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Old Oct 7, 2009 | 02:42 PM
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383 TPI Breathing issues

Is 383 cubes to much for the Tuned Port Injection system to handle??? At what RMP does the TPI, run out of breath? The setup is: LTR, 52mm Throttle Body, Ported Pendulum. Big Mouth Base. Thanks.
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Old Oct 8, 2009 | 04:35 AM
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Re: 383 TPI Breathing issues

Many say so. My last dyno pull makes me believe it.
My curves peaked at 4900 rpm.
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Old Oct 8, 2009 | 05:35 AM
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http://www.compcams.com/Community/Ar...?ID=1737510521
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Old Oct 8, 2009 | 07:18 AM
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Re: 383 TPI Breathing issues

Its not as bad as some claim but you should expect to make peak power somewhere near 5K.
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Old Oct 8, 2009 | 09:32 AM
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Re: 383 TPI Breathing issues

its all how you build it. On my car it makes power until around 6400 rpm. It peaks at 5700 and stays fairly level until 6400
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Old Oct 8, 2009 | 11:28 AM
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Re: 383 TPI Breathing issues



Ah! I searched for quite some time trying to find that link, it's going in the bookmarks this time.
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Old Oct 8, 2009 | 12:52 PM
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Re: 383 TPI Breathing issues

TPI can be made to flow quite well. Don just had an Accel TPI intake manifold ported and it flowed 326cfm and 331 cfm between the ports. Stick on a set of opened up and siamesed SLP runners or a opened up Super Ram and you have a system that can support up to 600 hp.

By the way some of us feel the Accel TPI intake manifold is the best one to start with outside of the First. Unfortunetly it is no longer made and has to be bought on the previously owned market.
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Old Oct 8, 2009 | 05:27 PM
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Re: 383 TPI Breathing issues

I run in my new 383 with my old TPI setup ; siamised base , SLP's and ported plenum .It spun over 6K but I know from the intake comparison above the power would have been flat over 5K. Impressive bottom end, traction problems on ET streets
Swapping to a HSR on the same tune dropped me straight away from 12.7 (A4 3.07) down to 12.3 and helped off the line because it dialed out some of the bottom end torque ; not that you would notice
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Old Oct 8, 2009 | 09:29 PM
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Re: 383 TPI Breathing issues

i have a 450cu.TPI i ran accel d.f.i , 83lb injects, with a comp cams, heddman heads justable regfully ported plenum an runners, with a 64mm body airfoil sounds dumb but also the tps throttle enhancer,also with the msd 7al hooked to thepro power coil mine peaks at bout 7000 rpm
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Old Oct 8, 2009 | 09:57 PM
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Re: 383 TPI Breathing issues

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i have a 450cu.TPI i ran accel d.f.i , 83lb injects, with a comp cams, heddman heads justable regfully ported plenum an runners, with a 64mm body airfoil sounds dumb but also the tps throttle enhancer,also with the msd 7al hooked to thepro power coil mine peaks at bout 7000 rpm
What cam and heads?
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Old Oct 9, 2009 | 04:12 PM
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Re: 383 TPI Breathing issues

AFR L98,195cc comps. beehive springs, with the mag. comp rockers. its a comp cam i for get the lobe, lift an dar. off the top off my head lol
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Old Oct 10, 2009 | 11:07 AM
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Re: 383 TPI Breathing issues

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What cam and heads?
Dude is yanking your chain.
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Old Oct 10, 2009 | 12:44 PM
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Re: 383 TPI Breathing issues

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Many say so. My last dyno pull makes me believe it.
My curves peaked at 4900 rpm.

What kind of 1/4 times are you looking at? This is the same setup as I have, minus the Nitrous Port on the runners. Nice to see someone has gone down that same road.
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Old Oct 10, 2009 | 05:30 PM
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Re: 383 TPI Breathing issues

Originally Posted by BadSS
Dude is yanking your chain.

Just testing , 7K on a big cube TPI
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Old Oct 11, 2009 | 06:40 AM
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Re: 383 TPI Breathing issues

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What kind of 1/4 times are you looking at? This is the same setup as I have, minus the Nitrous Port on the runners. Nice to see someone has gone down that same road.
Haven't been able to make it to the track.
Have you?
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Old Oct 11, 2009 | 09:46 PM
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Re: 383 TPI Breathing issues

think im yanking chain but i gott dyno papers to prove it wanta see them lol
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Old Oct 12, 2009 | 01:31 AM
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Re: 383 TPI Breathing issues

I had the bone-stock TPI on top of a mild 383 in my 1990 Vette. It only made 250rwhp, but held 300+rwtq from 1800-5200rpm. The party was over by 5400rpm, though...

It was a really fun street engine coupled with the 700R4 and would just liquifey the tires at any provocation. It may not have been the fastest car, but it was giggle-inducing stupid fun...
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Old Oct 12, 2009 | 12:17 PM
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Re: 383 TPI Breathing issues

No I haven't made it to the track, you must not follow my posts. Hey where's the dyno numbers/graphs for that 454 TPI, let me see that.
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Old Oct 12, 2009 | 12:59 PM
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Re: 383 TPI Breathing issues

Originally Posted by lostsouls25
think im yanking chain but i gott dyno papers to prove it wanta see them lol
I have a stealth bomber in my backyard, too, but is invisible in the photos I take of it, because it's Stealth!!


