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Old Jun 24, 2007 | 01:26 PM
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What so bad about them?

I have read all over that you are wasting your time building a 335 stroker . Why?

They sell the stroker kit for $850-$900 fully balanced
and for about $1000 you can have it forged?

From what I have read it will still be slow meaning it will prob run 14 flat or maybe a high 13.


http://www.cardomain.com/ride/262003

This guy built one with the same thing im talking about with a mild cam and 2.73 gears and ran 13.4???? What is wrong with that, Thats starting to touch stock ls1's

With good gears, he could be beating ls1's, i dont know I guess some epinions on what you guys think would be good.
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Old Jun 24, 2007 | 02:27 PM
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Re: What so bad about them?

Why waste all that time and money on a 305 when you can spend it on a 350 and have 383ci and have zero problems with stock LS1's?
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Old Jun 24, 2007 | 02:41 PM
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Re: What so bad about them?

And I agree but that means you have to spend more money to get a 350 block?
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Old Jun 24, 2007 | 03:59 PM
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Re: What so bad about them?

Simple name of the game is cylinder filling.

Bigger bore with the same heads will flow more air almost without fail.

That and the price differences are so negligible its not worth it unless on an extreme budget.

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Old Jun 24, 2007 | 11:05 PM
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Re: What so bad about them?

I cant see spending more than a couple hundred on a block, maybe even less. You can get that back selling the 305 shortblock and you're out nothing.

I suppose if you could just drop in the stroker crank, there would be more of them but since it requires clearancing the block, its a waste of time on a small bore block.
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Old Jun 24, 2007 | 11:29 PM
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Re: What so bad about them?

Well, I see it like this...u can get a 350 block for about $200 and then get a basic 383 stroker kit with hyper. pistons for about $700 so $900 total. Its like the old saying goes, even if you pay $200 more for a 383 than a 335....there's no replacement for displacement.
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Old Jun 24, 2007 | 11:53 PM
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Re: What so bad about them?

thats Chris's camaro and its a quick car from the video's and time slips I've seen...

I say go for it. most people say 'why' and just go for a 350. I say 'why not'! If you've got a healthy 305, why not use it? hell, thats what I am doing... using up my 305 until it gives. I like pushing things to the limit and I'd like to see what a 305 can do..,

then I'll go for the 350.
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Old Jun 25, 2007 | 09:45 AM
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Re: What so bad about them?

a 335, with the right build, cam, stall and gears (if auto) and the right induction.. would be an easy low 13 sec car.. what the hell is wrong with that? its one hell of a pony stomper,, not to mention adding a power adder like some boost or nos and you can possibly run 11's.. hell, ive seen stock 305 blocks with 125 shots on here running mid 12's..
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Old Jun 25, 2007 | 10:29 AM
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Re: What so bad about them?

The 305's small bores (3.74") limit the airflow potential. Almost all the aftermarket heads out there are made for a 350's 4" bore. A 305 stroker makes for a very poor rod to stroke ratio, which increases cylinder wear and increases the chance of failure. Stroking a 305 requires extra machine work, extra time and effort, and doesnt provide as much in return. For the money spent buying the crank and preparing the block, you can buy a standard late-model roller 350 block, better heads than a 305, and a good camshaft, and run 12's.
No offense to the other guys, but 3.8TransAm, Madmax, and myself have been around this board for 10+ years, and we've seen everything attempted. We know what works and what doesnt. Please trust us. Stroking a 305 is nothing more than a waste of a 3.75" crank that could have built a 383.
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Old Jun 25, 2007 | 12:43 PM
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Re: What so bad about them?

Building a 335 will cost the same as building a 383 and it will make about the same power per cubic inch as the 383 so the real question you need to ask is why do you want the 335? If you want it to be different from everyone else and still make decient power the build the 335.
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Old Jun 25, 2007 | 02:33 PM
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I dont understand the being different part myself. Being different and slower is still slower. If you want to do it for a few MPG, ok, fine with me. Being different... silly. The blocks are identical on the exterior, so unless someone is reading off casting numbers nobody will know. There's nothing wrong with working with what you've got until you start putting things on that cant be removed (clearancing a block) or things you wouldnt put on a 350 (1.94 instead of 2.02 valves, etc) but once the block comes out, not much sense in dumping money in it just to say you've got a 305.
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Old Jun 26, 2007 | 12:40 AM
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Re: What so bad about them?

Well that guy with the stoker kit doesn't only have a stroker kit, he also has major suspension work and a good cam and all the goodies. I think you can build a 383 stoker or put the goodies in a 350 and you wont need all the suspension and stuff to go 13's. I do think 305's have it in them but for the price I say 350.
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Old Jun 26, 2007 | 04:28 AM
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Re: What so bad about them?

heck i will give you a 350 roller motor
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Old Jun 26, 2007 | 10:25 AM
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Re: What so bad about them?

If you want to be "different", tell everyone you used a 350 crankshaft and stroked your 283 engine to make a 305.
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Old Jun 26, 2007 | 10:39 AM
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Re: What so bad about them?

They seldom make the power due to the small bore size.

They cost about the same as a 383.

They disappoint in the end for the money spent.
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Old Jun 26, 2007 | 07:49 PM
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Re: What so bad about them?

Different is getting waxed by a 355, never mind the 383!
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Old Jun 26, 2007 | 09:54 PM
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Re: What so bad about them?

a brand new L98 short block is only 900 bucks, you can't even rebuild any block (289-400)that nicely for that much.

not to mention the LACK of heads for the smaller bore little brothers.

I kinda wish they would make some better 400 blocks, and sell them in a short block form, maybe they do? Has anyone heard of any crate 400's

That's a Different way to go.... ugh....

Last edited by fun Pain; Jun 26, 2007 at 10:01 PM.
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Old Jun 26, 2007 | 10:08 PM
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Re: What so bad about them?

Well the past 2 days I have been looking for a 350 roller shortblock, But cant seem to find what im looking for.
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Old Jun 28, 2007 | 03:09 PM
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Re: What so bad about them?

Hey give the guy a break. I agree he would be better of with a 350 block to start with. If you wnat to talk different how about guys on this board turbo charging their v-6's that the rest of us would just assume throw away. Best advice keep looking. Many junkyards could have one, or even a machine shop.
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