What would you choose? I can't decide between my 700R4 or a T5. The 700R4 has a Vigilante converter and a Transgo shiftkit. The T5 was just rebuilt and would get a decent clutch and an aftermarket shifter. As per Palric's posts, the T5 may or may not survive. I can think of several cars running good numbers on stock T5's. Hell, the 700R4 may or may not survive. The tranny will be behind my current engine. It will be a little bigger this summer. The specs can be seen in the link. The car has 4.10's(for now) and probably weighs around 3550-3600lbs with my large *** in it.

What would you do?

https://www.thirdgen.org/rides/index...ew&rideid=8366

Flaming or *** talking will not be tolerated within this thread.

Thanks,
Paul

 

We have decided to go with a WC T5 on the new car...

With the T5 you can let'er go at 4,500 at the track... and 2K on the street. Not like an auto where you pretty much have to compromise somewhere.

Plus stick is way more fun to drive.


I have seen a few and have heard of many guys running low numbers on the WC T5 with no problems. But a good clutch is a necessity. Stang Eater is running a WC T5 in his car which should be good for 12s or less.

 

The 5 spd conversion was a very good mod in my books. Even though people say it is going to break, and hey, it probably will. Then I can buy a tremec TKO, bolt in replacement from forte's, and I'm set. Let's face it, if you have the potential to lay down some low numbers, and break a bunch of T5's, the only automatic that is going to benefit your ride in any way, is going to be pretty costly as well, not to mention the cost of a good convertor nowadays. So the way I see it, both are worth the money, it just depends on your personal preference. As Johnny said, manuals are just more fun!!!

Stang Eater

 

Off the bat the auto is rated by at least 20% stronger than the manual.Its also easier to be more consistent .Then theres an issue of torque multiplication..On the other hand manual trannies have less slippage and lighter than autos..Less horsepower loss..IMO Autos are great for drag racing and manual for road racing..My pick would be the auto since 700-R4s can be made to withstand 550lbs of torque(or more)pulling a 6000 lb fullsize truck..Youre way ahead with the Vigilante too
daz

 

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Keep'em coming

 

Its actually pretty cheap for a 450HP/450lbs/ft 700R4

I would say $1500-$2000 CAN if youre not doing it yourself..It cost me $800 for mine and its still alive on its 4 yrs now..(Trans-Go w/ vette servo,GM full throttle sleeve,semi manual valve body..boost valves,Viton seals and 9 band on third)..I also had more than 400 passes on it tough the maxed out S10 converter might need re-touching

Daz

 

common don't be afraid to tell us the truth...

it's ok that you don't know how to drive standard

lol j/k

btw, about the seat covers, you're telling me u'll give me $20 and you want me to deliver? wtf do i look like lol it's either $30 and i deliver or $20 and you come pick up haha

 

why not a t 56?

stick for sure. but i dont think the t5 should be your only choice.

 

Don't hijack my thread, assclown. From what I saw at Sparta, you shouldn't even be kidding people about not being able to drive stick.

Dante, you're not really gonna buy this guys Walmart type R seat covers, are you?

 

If I was gonna spend the jack on a T56 i'd just get a TKO. And i'd have to sell a kidney to finance it. If I get a new tranny, you should buy my converter

 

Ya isnt EasySpeed the one who keeps burning out his clutches??

I am sort of undecided on this on, auto vs. t-5....yes I do think the auto is stronger like daz said...but the manual is definatly more enjoyable to drive.

 

 

SOLD..Ill pick it up

Daz

 

I would rather go to a T56..Easier on the engine and better for economy more so with a 4.10..but if its only the 700R4 vs. T5..Ill pick the 700R4..For every surviving T5 there are 10 700R4's.This is considering youre gonna beat on it ALL THE TIME..Like the way you normally do

Ill buy the seat covers for my truck,it gets dirty on parts run and such

Type R Suburban!!

Daz

 

what did you see at sparta? me running a 15.1 without a g92? yeah man i can't drive stick

lol

 

I say go for it. The fun factor is great. As Palric said...auto is good for the drag and manual for streets. The way I look at it.....I will be putting in my non WC T5 one day simply because I love my car and I love 5 speeds. I want to cruise with a manual. As for the track, thats once or twice a year thing for me now. I don't want to kill my car too much Dave (cruz'n) has a T5 behind a 383 if I'm not mistaken and as he said before and will always say...as long as you shift properly and not like an "assclown"(from your previous post) you'll be just fine. Just make sure you have a good clutch and your all set.

