Here guys .....read this .....btw.....it is long but i think it could work !!

http://www.ccfbg.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=23

 

Sounds good.....

Those of you that have a diesel truck/car how about home brew biodiesel http://biodiesel.infopop.net/2/OpenTopic and drive pass all those gas stations!

 

It's a flawed theory, plain and simple.

call them brand X, and brand Y.

Brand X is the gas we're boycotting, so everybody buy's brand Y instead.

Brand X sees their business going in the ****ter, so they lower their prices.

The next step in the posted theory was that brand Y would lower their price to match brand X. This is the error.

Since everybody is buying brand Y, why would Brand Y see any reason to match Brand X's price cut?

The only thing that would make brand Y lower prices to match brand X is if people started "crossing the line" and buying brand X.


I'm sorry, but the idea just doesn't hold water.

A more reasonable suggestion would be for everyone to start using the gas pump that has 10% ethanol in it. If it were possible (it isn't) to get everyone to do that, petro consumption would go down roughly 10%, which should be reflected in pump prices.

The problem with that one, however, is that ethanol is more costly than gasoline, so this isn't going to save anyone any money. However, it would result in buying less oil from middle east terrorists, and mean we'd be sending them less money to blow us up with.

 

Well said !!......i think Sunoco has 10% in their 94 Octane ??
explains why their 2 cents more for their top-end fuel Vs comp !!

 

u cant do anything to stop high gas prices

the us should just attack iraq to take over their oil fields and lower gas prices for everyone

 

don't forget how much tax we pay on gas guys. How about a variable tax rate? So instead of paying the 30% or whatever it is goverment tax we do pay per litre on gas we pay say 15% when it gets as high as 80+ I'm not using exact feasable numbers but a variable tax rate seems like a very sensible and feasible solution to me. It's been talked about before many times of course but I don't think the goverment will be giving into that idea anytime soon.

 

First of all the gas prices are going up because of a stike in Venezuelan. This is where the US gets the majority of its oil from(70%).The only reason we the United States cares what is going on in the middle east is that we don't want a dictator to have control of the oil fields. That would give them unlimited power to support there terrorist ways.

 

Actually the price of the GAS is cheaper up here than it is in the states, considering the exchange rate. It's the govt that is giving us the shaft. Believe it or not.....

The variable tax thing sounds pretty cool.....

 

Well, you boycott brand X's gas till the prices drop, once they lower their price you start to buy their gas again and then Brand Y will have to lower their price to compensate.Then if brand X raises their prices again the boycott is on. Lets say we tell everyon to boycott Petrocan until the price drops to $.067 a litre. Once it hits that level you can buy gas from them, if it goes over the boycott is on again. As a consumer what do you have to loose? Nothing! Give it a try people, for once it would be nice to see Canadians doing something other than bitching about it!

 

Uhh... That's the idea, at least that's the point of the version I read last year (not gonna read it again). It could work, although an unrealistically large number of people would have to be in on it.

 

Not necessarily. When I'm living in Rhode Island, I'm usually paying about $1.47 US a gallon. Doing the math... I get 3.78litres to a gallon, mmmm, carry the one, pull out the calculator...

Which is $0.3234 USD per litre, and with the current exchange, that gives us... Roughly $0.47 CDN per litre.

Also, that's not the cheapest I've seen in the US. Once, when in NJ I saw gas for EIGHTY CENTS A GALLON!! I wanted to fill every container in my car with gas! I couldn't believe it! This was in Atco, NJ.

 

BWAHHAHAHAHAH this is coming from the "hump your daughter in yer tractor LS6 loving, give me 8 cylinders or give death CROWD??????" If you americans would take your heads out of your patriotic *** and want to do something...stop crying about the firebird/camaro and buy HONDA/TOYOTA. Also remove your "moron" from office please. He is looking more and more desperate everyday.....

 

When I was living in California, they had the highest gas prices in all of the US, but that was still cheap compared to living here in Ontario... its crazy how much more we're paying for gas here...

