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Old Feb 17, 2008 | 02:53 PM
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Freakin' GM...

I have a 1986 2.8 V6 Camaro. I have had traney problems for about a month...It would not get into any gear, the clutch would not disengage(well thats what I think anyway...)...I replaced the clutch slave cylinder, tried it, didnt work...the replaced the clutch master cylinder, tried it again(big pain in the ***, reason for the title I put...) didnt work...this leads to my question, would it be the clutch? the pressure plate? or both? or, even worse, something in the transmission...
also, when I try to put it in gear the stick wont move up or down at all, when I try fifth, it goes all the way up but does not get in gear at all, only when I REALLY push it(only did it once) does it get in gear and then, it slips out real quick...
I need help with this, please, it is really really really frustrating...
Thanks in advance I really appreciate it...
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Old Feb 17, 2008 | 07:35 PM
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Re: Freakin' GM...

Sounds like another broken T5. Why is that GM's problem?
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Old Feb 17, 2008 | 08:06 PM
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Car: 1989 Camaro RS
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Re: Freakin' GM...

its not their problem...just makes you wonder if they could have figured out an easier way to do things...
but, what exactly do you think is broken? I was told it sounds like the pressure plate and I got a messed up syncronizer...
what do you think, just want a second opinion i guess....
thanks...
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plus, the, "freakin GM" thing is a joke we use around where I live, so if it offends anyone, sorry...

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Old Feb 17, 2008 | 08:25 PM
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Car: 89 RS
Engine: 305 carbed
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Axle/Gears: 3.42 auburn posi
Re: Freakin' GM...

do you have a clutch pedal at all? what happens if you hold the clutch to the floor. put it in a gear then start it...does the car move when you try starting it?
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Old Feb 17, 2008 | 08:36 PM
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Car: 1989 Camaro RS
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Re: Freakin' GM...

yeah, it jumps forward, if I dont have the e-brake, it just starts rolling...and what I did when it started happening was I would rev it to about 2000 and it would shift easier using the engines revs to kinda ease it in, but i didnt drive it much after it started happening...I figured that was horrible for the transmission...
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I used to also be able to put it in fifth but it wont get in anymore, and when it does, like I said, it slipps out when i let go if the shifter...

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Old Feb 18, 2008 | 07:54 AM
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Re: Freakin' GM...

just makes you wonder if they could have figured out an easier way to do things
Like.... ????? The clutch is already about as basic as it can be; and the transmission is as well, although GM didn't "make" it, they just bought it from B-W.

However all that may be, it sounds to me like you have 2 problems; a clutch malfunction (maybe the pilot bushing/bearing), and a broken 5th fork.

Cheaper to get another trans than to try to fix one. Go to the junkyard and get a trans out of a 6-cyl one of these cars, they're dirt common and CHEEP because nobody wants them; and put in a new clutch when you swap it out. Make sure you replace the pilot bearing/bushing.
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Old Feb 18, 2008 | 08:36 AM
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Re: Freakin' GM...

I am not talking about the clutch...I was talking about the pain it was to replace the master cylinder...i apologize if i offend anyone...but thanks for the help...
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Old Feb 18, 2008 | 09:12 AM
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Re: Freakin' GM...

The master cyl is EASY.

I did mine in a church parking lot once, where I coasted the car to when the line burst as I was driving down the road one day.... took maybe 45 minutes, TOPS, with just a rack of sockets, a couple of wrenches, and a floor jack. Both the MC and the slave. In a V8 car (400) no less.

Maybe somebody was trying to send me a message that day?

In any case, doesn't sound like your hydraulics. For why I don't know, but everybody always seems to want to blame everything that goes wrong with their clutch, on the hydraulics. Kind of like everybody blames "timing" (or more often, "timming" ) or "EGR" for all their engine woes.

You shouldn't have any trouble coming up with another T-5 though, those 6-cyl ones are EVERYWHERE and CHEEEP in th eboneyards. They usually go to the crusher. And of course, a clutch isn't a big deal, either. So yeah, may seem like a PITA now, but I think you'll find it's not hard or expensive to make back just like brand-new again.
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Old Feb 18, 2008 | 10:07 AM
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Re: Freakin' GM...

i kinda figured it was the hydraulic components because i got under the car to bleed it out and say that the fork only moved about 1/8 of an inch... figured that was not right bled it still... i changed the master and slave cyl and now it moves about 2 inches give or take... yeah replacing a clutch is fairly easy only done it once though on an old truck... how did you do it in 45 minutes? it took me two days! i couldnt manage to slip the master out... so i ended up taking off the brake booster and everythin
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Old Feb 18, 2008 | 10:37 AM
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Re: Freakin' GM...

how did you do it in 45 minutes?
Yeah that is pretty slow actually. I could use the excuse that I wasn't in a hurry, which I wasn't, but still, that's pretty weak.

Nothing beyond the obvious, which is to say, I rotated the hardware counterclockwise until the parts came off, and reversed the procedure to re-install. The "hardest" part actually, IIRC, in fact the reason it took so long in the first place, was getting the U-bolt thing to go back in far enough to get a nut started onto it, because the brackets and stuff on the interior side kind of spread apart and then there wasn't enough threads portruding through. It took me a while of futzing around to overcome that. I was doing it by myself though, so it probably would have taken 15 minutes less if I'd had somebody to just hold some stuff together for me.

Stock movement of the slave rod is about 5/8" (.600" - .625" or so) when everything is working right. That's not something I've ever had any trouble with.
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Old Feb 18, 2008 | 11:34 AM
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Re: Freakin' GM...

wow... i guess it takes that little bit of know how... i just couldnt fit my ginormous hands around the steering column to reach the master... so i resorted to taking the booster off... made it easier... but a pain to put the booster back on... anyway thanks for the info i really appreciate it...
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