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Old Jul 7, 2009 | 04:31 PM
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Car: 1991 Z/28 1LE
Engine: 305 TPI
Transmission: 700R4
Axle/Gears: 3.42
Car running very, very rich. I mean REALLY rich

So I was cruising around with my friend last night, I drive a '91 305 TPI. He calls me up and says 'Man..you just shot probably 6 inch flames out of your exhaust' I laughed and said 'thats cool, but uh...thats pretty bad.'

When I give the car anything over half throttle or so, my exhaust comes out pretty much pitch black, and it smells like unburnt gas.

So, intermittently I get a code 32, which is the EGR. I also have a bit of a valve/rocker ticking, so I'm going to adjust those tomorrow.

I'm assuming my car is running rich because the EGR is malfunctioning, my question is, can I clean the ports on the EGR, or do I just need to get another one? Only problem with getting a new one is I don't get paid until friday, and this car is my DD.

So, cleaning? Yay/nay? Or, are there any other ideas as to what it could be?
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Old Jul 7, 2009 | 09:13 PM
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Car: 1987 Firebird Formula
Engine: 2004 LQ4
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Re: Car running very, very rich. I mean REALLY rich

Test your injectors.. One could be stuck open.. My brother had the same problem, get a multimeter and test each one, should be around 16 ohms.
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Old Jul 12, 2009 | 07:40 PM
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Car: 87 Firebird, 90 bird coming soon
Engine: 355 Chevy Vortec Heads TPI, LT1 inj
Transmission: 700r4
Axle/Gears: 2.77 posi 9-bolt
Re: Car running very, very rich. I mean REALLY rich

Flames out the back doesn't sound good. What did you find?
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Old Jul 12, 2009 | 08:31 PM
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Car: 1991 Z/28 1LE
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Re: Car running very, very rich. I mean REALLY rich

https://www.thirdgen.org/forums/tpi/...y-problem.html

haha, the problem evolved.

And by evolved, I mean got worse.
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Old Jul 28, 2009 | 09:11 AM
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Re: Car running very, very rich. I mean REALLY rich

sir i think you ran the car low on gas witch means to me you might have some particles or debree stuck in you injectors. for best results cleaning them disconect fuel pump and run some injector cleaner right at the fuel rail.
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Old Sep 10, 2009 | 11:52 AM
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Car: 1987 IROC Z
Engine: 350 TPI L98 block
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Re: Car running very, very rich. I mean REALLY rich

Originally Posted by Kevman
Test your injectors.. One could be stuck open.. My brother had the same problem, get a multimeter and test each one, should be around 16 ohms.

I am having this same issue and have tested my injectors. They all ohm'd at 14.9, (one ohm'd at 15.0) , and my car is running like shiznit.

Here is my thread

https://www.thirdgen.org/forums/tech...ml#post4278690


It sounds like we are having a similar issue. Im at the point that i am checking my spark plugs... help..
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Old Sep 10, 2009 | 03:14 PM
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Car: 1988 firebird trans am GTA
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Re: Car running very, very rich. I mean REALLY rich

whats your vacuum measure? if the vacuum isn't drawing the pressure down on your fuel regulator it will be pushing alot more fuel than you need. also, check your injectors to see if they are stuck open.

also, just for the sake of amusement, pop your 9th injector off once the car is warm and see if its dumping fuel. its a separate system that runs off the cts right next to your ecm cts. its a long shot, but it might be sticking open on you.
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Old Sep 10, 2009 | 05:11 PM
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Car: 1991 camaro rs
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Re: Car running very, very rich. I mean REALLY rich

could it be that the tps sensor is stuck open, thus dumping fuel without the trottle open?
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Old Sep 10, 2009 | 08:57 PM
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Car: 1937 Chevy
Engine: 5.0 TPI
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Re: Car running very, very rich. I mean REALLY rich

Check fuel pressure. Should be 45psi.
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Old Sep 11, 2009 | 07:13 AM
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Re: Car running very, very rich. I mean REALLY rich

Fuel pressure is 40 PSI. The 9th injector, is that the cold start injector ? Is that the one on the lower portion of the manifold ?
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Old Sep 11, 2009 | 07:58 AM
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Car: 1937 Chevy
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Re: Car running very, very rich. I mean REALLY rich

Yes the cold start injector is the ninth. It is on the drivers side to the rear.
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Old Sep 11, 2009 | 10:51 AM
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Car: 89 RS Camaro
Engine: fuel injected 2.8 6 cyl
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Re: Car running very, very rich. I mean REALLY rich

similar but problem but less cool (no flames) lol ive got a 2.8 6 cyl and im getting like 10mpg. and LOTTTTTTSSSS of carbon residue everywhere. if i let the car idle.. its built up on the ground within 10-15 mins. havnt tested injectors... but i have new wires cap rotor plugs knocked out the cat to be hollow and catback exhaust. Its more of a nuisance cause i run out of gas often cause my gas gauge is a liar. soooo yeah. and the only light that comes on is my check engine but it goes off if i have the motor around 2500 rpm. hmm. help?
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