 

Well- moving on past automorph's useless and inflammatory BS above-

Boycotting does not work if you only boycott one retail chain- at least not from a very direct perspective.

Retailers share the same "base stock" from the refineries- the distribution points differ as to who 'owns' them- look at the Suncor yard in Downsview (Toronto)- all the majors take gas out of there- Petro-C, Esso, Sunoco, Pioneer, Shell. The additive package for each retailer is different- but if the tanks in Downsview were last filled by Imperial Oil- you're getting Esso base stock with a Petro-C additive package if you go to a Petro-C station.

Also- what most people are totally unaware of is that the oil companies are most definetly in collusion with one another and have been since the start of the 20th Century (not the 21st as we're in now). They have, and do, trade "credits" in marketshare. What this means is that every year, each company is assigned a quota based on the last years market share they had. For example, if Suncor had 25% of the Canadian fuel market and this translated to 800 million litres of gasoline- their quota for the following year would be roughly 800 million litres. If Imperial Oil somehow stole business directly from Suncor so that the following year Suncor only had 20% market share, or translated (the numbers I am making up here for this example) 640 million litres- their following years quota would be adjusted to 640 million litres and Imperial Oil would have to transfer 160 million litres of gasoline it sold above its quota to Suncor for the previous year. Imperial Oil's quota for the new year would go up 160 million litres.

The point is: when you boycott a specific retail outlet, the retailer (i.e. Hajeeb at the counter) gets hurt- but the producer that owns the chain (i.e. say Petro-Canada) is not affected until after the current year is over and the new quotas are assigned and the gas transfer credits have all been processed. At that point it gets a bit funny as to how the oil companies deal with it- but may result in one oil company buying a particular refining operation from another. All the gas and oil we get as end-user consumers is very heavily controlled and mandated by the companies (totally against competition laws and such- but that's another discussion).

The reason boycotting company 'A' MIGHT work is that the oil companies, while not worried about losing any money anytime soon, might decide that the end-user consumer (you and me) are starting to get effin' serious about things- serious enough to start getting co-ordinated. The old theory of "divide and conquer" the consumers is how the oil companies rule.

As for a variable government tax system: too easy to abuse. Let the government pick an arbitrary amount of tax they should receive from fuel sales (i.e. say 25 cents per litre) and this varies annually based on the previous years price increase or decrease- say for 2003 they would vary the 25 cents up or down based on what fuel prices did between all of 2001 and 2002- if prices on raw oil went up over an annual average of 10%- they get 10% more for 2003- i.e. 27.5 cents total. Then the price of fuel to you and I will only be affected by what the oil companies do/change.

Right now- we have 2 parties of extreme greed and virtually no concern for the consumer determining things- the government and the oil companies. If we can flatten one of the 2 parties to a pure 'numbers' game that is easy to understand-i.e. the gov't and 25 cents a litre- they have a lot less room to fiddle around in, and then the government has no direct interest in the price of gas at the pumps- right now if the price goes up- they see an immediate addition to their income. We, as taxpayers and consumers are the 'walking wallets' of the world.

Also- the figure of 70% of US-bought oil coming from Venezuela is 'in the ballpark'. Also Venezuela is pumping some oil again. This "war" bit in the Middle East is an excuse to crank prices. Iraq in particular has only been able to trade oil for staple goods (i.e. food and medical supplies) for the last 12 years under the UN embargo- and virtually all the oil it produces (a fraction of 1 per cent of wordlwide consumption) flows mainly into Europe.

 

No, I'm humping YOUR daughter in YOUR tractor.

pay attention

 

Ummmmm no but in the near future Saddam's republican guard may be humping yours..........BTW : I ain't the one in the hillbilly town of concordia, never owned a V8 never will, never owned a tractor

 

Then why are you here automorph? Why don't you get a life and go somewhere where somebody really gives damn about what you have to say.

