Roller pilot bearing problem
Roller pilot bearing problem
I bought a Moroso roller pilot bearing and today I tried to install it into the crank. First, the directions said it had to be pressed in using an arbor press. yeah, that's great if you have the crankshaft on a bench.
Well, it would not fit. It is designed as a very tight tolerance fit and I tried tapping it in with a brass drift like a wheel bearing but it messed it up so I had to use my die grinder and cut it out.
Has anyone converted from auto to manual and used a roller bearing? Which manufacturer fits? Or am I going to have to use the bronze bushing instead?
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Well, it would not fit. It is designed as a very tight tolerance fit and I tried tapping it in with a brass drift like a wheel bearing but it messed it up so I had to use my die grinder and cut it out.
Has anyone converted from auto to manual and used a roller bearing? Which manufacturer fits? Or am I going to have to use the bronze bushing instead?
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I think you can just get a T56 pilot bearing it fit in mine
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From: jeff NY usa
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When I went from auto to stick the normal dorman pilot bushing got chewed up so I put in a roller bearing that I got from gm, when I swapped motors I got a new roller bearing from carquest. I just asked for one So I don't know what kind of car it was for, I seem to think it came from a heavy duty truck.
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I have used many of both the GM and the Moroso bearings, as far as I can tell they both came from Acme Pilot Bearing Co. or one of their affiliates. They appeared identical in every respect. Both of them are indeed a tight fit. However, I have never had access to an arbor press, I just use a brass drift and lots of patience. They are definitely tougher to put in than a bushing but by no means impossible.
Get another one and try not to get in too much of a hurry, it will go in OK. Cranks are all also the same whether they came in an auto car or a stick car so changing over is not an issue.
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Get another one and try not to get in too much of a hurry, it will go in OK. Cranks are all also the same whether they came in an auto car or a stick car so changing over is not an issue.
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I too did the same thing but I got it about 3/4 of the way in and it got screwed. I had to chisel it out. That totally sucked. To put the new one in I used a dremel sanding drum and took a little material out to get the new on in.
James
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I used the Moroso unit, which should be the same one you used, as I think there is only one version for both small and big block Chevys. It was 'tapped' in with a socket and rubber hammer while still in the engine and the car. It was quite a while ago, but i don't remember having much difficulty. I haven't had any problems with it that I am aware of.
I used the Moroso unit, which should be the same one you used, as I think there is only one version for both small and big block Chevys. It was 'tapped' in with a socket and rubber hammer while still in the engine and the car. It was quite a while ago, but i don't remember having much difficulty. I haven't had any problems with it that I am aware of.
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Thanks everyone for replying.
After talking it over with a buddy at work, I decided to go with the bronze bushing.
I could put a roller bearing in and like you said, take my time and not be in a hurry and I also could freeze it and I know I could get it in OK the 2nd time around.
However, after discussing it with my co-worker I decided on the bronze bushing.
Reason being is that he said high winding engines, for long periods, are better off with a bushing. Drag racing engines, which get torn down after every few runs are good to go with the roller bearing. His theory, based on his experience as a crew chief on circle track cars is that a bushing can only "wear". But a roller bearing, can "come apart" and if that happens, the loose free play can cause serious damage. But with a bushing, the worse that will happen is some excess wear. I thought about that, and it convinced me to go with the bushing instead of the roller bearing.
After talking it over with a buddy at work, I decided to go with the bronze bushing.
I could put a roller bearing in and like you said, take my time and not be in a hurry and I also could freeze it and I know I could get it in OK the 2nd time around.
However, after discussing it with my co-worker I decided on the bronze bushing.
Reason being is that he said high winding engines, for long periods, are better off with a bushing. Drag racing engines, which get torn down after every few runs are good to go with the roller bearing. His theory, based on his experience as a crew chief on circle track cars is that a bushing can only "wear". But a roller bearing, can "come apart" and if that happens, the loose free play can cause serious damage. But with a bushing, the worse that will happen is some excess wear. I thought about that, and it convinced me to go with the bushing instead of the roller bearing.
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