ok ive been searching for a week and a half so dont tell me to search...
i have an 86 ta came out with t5 hydraulic clutch, well im keeping the hydraulic setup so i need a bellhousing, no longer have the t5 and bellhousing and im going to use a muncie 4 speed, so can i use the t5 bellhousing with hydraulic adapter on side eventhough its 18 or 22 degrees offset counter clockwise, that would just pull the shifter towards the driver.

 

No.

Won't fit in the tunnel turned like that (the shifter will be about halfway into the driver's seat), the trans mount pad will be tilted at the 18° (or whatever it is exactly) angle, and it has no torque arm mount.

Not sure about any "Saginaw" connection?

 

so what bellhousing can i use, other then a brand new 400 dollar lakewood

 

You could conceivably use a 82 4-speed one.

Won't have the hydraulic facility.

Won't solve the torque arm problem.

Not really a good idea, if you're looking for anything close to a bolt-in.

A T-56 is a better idea.

 

im running a 500hp 383 and wont go near a t5 and im not spending the money on the t56. so theres nothing i can use besdies a lakewood hydralic one, and the trans is a saginaw out of 82 camaro has torque arm mount

 

Which one is it?

If it's REALLY a Saginaw, it's about as fragile as a T-5. Certainly not worth spending money to put that thing in a car. I'd recommend re-thinking that plan, if that's what it really is.

If it's REALLY a Muncie, see my first reply.

 

it is a saginaw out of an 82 camaro, i always saw muncie first i dont know why, but ive already built it up and it isnt as fragile as a t5, saginaw is another production of muncie and ive blown through t5's before a saginaw has ever let me down!

 

Ummmm the Saginaw is every bit as weak as a T5, if not worse. It is a really horrible trans with tiny gears. You are not upgrading. A saginaw is NOT another "production" of a Muncie. You could get a Muncie or Saginaw in certain early cars with the same RPO code because GM used whatever they had around, but that does not imply anything about their relative strength. A Muncie has gears twice the size of a saginaw. I have owned and rebuilt both and there is no comparison. I have blown a whole bunch of saginaws behind pretty wimpy small blocks. Do what you want...

 

Ummmm.... no.

Saginaw is a town in Michigan, where GM has a division that they call {drum roll please} Saginaw Gear. It is quite a large plant. It makes things like rear ends, steering gears, various drive train components, those weenie early disc brakes that came on these cars that never work; and even, those crappy 4-speeds that were used mostly behind in-line 6-cylinders (low-RPM) inthe 60s and 70s. AFAIK these cars were the first V8s to be victimized with that garbage.

Muncie is a town in Indiana, where GM has a MUCH SMALLER plant, that makes (or made? I'm not sure if it's even still there, haven't been through Muncie in a while, maybe next time I'm up that way at the strip or something I'll have to make a point of checking) transmissions; mostly, truck transmissions. And I don't mean pickup truck, or even over-the-road 18-wheeler trucks; I mean TRUCKS. Like earth movers and such. For some oddball reason, they got saddled by corporate with making that car 4-speed. To this day, if you walk into a REAL transmission place and say "Muncie", they'll look out in the parking lot for the flat-bed crane truck you had to use to get it there; and when you show them a car transmission, they'll kind of laugh. The car thing was discontinued in about 1974, so there was never a version made that will fit these cars (torque arm...).

The other transmission that COULD HAVE come in the 82 F-bodies, if you were lucky enough to not get stuck with the crap Saginaw, was the Warner T-10. GM bought those from Borg-Warner. It is an ALTOGETHER better transmission than the Saginaw, in every possible way; stronger, weighs less (aluminum case vs cast iron), shifts better, lasts longer, just better period; better than the Muncie too, although not drastically so.

But that doesn't really matter to the issue at hand, it's just always better to get the FACTS out on the table, and dispense with the buzzwords and misinformation.

You'll need the BH out of a 4-speed 82 to use that POS Saginaw, which is EXTREMELY hard to come by; or of course, you could go with the $aftermarket$ one. Given how tough it is to find the 82 piece, more than likely you're actually going to have to spend money to downgrade your car to the Saggy. Instinct tells me though, that it won't take long afterwards, before getting yourself a junk T-56 is going to start looking like a REAL GOOD DEAL. Fortunately you'll probably be able to recoup at least part of what the $BH$ cost you.