If you're not a fan of V8 power- then why come here? Do you suffer from some sort of mental disability? Keyboard broken on your PC and you can't get the mouse pointer off the bookmark for this site?

If all this is sooo offensive to you- then go out and lobby someone about how all V8s should be outlawed- but stop wasting our time and the site's space with extraneous, irrelevant crap.

Frankly, if this is all you have to do with your time I feel sorry for you.

 

I am here because I drive a 1989 2.8 V6 automatic firebird HENCE "THIRDGEN"

Last time I looked this was THIRDGEN.ORG not 700ciV8.org

 

Automorph: Listen .....Eric has a point .....that post was not nessesary .........i'm not taking sides here ......but come on ..... comments like that are not needed .....everyone is entitled to their opinion .......this is a big problem ........ we should hear everyones opinion ......it might just help us all out .

Mark

 

Great- then why to do have to post things that barely, if at all, address the topic at hand and only seem directed at starting pointless arguments?

What if everyone here took the attitude that the 2.8L engine was the biggest POS ever made? I'm sure we could find a few people here and there to go along with this easily enough.

Do the V8 people ride you continuously and negatively making snide remarks about your country, family or other personal choices?

Get the picture? Remember the "golden rule"? You wanna start this type of <discussion>(?) be prepared to get beaten upon by anyone/everyone who thinks you're acting like a child.

 

To all ..

I would not waste any more time with automorph. He clearly is just jealous of America.

 

Ahem, BIG fact already pointed out, US get 80% of oil from other sources.

US have never directly dealt with "TERRORISTS" to buy oil, They may or may not have dealt with ARABIAN (keyword not "terrorists") people for oil. SAUDI ARABIA continues to back US why? who knows

Ignorant americans love to point fingers at the easiest targets when they get back what they have been dishing out for the past 30 years.

 

Here is a "snide" remark for you.

I would like to see how you fair against my pos V6 with your "V8power"

 

BWAHAHAHAHAHAH jealous of what????

1. Your peabrained dictator.....who without his speechwriter would sound like an inbred, chickenfeed fed bigot

2.Your 1st world country with a crime rate, prisoners, general psychotic behavior that of a 3rd world country

3.Your great skill to creating double standards

4. Teaching the world how not to get the rest of the world to hate your country

You must be crazy, I am fine in the non-meddling, great country of Canada- where we sleep well without the orange alert and firearm under our pillow

 

Look at the exchange rate AND TAXES we pay less for the fuel itself. Get the big picture......not just one example.
I dare you to find gas for 1.47 now, I know diesel is over 1.85 in many states and that's suppose to be the cheaper dirty fuel.

http://www.taxpayer.com/Facts/Provin...sTaxes2002.pdf

 

automorph, if you're finished making yourself and by extension every other Canadian on this forum look bad, please go away. Your silly, immature little comments have no bearing on the topic of this thread.

 

http://www.newjerseygasprices.com/

Ummm, nothing personal buddy! Don't worry, I'm sure you can still win the extra special award with your foot in your mouth!

 

Hey man I'm just posting what the govt. has worked out. Look at the graph(at the above link)of US and Canadian price/liter in Canadian dollars excluding tax. That's all I was saying.......

1.47 good show,as for the .80 would you trust that price. I mean what kind of quality is it if everyone else is selling for much more.

 

QUOTE]Originally posted by automorph
Ahem, BIG fact already pointed out, US get 80% of oil from other sources. [/QUOTE]

ok, so 20% of billions and billions is just peanuts, huh?

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Oh, ok. So you can assume I'm a tractor-driving cousin-humpin *******, because I live in a small town in the midwest, but if I want to assume someone's a terrorist because they've got a turban on their head and they live in the middle east, I'm wrong?

If you want to tell me I'm wrong, fine. When you tell me I'm wrong, and do the same thing I did, in the same breath, it does nothing for your credibility.

[/B]I had enough class not to disrespect your country. You could use some good taste, and reply in like kind.