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Old Nov 13, 2005 | 08:22 PM
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Car: 1982 Trans-Am
Engine: 355 w/ ported 416s
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Axle/Gears: 10 bolt, true-trac, 3.73
10 bolt rebuild

I've got the axle up on sawhorses now, mostly disassembled. I'm doing a rebuild to give it a bit more strength, and for longevity.
There was a bit of a leak on one side, so bearings and seals on the sides.

So far i've welded the tubes, and i'll be buying the summit girdle, and i'll find a solid pinion spacer.

I've never done this before, so i'd like ANY info anyone can contribute.

Here are a few pics. First, I couldn't get the cross shaft to "drop" out, I had to hammer the crap out of it. It's hard to get a picture of it, but there's slight scoring on it. I'm guessing that's why it was hard to remove. Should it be replaced? I will definately be replacing the cross shaft bolt, and using loctite on it.
Secondly, I think the axle shafts themselves are ok (ie, bearing surfaces not bad), but i'm toying with the idea of finding 28 spline ones at the JY, and either a posi from the same car, or from a 4th gen, etc. My main question is, is the posi shown in the pic, a crappy stock style one, or is it different? I know the previous owner did a lot to the car, so he may have replaced it.... Gov-lock?

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And finally, i'll be replacing the cap bolts with studs, since it's pretty cheap too. Any idea on the size? Can I use threaded rod cut to size (alloy steel), or a B7 grade stud?

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Old Nov 14, 2005 | 04:59 AM
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i'd replace the cross shaft, the gov lock posi doesn't have a clutch pack so it'd be easy to spot. 28 spline axles would be better to use. leave the cap bolts alone
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Old Nov 14, 2005 | 09:58 AM
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Car: 1982 Trans-Am
Engine: 355 w/ ported 416s
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Axle/Gears: 10 bolt, true-trac, 3.73
well I'm not sure what a clutch pack looks like, that's why I took the pic for others to check for me. It looks like a posi to me...?
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Old Nov 14, 2005 | 02:51 PM
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Car: 1982 Trans-Am
Engine: 355 w/ ported 416s
Transmission: T10, hurst shifter
Axle/Gears: 10 bolt, true-trac, 3.73
sofakingdom thinks this is an auburn 2 series.
I'll keep that in mind, apparently I could be using a 3 series, or a 2 series with more spacers (what I have now...)
I'll probably just upgrade that later then.


dealership says that they can't get a cross pin by itself, only as part of a gear swap package. Richmond gear says that the SG1920 zytanium cross shaft is for 8.5", but the one for my 7.5" rear is:
3991004RDF I'll have to see if I can get a gear shop to get me one of those, and the solid pinion spacer, and a cross shaft bolt. Since not many people seem to be able to find a zytanium cross shaft, I figured i'd post that P/n, and if I can find it, and if it fits.

I've got new seals and outer bearings on their way, hopefully all will work fine.
I'll have to pick up a length of 3/4" water pipe (plastic pipe?) to get those puppies out. We'll see.
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Old Nov 14, 2005 | 02:53 PM
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I doubt that plastic will be strong enough.

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Old Nov 14, 2005 | 09:50 PM
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Car: 1982 Trans-Am
Engine: 355 w/ ported 416s
Transmission: T10, hurst shifter
Axle/Gears: 10 bolt, true-trac, 3.73
tried some copper 3/4" pipe.
Beat the crap out of it, knocked out a few of the rollers in the bearings, and mangled the end of the pipe, but the bearings didn't budge.
I'll see if I can rent a puller for these.
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Old Nov 15, 2005 | 06:12 AM
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Steel pipe would have been your best bet. If you no longer wish to mess with the pipe method, you might consider the slide hammer. No problems there for me--a couple of whacks and the bearing was out.

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Old Nov 15, 2005 | 01:30 PM
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Car: 1982 Trans-Am
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I'll see what I can rent around here first, otherwise i'll get steel pipe...
A rear end shop is looking into a solid pinion spacer and the cross shaft. Anyone know where to get a new cross shaft bolt? (GM couldn't get me one.)
Thx.
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Old Nov 15, 2005 | 02:20 PM
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I'm surprised about GM. My dealership had them in stock.

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Old Nov 15, 2005 | 04:38 PM
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NAPA has the bolt and Ratech makes a solid pinion spacer.
Bolt part # : 635-1023
Ratech part# in Summit catalog: RAT-4111

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Old Nov 15, 2005 | 05:16 PM
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yea, i'm seeing if there's a way to get that ratech part locally, rather then putting it on my summit order (in a few months.)

Thanks for the bolt info! I'll see if they have one for me.
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Old Nov 29, 2005 | 09:44 PM
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Car: 1982 Trans-Am
Engine: 355 w/ ported 416s
Transmission: T10, hurst shifter
Axle/Gears: 10 bolt, true-trac, 3.73
k, as an update:

got the ratech 4111. $70CDN upon arrival, I love UPS air mail

napa had that bolt, thanks!

trying to find a cross shaft of any kind...

I used copper water pipe, beat on it with my rubber mallet, only ended up knocking the rollers out of the bearing on one side... The other side, I finally used a 20LB wheel chock type of thing, and just hammered the be-jesus out of it... came out. I have the other side left though, it's not coming out at all...there are no rollers left in it, i'll have to try and find a slide hammer.

I've removed the axle bearing caps, now can I remove the carrier?

I'll be making up a tool to hold the yoke still to remove the pinion nut, (bought a 3/4" breaker bar and 1 1/4" socket).
Which do I remove first, carrier or the pinion?
Thanks!
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Old Dec 1, 2005 | 10:04 AM
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bump, just hoping someone can tell me if I can remove the carrier or pinion first... (and how to remove the carrier...)
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Old Dec 31, 2005 | 06:51 PM
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Axle/Gears: 10 bolt, true-trac, 3.73
finally getting somewhere...

I had another thread going about how to remove the carrier, but I figured this is more on topic. I just wanted to keep a log of how this went, to help others, and ask some questions along the way.
Brought the rear to a gear shop, to remove the carrier for me... buddy just used 2 pry bars, on the ring gear bolts... Big guy though. Anyway, worked like a charm.

I finally got the summit girdle:
girdle

I got the zytanium cross pin from Richmond, looks right....
cross pin

When I pulled the pinion gear out, the front bearing just fell out... I guess that was supposed to be pressed on the pinion shaft ? Anyway, it slides on, so i'll use that as the spacer while I figure out the shims for the ratech solid pinion spacer.. I'm at this stage now. I tightened the nut, and i'll go buy an inch pounds torque wrench to check it... (along with a 1/4"->3/8" adapter, 3/8"->1/2", 1/2"->3/4" ugh!) When it turns, it feels... rough... I guess I'll flush the rear pinion bearing in the parts cleaner, in case it's got some sludge in it...

Bought a new front pinion gear that will need to be pressed on. Is it ok to hammer this one with a driver, or should I try to drop the pinion in the freezer, gear in the oven, and try just pushing it on?

housing pic

For the pinion seal, should I put it in place, and cover it with a piece of 2x8 wood, then hammer it until it's flush? The old one was totally mangled, and I don't think it was on right...
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Old Dec 31, 2005 | 09:43 PM
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I cheated , I took all new parts to a shop and let them rebuild it. Best 165.00 I ever spent. Setting a pinion is not all that easy.
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Old Jan 8, 2006 | 08:08 PM
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Axle/Gears: 10 bolt, true-trac, 3.73
done!
Thanks for all the tips guys, much appreciated.
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