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Old Oct 15, 2004 | 01:25 PM
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Transmission is fired!!!! oh no

Today i started up the car for the long journey to school, drove it to the stop sign and noticed it didn't shift, thought i was just missing something or whatever. well it wont shift out of first now.


what could be the problem guys.

the fluid is still red after 38k miles of being used so thats still a good sign.

the guy at a local shop said there is a nylon gear that is spun, and its very common for them to wear out and it wont shift becuase the car doesn't know how fast the engine is spinning. IS this true?






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Old Oct 16, 2004 | 12:31 AM
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nylon gear is for the speedo, sounds much more serious
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Old Oct 16, 2004 | 01:19 AM
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What about the governor?
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Old Oct 16, 2004 | 02:38 AM
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I second that. Pull the governor cover off and pull out the governor. Has a little plastic gear on the end of it. Probably wore out and all the teeth stripped off. Without it turning, there is no indicator of the vehicles speed.
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Old Oct 16, 2004 | 08:53 AM
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Sounds like the Ghost of Many Threads past has come back to haunt you. Remember the ones where you were bragging and complaining about your transmission and other members warned you that it was on its last legs and you blew them off.
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Old Oct 16, 2004 | 10:00 AM
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I wasnt going to say it trickster, but it does sound an awful lot like that "shift kit" that grew all by itself. d00d.
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Old Oct 17, 2004 | 10:44 AM
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nah it was the governor, i replaced it myself yesterday morining at like 9AM, when it was like 50* outside.


I pulled it went to Mark Twain Transmisions and he sold me the gear and valve for $20, put it in and was on my way to work.



Thanks for the help guys.


sorry trickster, i do have a shift kit. its been proven now.


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Old Oct 17, 2004 | 10:47 AM
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Old Oct 17, 2004 | 02:24 PM
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It was probably all that shock loading from peeling out and stuff that encuraged it to break. On mine at the base of the gear there are numerous fatigue fractures so it was only a matter of time before it broke off.
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Old Oct 17, 2004 | 05:12 PM
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sorry trickster, i do have a shift kit. its been proven now.
Yeah, cause transmissions grow them all the time!
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Old Oct 17, 2004 | 06:10 PM
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Yeah, cause transmissions grow them all the time!

LMAO...maybe he was using that trick shift tranny fluid..LMAO
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Old Oct 17, 2004 | 08:25 PM
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sorry trickster, i do have a shift kit. its been proven now.


Shane
Shift kit, who mentioned a shift kit? I only mentioned the Ghost of many threads past!!!!!!!!!!
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Old Oct 17, 2004 | 08:25 PM
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or maybe the damn oprevious owner put one in you dumb ****s. gosh leave me alone about it. it is an aftermarket shift kit. i dont know actly what brand, but my step-dad said he noticed it wasn't stock when he put in the tranny fluid screw(an addon to let you dump tranny fluid before unbolting the tranny pan).
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Old Oct 17, 2004 | 09:00 PM
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Originally posted by therckid
or maybe the damn oprevious owner put one in you dumb ****s. gosh leave me alone about it. it is an aftermarket shift kit. i dont know actly what brand, but my step-dad said he noticed it wasn't stock when he put in the tranny fluid screw(an addon to let you dump tranny fluid before unbolting the tranny pan).

somebody forgot to take their midol
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Old Oct 17, 2004 | 09:10 PM
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or maybe the damn oprevious owner put one in you dumb ****s.
Yeah, thats definatly a no-no. Personal attacks and name calling are not allowed. Dont do that again.

Its a possibility, but I always assume a problem before believing that my car is somehow special and different from the other 10 zillion ones just like it on the road.

P.S. you really cant 'see' a shiftkit. The valvebody itself is in the way. Youd have to drop it and inspect to see whats been changed.

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Old Oct 17, 2004 | 09:12 PM
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sorry but you guys continually treat me like i'm just stupid and dont know the difference betweena good shift and a broken one.


i'm not stupid anymore guys, i'm actually learning and tkaing advice now. I did my reasearch on the site after i posted and found out it was the gear, took it out and walla.

Teh definition of education is being able to teach yourself what you need to know to get stuff done, therefore look it up.. YOu guys have helped educate me. thanks

and sorry trickster, you've helped me throguth out the time, more professionally then anyone else, i should not have exloded on you.

