T5 Buildup
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Car: 88' IROC
Engine: L03
Transmission: 5 speed
T5 Buildup
I am going to be obtaining a rebuilt 350 low miles and recently rebuilt the owner says it has about 400 horsepower but i'm hoping it has at least 300. The problem is I want to rebuild the stock t5 so that it can withstand the hp/torque of the 350. Is this possible if i brought it to a rebuild shop?
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From: Newark, DE
Car: '86 Camaro, '02 WRX, '87 K5, '67
Engine: 350 TPI, 2.0turbo, 383 in the works, 289-4BBL, 232, A-head 4-cylinder
Transmission: T56, 5-speed, 700R4, C4, T176, semi-auto 2-speed
Axle/Gears: 3.73, 3.90, 4.88, 3.55, 3.54, 7.00
It isn't horsepower that breaks transmissions; it's torque. Is the new motor going to be fuel injected (TPI/TBI) or carb?
What kind of rear end are you running? What kind of tires? How will the car be used (drag, street, street/strip. ect.)?
What kind of rear end are you running? What kind of tires? How will the car be used (drag, street, street/strip. ect.)?
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From: Newark, DE
Car: '86 Camaro, '02 WRX, '87 K5, '67
Engine: 350 TPI, 2.0turbo, 383 in the works, 289-4BBL, 232, A-head 4-cylinder
Transmission: T56, 5-speed, 700R4, C4, T176, semi-auto 2-speed
Axle/Gears: 3.73, 3.90, 4.88, 3.55, 3.54, 7.00
The T5 should fare fairly well in a street car. Most likely you will smoke the tires before you put enough stress on the trans to break it.
I would recommend a complete rebuild with upgraded 2nd and 3rd gears (double moly). Buy a good shifter (I recommend Pro 5.0, but Hurst and others have good reps too). I wouldn't powershift it too often either. A steel bearing retainer is also a good way to go.
A reputable local shop should be able to handle the work for you. If you can't find one you like drop me a PM and I'll rebuild it for you.
I would recommend a complete rebuild with upgraded 2nd and 3rd gears (double moly). Buy a good shifter (I recommend Pro 5.0, but Hurst and others have good reps too). I wouldn't powershift it too often either. A steel bearing retainer is also a good way to go.
A reputable local shop should be able to handle the work for you. If you can't find one you like drop me a PM and I'll rebuild it for you.
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From: Newark, DE
Car: '86 Camaro, '02 WRX, '87 K5, '67
Engine: 350 TPI, 2.0turbo, 383 in the works, 289-4BBL, 232, A-head 4-cylinder
Transmission: T56, 5-speed, 700R4, C4, T176, semi-auto 2-speed
Axle/Gears: 3.73, 3.90, 4.88, 3.55, 3.54, 7.00
I believe that the complete rebuild kit (synchros, bearings/races, seals) runs about $185. The steel bearing retainer is around $60. The double moly 2nd & 3rd gears are about $65 each. The labor should run you roughly $200 with the trans out of the car.
Grand total: $575.
Grand total: $575.
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From: Washington, Iowa
Car: 86 T/A, 86 z28, 79 berlinetta, 69 chevelle (totally rusted)
Engine: 350's in the f-bodys. 327 in the works for the T/A, MIGHT go with a 383, none in the chevelle
Transmission: T/A has a 5-speed, z28 has a 700-r4, th-350 in the 79' (5 or 6-speed soon), and none in the chevelle
Originally posted by TKOPerformance
A steel bearing retainer is also a good way to go.
A steel bearing retainer is also a good way to go.
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From: Aridzona
Car: `86 SS / `87 SS
Engine: L69 w/ TPI on top / 305 4bbl
Transmission: `95 T56 \ `88 200-4R
Originally posted by TKOPerformance
The steel bearing retainer is around $60.
The steel bearing retainer is around $60.
Originally posted by eddie jr
Just curious, is a steel bearing retainer better to prevent wear on only the outside (TOB) or the inside as well (input bearing)???
Just curious, is a steel bearing retainer better to prevent wear on only the outside (TOB) or the inside as well (input bearing)???
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From: Newark, DE
Car: '86 Camaro, '02 WRX, '87 K5, '67
Engine: 350 TPI, 2.0turbo, 383 in the works, 289-4BBL, 232, A-head 4-cylinder
Transmission: T56, 5-speed, 700R4, C4, T176, semi-auto 2-speed
Axle/Gears: 3.73, 3.90, 4.88, 3.55, 3.54, 7.00
rbjones, I prefer to use UPS. They should ship a trans for about $65.
jmd, thanks for the heads up on the bearing retainer. I wonder why the Mustang got the aluminum one? Typical Ford I guess. They do things 95% right, but the 5% they do wrong will drive you nuts!
jmd, thanks for the heads up on the bearing retainer. I wonder why the Mustang got the aluminum one? Typical Ford I guess. They do things 95% right, but the 5% they do wrong will drive you nuts!
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From: MN
Car: 2009 Pontiac G8 GXP
Engine: LS3
Transmission: 6L80E
Axle/Gears: 3.27
Hanlon Motorsports just quoted me $250 labor to rebuild my T-5 trans, plus parts and shipping. They said $170 for the complete rebuild kit or $89 for just the refresh kit.
The upgraded 2nd and 3rd gears sounds like a great idea...along with making sure you have the steel retainer...
www.hanlonmotorsports.com
The upgraded 2nd and 3rd gears sounds like a great idea...along with making sure you have the steel retainer...
www.hanlonmotorsports.com
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Car: 1991 Camaro RS
Engine: L03 305 V-8 (for now ;) )
Transmission: T-5 5 speed
Axle/Gears: stock... whatever that means :)
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From: West Texas
Car: '82 Camaro
Engine: 305
Transmission: wc T5
Axle/Gears: 3.23 posi
TKO--Well, I'm gonna do this TKO upgrade--established firm, right in the ballpark on price, knowledge on those internal parts. GForce makes an excellent tranny--straight cut gears look like an old M22 inside--but, good grief, the $$$! Other companies provide great service on total packages but again, the $$$! I'm not rich, not in that market.
My Camaro is a long-term project--already built the rear end with 28 spline Torkelson, Mosers, 3.73's and boxed arms--this TKO upgrade to the WCT5 will make the drive train ready for 400 hp/ft lbs. The only racing it will see is SOLO II and open road, amateur stuff, and what I don't spend on the drive train I can put in the motor, suspension and motel rooms.
My Camaro is a long-term project--already built the rear end with 28 spline Torkelson, Mosers, 3.73's and boxed arms--this TKO upgrade to the WCT5 will make the drive train ready for 400 hp/ft lbs. The only racing it will see is SOLO II and open road, amateur stuff, and what I don't spend on the drive train I can put in the motor, suspension and motel rooms.
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From: Aurora, IL
Car: 92 Camaro
Engine: ZZ4 350 HSR
Transmission: G-Force T5
Originally posted by 88TPI406GTA
The only downside to G Force is the $$$...for that kind of money, I would rather buy a Tremec or do a T-56 swap.
The only downside to G Force is the $$$...for that kind of money, I would rather buy a Tremec or do a T-56 swap.
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