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Old Jun 11, 2015 | 11:24 AM
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while trying to put this car back to stock, I discovered my throttle body only has one vacuum port on the right side. Supposed to have two from my understanding and as far as I know this is all original equipment.

Check out the photo and if anyone knows about or has run one like this please let me know how you hooked up your vacuum hoses..

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Old Jun 11, 2015 | 01:54 PM
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If you are talking about the one at the bottom with the surface rust on it, that is actually a coolant port. There is another at the bottom front of the TB.
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Old Jun 11, 2015 | 02:41 PM
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He's referring to the large vacuum port. I don't recall ever seeing a TB with only one but I don't deal with MAF cars very often. Off memory the top one was for the crank case vent from the valve cover and the bottom one that's plugged is supposed to be the charcoal canister vent. The purge solenoid will just vent to the atmosphere if you don't hook it up.
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Old Jun 11, 2015 | 02:49 PM
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Been chasing this a few days with him. Looks like the tube was removed and a plug was installed deep inside. Never seen it either
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Old Jun 11, 2015 | 03:19 PM
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Is it plugged? Or did the tube just work it's way out?
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Old Jun 11, 2015 | 03:35 PM
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Is it plugged? Or did the tube just work it's way out?
If it was ever open and went through then it's been plugged. I will have to take a real close look at it when I get home from work and see if it ever went all the way through and it's just plugged.

I asked Bob this but do you think it would work if I connected the canister to the one port that's there and just put a breather on the valve cover??
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Old Jun 11, 2015 | 05:43 PM
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Look at the arrows concerning those lines...if the vapor canister purges to the same line that provides "air in" for the PCV then gas fumes will go to your crankcase. That's where you don't want gasoline fumes. I'm willing to bet that the upper TB port doesn't have any vacuum to it to provide the PCV with clean air to circulate the crankcase atmosphere. The lower TB port likely has vacuum to send gas fumes from the canister to the combustion chambers.
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Old Jun 11, 2015 | 05:49 PM
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OK guys, just got home a looked real close. It is not plugged. It is cast that way and there is no opening on the inside into the channel..???


Googled the part number on the bottom and got an Ebay hit advertising it as a C4 Corvette TB and it is the same as the one I've got...?? Think this thing will work?
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Old Jun 11, 2015 | 05:56 PM
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Re: Weird Throttle Body - Pic attached

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Look at the arrows concerning those lines...if the vapor canister purges to the same line that provides "air in" for the PCV then gas fumes will go to your crankcase. That's where you don't want gasoline fumes. I'm willing to bet that the upper TB port doesn't have any vacuum to it to provide the PCV with clean air to circulate the crankcase atmosphere. The lower TB port likely has vacuum to send gas fumes from the canister to the combustion chambers.

Sorry, you lost me there a little. Since I only have a top port and that is the one that provides fresh air into the crankcase, what do I do with the line from the canister?
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Old Jun 11, 2015 | 05:57 PM
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You could drill it through, tap and install a fitting for the charcoal canister hose.
Or you could trade it to a C4 guy and get the correct one you need.
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Old Jun 11, 2015 | 06:12 PM
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You could drill it through, tap and install a fitting for the charcoal canister hose.
I second that. You'll want the fumes from the tank to go to that port.
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Old Jun 11, 2015 | 07:53 PM
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Drill, tapped, and fixed...!


Thanks guys...
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Old Jun 12, 2015 | 04:16 PM
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Cool. I hope to see full pictures of that yellow iroc ya got there.
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Old Jun 12, 2015 | 05:50 PM
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Here's what I'm starting with. Project for my son and me... SUPER straight body and no rust...
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Old Jun 12, 2015 | 09:01 PM
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And the Z06 is yellow too! Jealousy is creeping in.
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Old Jun 12, 2015 | 09:08 PM
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The IROC being yellow is just coincidence actually. I used to drive by it in this guy's driveway all the time and finally one day I knocked on his door and told him to call me if he was ever interested in selling it. He called me back about three weeks later and told me his wife thinks he has too many projects and I bought it.


My son thinks it's really cool we both have yellow sports cars and when it comes time for paint, we are going to paint it the original color.. Problem is, we get this thing all restored and I may keep it and just get him a Honda or something!! I love these IROC's and always have. But that Z06..Wow is the only thing I can say about it, what a machine...
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Old Jun 12, 2015 | 10:39 PM
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I have a 86 vet T-body and It is the same as this one. Never noticed it b4.
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Old Jun 12, 2015 | 10:59 PM
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Re: Weird Throttle Body - Pic attached

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I have a 86 vet T-body and It is the same as this one. Never noticed it b4.

The throttle body is the same as mine? Where do they run the hose from the purge valve on the canister to?
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Old Jun 12, 2015 | 11:04 PM
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The throttle body is the same as mine? Where do they run the hose from the purge valve on the canister to?
No idea. just have the motor, going to google it tho..
Edit: Here it is.


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Old Jun 13, 2015 | 12:39 PM
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Well that makes sense. Seems silly to change something like that tho....crazy engineers.
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Old Jun 14, 2015 | 05:10 PM
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yeppers, T's into the PCV vacuum line. I've seen a few of those.
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Old Jun 16, 2015 | 09:31 PM
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Does anybody know why the GM engineers did it that way on the vette?
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