86 peanut cam, why?
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Car: 89 FORMULA 350, 91 Z28 Convertible
Engine: ls1, LB9
Transmission: t56, Auto
Axle/Gears: S60/ 3.73
I think it was because the 85 tpi had problems with emissions and to fix that they changed the ecm and cam also the mass air flow from what I have heard??
Rumor had it that in '85 the IROC's performance was way too close to that of the corvette, as in almost exactly the same. And we all know that none of the cars made by GM were allowed to crowd the performance of the flagship.
which 85 engine are we talking about? Even the lb9 tpi has a 55ftlbs dis advantage compared to the vettes l98, and a carbed car would be left behind pretty quick.
lb9
0-60 7.0 1/4 15.2
vette l98
0-60 5.7 1/4 14.1
I think it had more to do with emissions than a threat to the vette. Its clear there isnt one.
lb9
0-60 7.0 1/4 15.2
vette l98
0-60 5.7 1/4 14.1
I think it had more to do with emissions than a threat to the vette. Its clear there isnt one.
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Originally posted by nsimmons
which 85 engine are we talking about? Even the lb9 tpi has a 55ftlbs dis advantage compared to the vettes l98, and a carbed car would be left behind pretty quick.
lb9
0-60 7.0 1/4 15.2
vette l98
0-60 5.7 1/4 14.1
I think it had more to do with emissions than a threat to the vette. Its clear there isnt one.
which 85 engine are we talking about? Even the lb9 tpi has a 55ftlbs dis advantage compared to the vettes l98, and a carbed car would be left behind pretty quick.
lb9
0-60 7.0 1/4 15.2
vette l98
0-60 5.7 1/4 14.1
I think it had more to do with emissions than a threat to the vette. Its clear there isnt one.
ok we are talking about the lb9 yeah its only 15 hp, but how much weight? 2-300lbs? im not sure, my 84 weights 3100 dry with no driver, the 85 will be the same. Whats the camaros weight?
The vette is more aerodynamic, and those times are from different magazines, i listed the most common ones i found.
The lb9's time matches similar to what my car ran stock with 205hp and the l98s times are comparible to what my car runs now, with about 230hp, the same as the 85 l98.
So it does stand to reason that its not as simple as a 15hp difference.
I do know my stock 205hp 84 vette is faster than the 215hp 87 t/a i used to own. And there both a lot slower that the 91 vette i had a year ago. Even modified with about 230hp my 84 is still a good deal slower that the 250hp 91. Its not the 20hp that makes the difference its the 50ftlbs difference.
Also gearing could play a role? Whats gears where on the 85 iroc? An 85 vette would come with 3.07's or 3.43's
The vette is more aerodynamic, and those times are from different magazines, i listed the most common ones i found.
The lb9's time matches similar to what my car ran stock with 205hp and the l98s times are comparible to what my car runs now, with about 230hp, the same as the 85 l98.
So it does stand to reason that its not as simple as a 15hp difference.
I do know my stock 205hp 84 vette is faster than the 215hp 87 t/a i used to own. And there both a lot slower that the 91 vette i had a year ago. Even modified with about 230hp my 84 is still a good deal slower that the 250hp 91. Its not the 20hp that makes the difference its the 50ftlbs difference.
Also gearing could play a role? Whats gears where on the 85 iroc? An 85 vette would come with 3.07's or 3.43's
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I believe the new cam was for fuel milage and emissions reasons. The 85 IROC was nowhere close to the Vette in terms of performance. Most of the times in my pile of 85 magazines shows the TPI IROC running mid 15 second 1/4s, which is a good second slower than an 85 Vette. Being within 15 rated hp of the vette was not likely to be the reason. Look at the 1991 model year: 245 hp for the L98 f-body, 250hp for the Vette. Vette was still substantially faster.
I READ THE ARTICLE ON THE 85 TPI IROC AND TA WHERE THEY RACED EACH OTHER THE IROC RAN 14.93 WHILE THE TA WAS CLOSE BEHIND AT 15.10 THIS WAS THE FACTORY RACING THESE TO CARS I WISH I COULD FIND THAT ARTICLE FOR YOU GUYS THEY SAY THAT BOTH THE TA AND IROC HAD AUTO'S WITH 3.42 GEARS
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From: Readsboro, VT
Car: 85 IROC-Z / 88 GTA
Engine: 403 LSx (Pending) / 355 Tuned Port
Transmission: T56 Magnum (Pending) / T5
Axle/Gears: 3.42 / ?
You couldn't get 3.73 with TPI, and if somebody was running 14.7 with an 85 IROC, it definately wasn't stock. That's about what the 87 L98s ran. The 85 IROC was a mid 15 second car on a good day.
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From: Cincy, OH
Car: 1986 Trans Am
Engine: 305 TPI peanut cam
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Huh there Jim?
My 1986 WS6 with peanut cam and 2.77 gears runs 15.6 all day long, BONE STOCK! add 25 hp and better 3.27 optional gear, 14's would be fairly easy with a good driver.
My 1986 WS6 with peanut cam and 2.77 gears runs 15.6 all day long, BONE STOCK! add 25 hp and better 3.27 optional gear, 14's would be fairly easy with a good driver.
Originally posted by madmax
3.42 or 3.73?
Pretty sure you couldnt get a 3.73 with the TPI in 85. I know my 85TA TPI had a 2.77 rear in it, 3.27 was optional.
3.42 or 3.73?
Pretty sure you couldnt get a 3.73 with the TPI in 85. I know my 85TA TPI had a 2.77 rear in it, 3.27 was optional.
Last edited by Morley; Jun 28, 2002 at 12:46 PM.
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