Alright some guy at my school just bought a 98 INtegra GSR v-tech. he says it has about 180 HP, i am not sure about that tho.He wants to race tomorrow, but if i loose to him i will let down all the other camaros at our school and am dropping my new engine in, in about 2 weeks.so i dunno if i should wait, and dont want to have to make up excuses tomorrow and look like a puss. I have have a few upgrades so you think i should be able to take him.(upgrades are in signature).

 

you never specified what engine you have...if you have a L03, i would say you will lose. You need to shed those Sub boxes and the spare tire...race him tommorow and then again with the new engine. good luck

 

ya i have the 305 TBI, but i have some good traction upgrades, kick *** tranny.......i know my 2.73 ear will sow me down and wieght,but if i take out back seats, spare tire, and subs you think i might have a chance.....what if i just dump a lotof octane boost in.....j/k

 

i think if you remove all that stuff...you have more than just a chance...i think it will be a damn good race. Try that out, you might be hurt by the rear...but dont end the race early, use that lazy rear end. I wish you the best of luck...as a fellow LO3er...beat some rice.

 

1998 Integra GSR with 1.8 vtech
2660lb curb weight
170hp 128ft/lbs

Last time I checked 91 RS V8 camaros had a 3350lb curb weight
and with 170hp and an automatic transmission, you've got
no chance in he!!, even if you remove the stuff you listed, he
would still have a +500 weight advantage

However if you had tuned port injection then it would be a very close race....

And another thing, that car of his is a stick shift (another advantage in his favor), I seriuosly doubt there are any GSR's with auto's....

 

wll some ppl have told me he sucks at driving and i have a freakin racing tranny that churps 1-2 and 2-3 so i dont think tranny's will make a big differ....and i have exhaust, air filter and suspension so think the only thing he will have on me is wieght.

 

where he does have the weight to hp ratio, you have to understand that those engines make less torque than they do HP. that is why the car is so light and small...150 pounds ft. torque is nothing special. The camaro has 255 pounds ft. torque, plus the mods, to move that extra weight. Don't forget that...torque is what gets us moving.

 

Still, that 128ft/lbs of torque is doing the same amount of "work" compared to an engine that has twice as much torque as it does,
It not just how much torque an engine has (in that case we should all be driving big blocked diesels)
A more important factor is how quick that torque can "work".

As far as power curves go look at this comparision below
170hp at about 7500rpm = 120ft/lbs
at 2000rpms less (90% of 128ft/lbs)= 115ft/lbs or 120hp at 5500rpms

170hp at about 4400rpms = 203ft/lbs
at 2000rpms less (this is where its peak torque is)= 255ft/lbs or 117 hp at 2400rpms

As you can see the both engines produce the same amount of "work" before and after their upshift
And since the integra is at least 500lbs lighter, and the driver dont screw up too bad, he'll win.

**note
I didnt account for the air filter and exhaust power increases because they will not make up for the difference in weight, and when tires "churp" from 1>2 and 2>3 your losing slight traction which means your losing time, hence shorter ratios aren't always better

 

"I didnt account for the air filter and exhaust power increases because they will not make up for the difference in weight..."

How about we account for them because they do make a difference in HP....besides, you are right when you say 128lbs. ft. of torque is the same in any car, but you are ignoring the acceleration time when the camaro is making its peak, 255, and the integra is somewhere lower. You cant do a side by side comparison between the two engines shift points, they are far to different. HP is the ability to do work (more HP=more work done in given time)...torque is where the grunt comes from....because the cars have similar ability to do work once in motion...and because the camaro has more torque to get that extra 500lbs going, it will be a close race.

 

you thnik taking off my smog pump and Cat will help me win?

 

Take off as much as you can, you'll need it,
If your really that desperate, remove all the seats, except the driver's of course,

But I still think that wont be enough to beat him, however, I think that you'd be right on his tail and if he screws up shifting you'd have enough to overtake the lead.

Lets compare
HIM -----> less weight, stick shift, better gear ratio, newer car with less engine wear, better HP/weight ratio

YOU -----> better TQ/weight ratio, what else??

 

if it was nothing more then torque that makes us go faster we would all drive big rigs as was stated

also you NEED TO QUIT LOOKING AT PEAK NUMBERS

the GSR is a good motor in that once it hits the Vtec part if it's powerband it will keep making power through a wide range
also his gearing should keep him right in his powerband

from what it looks like your motor starts to drop off power real quick

also there is the gearing issue

those cars have lots of gear which can make up for quite a bit of torque. and I mean quite a bit of torque

 

calm down...no one is saying that torque is all you need. I simply meant that the extra torque is going to help move the extra weight....you can't dispute that. This is a silly discussion...we will just have to see who wins. Also...just like the TBI could use some HP, the integra wouldn't be too bad without some extra torque...I just like torquey engines (my simple opinion)whatever....cya all later

 

oh yeah forgot to add the GSR I think is a high 14 to low 15 second car

 

interesting...so then why buy a Type R, they are no faster than that. Motor Trend got one down to 14.8 and my buddy hasn't got into the 14's yet at all....is there any reason???

 

just to let you know I raced a 98 integra 5spd with i/h/e in my camaro (mods in sig) and he kept up with me up to 85 then he let off ... if he kept going I bet he would have beat me ... but that was when I had the 2.77's .... will be close. soon as u get the new motor you'll whip him.

 

One word: Autocross. The type R is an excellent car to use at an autocross, b/c of its light weight it handles really well. That's my first hand observation. They are the equal of an F- bod, untill you start to get some long straights (road course).