now that there is cool blue and a air hog high flow reuseable air filters out on the market whcih one actually flows better???

jegs just bumped their k&n's for the tpi tp 60 a pair instead of 50

but what are the other two running?? which one is overall better

 

If you bought your K & N filters before any price increase why do you care. One set will last the lifetime of the car. Also I don't want any ******* Air Hogs on my car ( what a marketing name).

 

Run this as a poll and you'll get more response. I stick with what works...K&N.

 

well i dont have K&N's, i had one on my 92 rs tbi but not the z. i konw k&n works but if the other two flow better/the same and are considerably cheaper (which they probably arent)then i would go woth those. besides, i just wanted to see what everynoes opinions were for the tpi

 

Well, I can tell you that K&N is the best and most expensive for a reason. IT'S BETTER! Also, if you know anything about filters, especially oil, you would never buy a fram. They suck at holding back particles. Wix and AC Delco are what i use. There may be another but it certainly isnt Fram. Just talk to any good mechanic and you will see. I was shown the difference. The filters you mentioned may be cheaper but the old adage is still true. You get what you pay for.

 

IIRC Accel is a foam based rather than gauze. Have not had the opportunity to inspect the Air Hogs yet.

Cap, FRAM oil filters suck for the way they are built. Haven't seen one iota for a bad thing on their air filters. Granted I don't buy them because of the quality of their oil filters and the fact that in recent years they have not exactly been producing their own stuff. I also wouldn't jump to the conclusion that K&N is the best out there, and equating cost to quality is a fallacy at best. Wally world oil filters, last I checked, were of Champion Labs manufacture. None too bad at all and cheap as hell. Especially compared to the FRAM ones.

Air Filter Studies:

http://www.caddyinfo.com/airfilterstudy2.htm
http://www.caddyinfo.com/airfilterstudy.htm

I’ve posted this one at least a half dozen times:
http://www.fordmuscle.com/archives/2...rs/index.shtml


Overview of oil filters, how they work, a response from FRAM:
http://motorcycleinfo.calsci.com/Filters.html

Oil Filter:
(Original afaik)
http://minimopar.knizefamily.net/oilfilterstudy.html

 

[QUOTE]Originally posted by Red Devil
[B]IIRC Accel is a foam based rather than gauze. Have not had the opportunity to inspect the Air Hogs yet.

Cap, FRAM oil filters suck for the way they are built. Haven't seen one iota for a bad thing on their air filters. Granted I don't buy them because of the quality of their oil filters and the fact that in recent years they have not exactly been producing their own stuff. I also wouldn't jump to the conclusion that K&N is the best out there, and equating cost to quality is a fallacy at best. Wally world oil filters, last I checked, were of Champion Labs manufacture. None too bad at all and cheap as hell. Especially compared to the FRAM ones.

Have you ever cut open some oil filters to compare them? I have. I named the two brands I know of off hand that work. AC Delco and Wix. If you like something else thats ok too. I tend to be skeptical of any "tests" done on comparisons. Most of them are paid for by one of the brands being tested. I will clarify my statement on K&N...IMHO they are the best. As far as equating cost to quality...I'm sorry but that has been an old adage for years simply because in most cases it is TRUE. You wont see me buying a filter from wally world even if it was made by AC Delco or Wix. Its like comparing frosted flakes to the no name brand...GROSS!! The one that costs less may even have been made by Kelloggs but its still a lower quality cereal. How the hell did I start talking about cereal?
Anyway, do your own testing. See for yourself. To me that is the best way.

 

alot of talk for zero data

 

i just got around to reading those links and thanks Red!! there was some very good info there

 

Yes I have, for years, why is that important with regard to this discussion?

Haven't really looked through that oil filter test have you? Nor the first two on the air filters either? Oil one has been around for years and most of it has been confirmed independantly. Hell, I've done quite a few of those filters myself. IIRC the guy was having some problems with the manufacturers in the beginning. Remember he is just inspecting the build quality, not flow characteristics, you can find that in lab results. I'd find it hard to beleive those are paid by anyone other than us.


While the old adage reamins true (in certain context) a few other ones hold as well. To blatantly hold to an adage is a fallacy. But gauze is not that expensive a material, neither is rubber. The most expensive thing on the K&N filter is the steel. Funny, I think the paper filters have that as well.

This, with regard to oil filters, well why retool or produce something differently and add cost to the process when you can just continue to manufacture the same and just paint the can a different color?

Furthermore, why the big stink on oil filters? I included the info for review. My reply dealt mainly with AIR filters, of which I noted that FRAM has not had any bad reviews (that I am aware of) in that regard. And Cereal is really a bad comparison. Recipies are protected for a reason. Were you hungry when replying?