3.4 haha. you heard of the central oklahoma f body association. Go club I'm joining. We got track day march 10th for ourselves. There server was down but its www.cofba.com.

tpivette89

what are you talking about? so youre saying if i replace the heads and cam on my vettes L98, then its not an L98? what is it then? the bottom end is still all L98. and of course its gonna take more money to make a 305 run fast. i already have a 350 to play with in my vette. the 305 in my camaro is just my daily driver, im just playing with it for fun (cant let those import kids beat a Z28!) maybe ill drop in a 350 someday, or maybe ill just play with the 305 thats in there now and see how far i can go. and ask MSS (moderator on this board), about the LG4 with the vortec stuff in the 13s, he told me about it

silentneko

if you replace the heads on a l98 then you have an l98 block but its technically not an l98 engine, an engine is characterized by the original equipment it came with, if you put those heads on an lg4 then you don't have an lg4 anymore. by the way I'm a vette fan, so hook up that 350.

85_ZED28

hey 87_Camaro

You sound a little optimistic with your pwoer gain estimates. An open element K&N will give you about 2, maybe 3hp. And a high flow cat and flowmaster wont do much behind the stock exhaust manifolds. I'd say with your mileage and mods, your running about 160 to 165HP. Plus, I doubt you'll gain much torque at all.

I'm not raggin' on your car (LG4's rock! ) just being honest.

BONES LB9

if ur goin to race one of those cars don't race them from a roll cuz those little things will rip u a new one. I made that mistake once before never again. If u race them from a stand still u might have a chance if the person in the import can't shift good.

84CamroHO

What type of Integra is it? If it is a GSR 95 and up I wouldn't race it. They are pretty fast cause they are light and have the Vtec making 170hp

YRUSOSLO

silentneko- I agree w/ you that if you change heads and cam it is no longer the same engine. I will disagree about the air and A/C delete. It's just tuning not an engine mod.

I had a 305 TBI '92 Camaro that ran 18's when I first took it to the track. I had already done the typical tune up stuff/ plugs wires/distributer&cap.

I took her home after my embarassement and put a Catco Cat on and a Dynomax SuperTurbo muffler and 2.5" piping catback/ K&N filter and underdrive pullies.

So, yes 85-zed28 the gains are small but they add up. My AUTOmatic ran a best of 16.3. This was my second time at the track so I'm sure I could've done better w/ practice at a tree. The tree was pro by the way so my reaction times weren't that great but I was very happy w/ my results.

PS what the hell is this? :lala:

silentneko

I have no idead what this is:lala:

I didn't say it was not stock or modded I just said it makes a difference, which it does, when I take my air cleaner out and drive its much faster, but when I go to the strip I will leave it in so I get real world responces.

tpivette89

i had no idea this would cause so much controversy. i removed my air filter because i figured its about the same thing as installing a K&N (which i dont have yet). when i do get one, ill keep it in when i race. and i drive around on the street with no A/C belt, maybe ill put it on when it gets hot enough, but for now i dont need it, so i ditched it. so i figure it is real world. do you guys lower tire pressure at the track? or is that not real world. and if you replace the cam and heads on your motor, what do you call it when someone asks you what you have? i am doing this to my vette in the next month, and if someone askes me ill say "L98". magazines do articles on 9 sec cars all the time and call them LT1 engines, when obviously they have had just about everything but the block replaced. unless i install a whole new engine in either car, no matter how modded they become, ill keep calling them L98 and LG4.

YRUSOSLO

tpivette89- don't sweat it- I've never before heard of anyone wanting "real world responses" A street/track car is something that you switch over to track conditions when you get there. It is Silentneko's right to drive straight up to the tree off the street w/out any changes whatsoever. I want to run lower octane on the street and higher octane at the track to save cash. I want to tune (read nonstreet) my car at the track cuz I want to squeeze every ounce out of my baby that I can. Hel# it's legal aint it? I can't very well do 16's in a quarter on the street.

As for the engine swaping and what is what. I know what you mean. It's like watching a Monte Carlo in the INDY 500 and going out to buy one thinking you can do the same thing. It's not realistic. The main question is when does modding become engine upgrade and/or changing? I guess that's left up to the individual. Now... Go forth and conquer all RICE!!!