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Re: 383 TPI Breathing issues

Originally Posted by lostsouls25
think im yanking chain but i gott dyno papers to prove it wanta see them lol
Maybe it used to be TPI and has a Miniram or a singleplane intake now,,, but it's not doing with a TPI - long runner intake. It's physically impossible as in the PHYSICS involved make the long runners incapable of making peak power at 7000 with a 450cid engine. Period.
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Old Oct 13, 2009 | 09:02 PM
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Re: 383 TPI Breathing issues

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Maybe it used to be TPI and has a Miniram or a singleplane intake now,,, but it's not doing with a TPI - long runner intake. It's physically impossible as in the PHYSICS involved make the long runners incapable of making peak power at 7000 with a 450cid engine. Period.
Somebody just got destroyed by the scientist.
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Old Oct 13, 2009 | 09:37 PM
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Re: 383 TPI Breathing issues

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I have a stealth bomber in my backyard, too, but is invisible in the photos I take of it, because it's Stealth!!
.... yeah, yeah, that's the ticket!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YLyyPCbxnIU
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Old Oct 19, 2009 | 02:06 PM
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Re: 383 TPI Breathing issues

lol i never said that my intake had the runner an stock plenym on it ,im using the miniram system
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Old Oct 19, 2009 | 06:16 PM
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Re: 383 TPI Breathing issues

Originally Posted by lostsouls25
i never said that my intake had the runner an stock plenym on it ,im using the miniram system
So it is NOT a TPI anymore is IT?
Once the TPI comes off it is just another SBC

OP asked about TPI limitations on a 383 ; not MR
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Old Oct 20, 2009 | 02:53 PM
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Re: 383 TPI Breathing issues

Yes... What are the limitations of the 383 cubic displacement SBC, with a TPI system
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Old Oct 20, 2009 | 09:21 PM
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Re: 383 TPI Breathing issues

You need to go by Dyno Don's shop in Orange and he can tell you all about TPI. Depending it can support say 600 hp.
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Old Oct 23, 2009 | 09:19 AM
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Re: 383 TPI Breathing issues

Maybe Maybe, Dyno Don, from orange can chime in. Thanks.
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Old Oct 23, 2009 | 10:24 AM
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Re: 383 TPI Breathing issues

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You need to go by Dyno Don's shop in Orange and he can tell you all about TPI. Depending it can support say 600 hp.
yeah but what you guys are doing is taking TPI and making it an effective single plane type intake... its no longer "TPI" by definition, even tho its using TPI base and TPI runners.

But if you want TPI looks and bigger inch motors and wish to go fast, then doing what Dyno Don and JerryWho and others have done is the only way.
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Old Oct 23, 2009 | 01:18 PM
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Re: 383 TPI Breathing issues

I think JerryWho and Don are taking TPI/SuperRam to another level. This is just a little teaser. On the outside it will look like a factory piece to most.
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Old Oct 24, 2009 | 06:33 PM
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Re: 383 TPI Breathing issues

Is there a way to see what these two guys Dyno Don and JerryWho are up too, without going over there?
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Re: 383 TPI Breathing issues

It is their project and I probably should not have said anything as very few know about it. I will say it appears like the setup will flow some serious cfm.
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Re: 383 TPI Breathing issues

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It is their project and I probably should not have said anything as very few know about it. I will say it appears like the setup will flow some serious cfm.
Lets hope they let out their secrets...not sure why they would want to keep it hidden from the rest of the community that can seriously benefit from their knowledge and findings
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Re: 383 TPI Breathing issues

Hi Orr

I think they will in do time. One thing we have found out over time is the Accel version of the TPI intake manifold is the best one for most. It has the most bang for the buck with any additional work. I put the First in another category.
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Old Jun 3, 2010 | 01:43 PM
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Re: 383 TPI Breathing issues

Where are the secrets?? It's been months!
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Old Jun 3, 2010 | 06:27 PM
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Re: 383 TPI Breathing issues

Basically open up the after market intake manifold (original Accel best outside of First) to flow around 330 cfm. Siamese, add some weld to SLP runners and open them up to around 1.78" diameter. Leave 1 to 2" of runner left where it bolts onto the intake manifold. Open up the factory plenum to match the runners and maybe fit a 58mm throttle body.

My TPI combination makes peak power at 6400rpm. Just ran a 12.09@113+ over at California Raceway in Fontana in terrible air with a density altitude of 3100ft plus. This is an A4, 355 cubic inch motor and a heavy fully loaded GTA.
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Old Jun 5, 2010 | 12:53 AM
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Re: 383 TPI Breathing issues

ahh man I thought you said it looked stock. siamesed runners≠look stock.

and just to reiterate. mini-ram is not tpi
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