 

Hey guys,

I totally agree with everything Palric said.

For my case, I decided T-56 due to the fact my 700 needed a rebuild, would have cost about $1200 for what I was looking for. I ended up scoring the T-56 for under that and installed it with the total bill coming to about $1450 cdn, doing all the work myself. BTW that was with everything used, clutch, flywheel and all. Clutches alone are about $800 for that sucker.

How may guys would love to have a T-56? I'd go standard, the car is almost twice as fun to drive as before. It's not a comuter anymore, so I don't have to worry about the traffic with the tall 1st gear, 6th (0.5:1) is awesome on the highway, you can't even hear the engine over wind noise when cruising.

What about tossing in the T5 and search for the T56 until a deal comes up, then swith it??

 

 

I'd bet my left nut that Richard or Gerritt could get that thing into the 14's. Man, you can dish it out but you can't take it. Please confine your ignorance to the appearance boards.

Thanks,
Paul

I'm leaning towards switching to the T5. Dave and I are gonna have to pay a visit to the dirt that's got my setup.

 

Daz, I treat my car with nothing but respect

I hear what you're saying about durability issue. My first 700R4 lasted about 700kms behind the new engine. The second one is still working great with only some minor mods. What do you have to say about all the 5.0L's running good numbers on T5's? Is it the lighter weight of the car? Less torque? Or do they go through T5's like socks too?

 

I would say its the less torque generated by the 305's. Both Gerritt and Richard were in the sub 300 ft/lb range (I think someone had a peak 290 ft/lb?) at the rear wheels with the drivetrain loss are still under 350 ft/lb at the flywheel. The same can't be said for 350+ blocks which even stock were showing 300+ ft/lb at the rear wheels with auto. With what you are intending it's going to take a good amount of luck to hope your T-5 is strong enough to handle the abuse you'll dish out.

I'd say go with the T-5 at first and beat on it in and around near you with close inspections every few weeks to see how it handles. You will still have the 700r4 waiting for you if it busts.

 

 

Automatics depress the hell out of me but it looks like I'm stuck with another one because I can't afford a TKO or after-market T56 just now and still do the other stuff that the car needs. So in goes a TH350.

My truck has a 5 speed and most of the time it's more fun to drive than the TA.

 

It's up to you Paul.
Personally, I would drop in the T5, cause the 700 is already starting to slip. We both know that. All these guys that drop $2000 bux into a t56 swap... which will be no good for you after the work is all done anyways, cause you'll be well over 450ft lbs.
At least with the t5, if it does breaK, WE FIND ANOTHER ONE FOR A HUNDRED BUX AT THE WRECKERS, AND DROP IT IN IN AN HOUR AND DRIVE IT TILL IT BLOWS.

 

let me know when its time to sell the converter. hay march i will even have the engine out

 

Mustangs are lighter and 5.0's like tall gearing..top end..Dont expect the T-5 to last if youre doing low 13's..Tremecs were specifically created for Mustangs cause they break a lot..They even have T-5 gear upgrades which only helps the T-5 a bit.If you really want a manual save for the T-56 just make sure you clutch really good cause theyre not cheap..lol..FYI Jet makes 700's for 600lbs/ft torque 6000lb trucks..My opinion with your combo(AFAIK) an auto is better..Superram,big cubes and LPE cams are torque designed.And for you to use that torque you need to plant the tires (be it for drag or road race)which I dont the T-5 will like.I think a full manual reverse valve bodied Auto would be perfect..

Daz

 

lol you started it i was just joking around with you.

it's not my fault my fault the guy who does transmissions at my mechanic didn't know **** about doing a clutch properly.

i can drive standard perfectly thank you very much.