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Old Oct 17, 2004 | 09:14 PM
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Thats a nice apology, and it was needed. But you still have a way to go. What about that big block thirdgen, anyway?
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Old Oct 17, 2004 | 09:15 PM
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i moved and was not able to buy it.
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Old Oct 17, 2004 | 09:17 PM
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Originally posted by dimented24x7
Yeah, thats definatly a no-no. Personal attacks and name calling are not allowed. Dont do that again.

Its a possibility, but I always assume a problem before believing that my car is somehow special and different from the other 10 zillion ones just like it on the road.

P.S. you really cant 'see' a shiftkit. The valvebody itself is in the way. Youd have to drop it and inspect to see whats been changed.

and if that were true, wouldn't that make sence thata new valve body comes with the dang thing. My step-dad is no looser. He was a district manager of a set of mechanic shop in the saco ,maine area back in the day. Hes no dummy either.
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Old Oct 17, 2004 | 09:18 PM
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Thats fine. You can defend yourself, but just leave out any harsh words and make sure to do it in a respectful way.

Before going any farther, Id double check that the tv cable has FULL tension at WOT. It needs to be tight. A stuck tv valve will also cause super hard shifts. If the trans still shifts normally at low loads and the cable is nice and tight at WOT then its ok. If it shifts hard all the time then suspect a stuck tv valve. Mine did it all the time. Currently rebuilding it with a HD trans-go shiftkit so hopefully those problems should be a thing of the past.
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Old Oct 17, 2004 | 09:22 PM
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iunno man.
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Old Oct 17, 2004 | 09:22 PM
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Originally posted by therckid
and if that were true, wouldn't that make sence thata new valve body comes with the dang thing. My step-dad is no looser. He was a district manager of a set of mechanic shop in the saco ,maine area back in the day. Hes no dummy either.
Not a trans expert but a shift kit usually includes a variety of valves, springs, and other items that are swapped in place of the factory stuff. It should for the most part look stock since the actual valve body casting itself wont have to be changed and all the items will be inside the trans itself.
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Old Oct 17, 2004 | 09:24 PM
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mine shifts firm, not hard, no slippage or anything, i had it checked out. the tranny guys said its the resemblance of a shift kit from long time past. they didn't know for sure but thought it was very possible.
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Old Oct 17, 2004 | 09:26 PM
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Originally posted by therckid
mine shifts hard all the time d00d, liek tis supposed to.
Go out and disconnect the tv cable and pull it all the way out and let it go fast as you can a bunch of times. I suspect that the tv valve is stuck. Ive had this happen to me about 2,345,621,023 times and those high rpm slam shifts are annoying as hell, not to mention that they're hard on teh trans. Have to get out and look like an idiot yanking that damn cable for 10 mins. to free it up.
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Old Oct 17, 2004 | 09:37 PM
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ok how do i free it up? and i like t shifting hard.
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Old Oct 17, 2004 | 09:43 PM
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All that shock loading is hard on the parts inside. Fast, firm shifts are fine for WOT but not all the time. Itll break stuff. Try pulling the TV cable all the way ouy a bunch of times. That seems to be able to free the valve up. If its still stuck, then thats a perfect excuse to drop the pan and put in a real shift kit that will take the slush out of your box.
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Old Oct 17, 2004 | 11:08 PM
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Originally posted by therckid
i'm not stupid anymore guys
yeah you are...
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Old Oct 18, 2004 | 12:08 AM
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Originally posted by therckid
i'm not stupid anymore guys

Originally posted by nsimmons
yeah you are...
Alright, no flamming wars Use the PM feature. I personally couldnt care less what you do so long as its not on the boards.

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Old Oct 18, 2004 | 06:44 AM
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so ok, let me get this straight, just pull pull on that cable with all my might for like 10 times and it should come loose?






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Old Oct 18, 2004 | 07:26 AM
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so ok, let me get this straight, just pull pull on that cable with all my might for like 10 times and it should come loose?
no !!!

just like this.....

Originally posted by dimented24x7
Go out and disconnect the tv cable and pull it all the way out and let it go fast as you can a bunch of times.
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Old Oct 18, 2004 | 11:09 AM
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Yes, In theory it should come loose. It seemed to work every time for me when the TV valve got stuck. Of course it was all the garbage in my ATF from a slipping 2-4 band that caused it. Filled the trans up with crap.
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Old Oct 18, 2004 | 12:12 PM
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