 

 

Hey Paul.. just swap to the T-5... I owned a Auto camaro before my 92 and it was night and day...T-5 is so much fun to drive. You have so much conrol over your car compared to Auto.. But if you are going to drag it lots... GO AUTO... if you want alot of fun go 5 speed.. LIke you said about the T56 " you might aswell save up for a Tremec" I was thinking about getting a tremec this spring but jesus I got so much other stuff on the go aswell.. So I am thinking of getting a rebuild kit for the WC T-5 and just baby it for a year and hope for the best.. SO IF ANYONE KNOWS HOW TO REBUILD A T5 I THINK WE NEED TO GET TOGETHER.. I know when I get a set of heads for the setup I am thinking about running there is no way the T5 will hold up...

So I am telling you!! go with the T5 if you have it and can do it cheaply..

I will let you know how a stock 700r4 holds up.. I am helping a friend get a Superram,2032 cam,TFS heads and SLP headers this spring.. I think it will make alot of torque to kill any stock 700R4.

WISH YOU THE BEST OF LUCK.. BUDDY!

 

Auto. I for one don't feel like pissing around shifting gears when I'm in stop and go traffic.

Plus I get a kick out of the idea that my car and my truck have very similar trannies.

 

I run a 15.1 @93 2.2-60ft'rs with my T-5 ....... stock with Ramair and a MSD coil ( whoopppyyy ) ....oh ya ..... the car has 234'000 km's on it. The T-5 **** the bed ....but that is waht happens when you drive it with bad bearings for a summer ( one session at the track DID NOT HELP )

anyhow ....I am gettnig that TKO 5 speed they are rated at 450 ft/lbs ....but I hear with the conversion by fortes ( new input shaft, etc ) they are higher than that. Besides I like the idea of useing the stock clutch setup ....as stated above ....price a T-56 clutch verses a t-5 ...... heck!!!! price out a centreforce II verses a stock t-56 clutch!

anyhow I hear ya on the stop and go trafic issue .....my clutch leg was jiggleing after an hour of stop and go !

the Auto ....IMO is NOT an option

 

My opinion:

I have done a 5 speed swap and from my experience the car is totally different after the swap is finished. The fun factor goes right up and the car is faster. T5's can be found easily and can be swapped out easily if they break. Plus there is nothing like ripping through a H pattern with your foot to the floor. I will never own a auto again (unless a really nice car comes along).

Paul

 

You could have the awsome TH-200 like me Man, that has to be good enough to handle 500 ft...err.. in/lbs of torque!!!! Go with the 700R4. That's what I'm going to do. (Better for me here in London with the stop and go traffic). Just make sure you find an '87 or later one. They were re-worked and are a little more durable than the earlier ones. A B&M or TCI trans-kit would help as well.

 

PM me if you want one... I am in London and I have a '91 700R4 for sale. I used it for one season.. no slipping.

 

 

Yes he is... and it will hold up to 525LBS of torque if you get the TKO II... and it is$3600bucks CDN but you have to get it here from the states.. Masschusettes

 

5 speed is cool. but 700R4 is better. Specially if its built to go. No slip, firm, i mean firm as h e l l!!!!! shifts, bolts you to your seat. Dead stop, foot bolted to the floor, and BANG, into second, BAng into Third, and Bang into fourth. nothin better. but it has to be built. like mine

 

what's with all the bang bang bang?

http://members.rogers.com/z28/funny.swf

 

Auto's are for panzies. if you really want a " bang", slam a 5 speed into 3rd around 6000rpm and light the tires up.
Give up the whole auto vs manual ****. Unless your running a trans brake and like a 4000 stall you'll never launch harder than a manual.

 

Paul,

Dont you love it when your R4 vs T5 thread turns into an auto vs manual tranny debate after you specifically asked that this is not an auto vs manual debate..lol..and here's me adding my 2 cents thats not relevant to either of the topics?..lol

Daz

 

I OWN all of Paul's threads.

He's got lots of time to start a new one, being gimped up and all

Anyways, debate is over, we're throwing the T5 in his Z, whether he likes it or not.

 

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I fully expected it to happen.

 

I had a very hard launching 3850 lbs unconnected(no subframes) car last year with asn AUTO and a 3500stall in my stock rebuilt th-350. i went 1.73's in the 60-ft. Any well matched combo will net good 60-ft's if thats what your trying to do. A massive stall doesnt always get you the best 60-ft

I would personally stay auto as it will save you many headaches & you already have a very good converter.

Also you dont have to go through all the changeover work just for more headaches int he end..

IMO that is.