Need a stout clutch that doesn't kill my hydraulics
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From: huntsville, al
Car: 89 IROC
Engine: 6.8 HSR N2O
Transmission: TKO 600
Axle/Gears: 9" Moser 3.50 True trac
Need a stout clutch that doesn't kill my hydraulics
I'm currently running a TKO 600 which uses a stock T5 clutch. I have used Zoom, Ram HD, Centerforce Dual friction and none hold at the track with hard launches. The Ram power grip HD did the best with a metallic puc design but the pressure plate was so stiff it blew out my slave cylinder and linkage bushings. Not to mention it took a strong leg to hold it down and chattered like crazy. I need a daily driver clutch that will hold a large CI small block. I have an internal balance engine so I can use any style flywheel for 2 piece rear main style crank. I would prefer to stay with the 153 tooth wheel and wonder what the largest clutch disc that will fit. I am now looking at Centerforce DFX or Mcleod twin disc units. Anyone have good service with anything?
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Re: Need a stout clutch that doesn't kill my hydraulics
Go to a brake and clutch rebuilder. Most only deal with truck stuff on a regular basis. If you find the right place, with the right guy, you'll be able to tell them what you're doing, what you need it to do, and you might just end up with something you can slip to launch but that holds.
What you might end up with is a sintered metal or ceramic or whatever they can put together that will last. The downside is you might replace flywheels and pressure plates sooner due to wear of their metal.
The biggest stock style is a 10.75" ('88 Vette application.) With the right pressure plate, an 11" is an option, but you should be looking into material changes at this point. Not stiffer pressure plates. Not spending $ to get 0.25"
What you might end up with is a sintered metal or ceramic or whatever they can put together that will last. The downside is you might replace flywheels and pressure plates sooner due to wear of their metal.
The biggest stock style is a 10.75" ('88 Vette application.) With the right pressure plate, an 11" is an option, but you should be looking into material changes at this point. Not stiffer pressure plates. Not spending $ to get 0.25"
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From: huntsville, al
Car: 89 IROC
Engine: 6.8 HSR N2O
Transmission: TKO 600
Axle/Gears: 9" Moser 3.50 True trac
Re: Need a stout clutch that doesn't kill my hydraulics
Go to a brake and clutch rebuilder. Most only deal with truck stuff on a regular basis. If you find the right place, with the right guy, you'll be able to tell them what you're doing, what you need it to do, and you might just end up with something you can slip to launch but that holds.
What you might end up with is a sintered metal or ceramic or whatever they can put together that will last. The downside is you might replace flywheels and pressure plates sooner due to wear of their metal.
The biggest stock style is a 10.75" ('88 Vette application.) With the right pressure plate, an 11" is an option, but you should be looking into material changes at this point. Not stiffer pressure plates. Not spending $ to get 0.25"
What you might end up with is a sintered metal or ceramic or whatever they can put together that will last. The downside is you might replace flywheels and pressure plates sooner due to wear of their metal.
The biggest stock style is a 10.75" ('88 Vette application.) With the right pressure plate, an 11" is an option, but you should be looking into material changes at this point. Not stiffer pressure plates. Not spending $ to get 0.25"
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Re: Need a stout clutch that doesn't kill my hydraulics
If you don't have the metal cased slave and master cylinders you may also want to upgrade to those.
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Re: Need a stout clutch that doesn't kill my hydraulics
What bell housing are you using? (specifically, can you change to a 14" wheel and 11" clutch)
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Re: Need a stout clutch that doesn't kill my hydraulics
I am running a Lakewood bell so I could use the larger flywheel. I think it stands to reason that a larger diameter clutch disc an PP would hold more torque, all else being equal.
I agree with the suggestion on using a metal slave cyl. I do have a metal master and braided line. I don't remember seeing (or haven't yet found) a metal slave cyl. I have also considered using a hydraulic throw out bearing and bypassing the slave and fork assembly. If anyone has some part numbers or suggestions in this regard it will be appreciated.
I agree with the suggestion on using a metal slave cyl. I do have a metal master and braided line. I don't remember seeing (or haven't yet found) a metal slave cyl. I have also considered using a hydraulic throw out bearing and bypassing the slave and fork assembly. If anyone has some part numbers or suggestions in this regard it will be appreciated.
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Transmission: TKO 600
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Re: Need a stout clutch that doesn't kill my hydraulics
This is an interesting dual setup that doesn't cost a fortune. It's a lot but about half of most.
http://www.summitracing.com/parts/mc...make/chevrolet
Otherwise, this Center force model is probably about as good as I have found.
http://www.summitracing.com/parts/ct...make/chevrolet
What I haven't found is "what is the largest diameter clutch/pp to fit the 153T flywheel"?
http://www.summitracing.com/parts/mc...make/chevrolet
Otherwise, this Center force model is probably about as good as I have found.
http://www.summitracing.com/parts/ct...make/chevrolet
What I haven't found is "what is the largest diameter clutch/pp to fit the 153T flywheel"?
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Axle/Gears: 3.42 10 Bolt Posi
Re: Need a stout clutch that doesn't kill my hydraulics
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Re: Need a stout clutch that doesn't kill my hydraulics
Found it, thanks.
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Re: Need a stout clutch that doesn't kill my hydraulics
I have a question.
Your car seems to have had an automatic trans originally correct?
Did you convert to manual and install the pedals ect?
Are you sure the problem is not misalignment of the master cylinder and pedal assembly?
I ask because misalignment will cause master cylinder and bushing failures like you describe. Maybe there are other problems here that need addressing as well.
Aa for clutches, a few people here have used the McCloud twin disc clutches with good results, they are just a tad pricy. Not sure if there are any new options since I haven't been too active in the the thirdgen world lately
Your car seems to have had an automatic trans originally correct?
Did you convert to manual and install the pedals ect?
Are you sure the problem is not misalignment of the master cylinder and pedal assembly?
I ask because misalignment will cause master cylinder and bushing failures like you describe. Maybe there are other problems here that need addressing as well.
Aa for clutches, a few people here have used the McCloud twin disc clutches with good results, they are just a tad pricy. Not sure if there are any new options since I haven't been too active in the the thirdgen world lately
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From: Henrietta NY
Car: 1984 Trans Am L69
Engine: Sniper EFI Powered 355
Transmission: WC T5 w/ Steel Support Plate
Axle/Gears: 3.42 10 Bolt Posi
Re: Need a stout clutch that doesn't kill my hydraulics
$77 for both use code TRT30 to get 30% off both and order online
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From: huntsville, al
Car: 89 IROC
Engine: 6.8 HSR N2O
Transmission: TKO 600
Axle/Gears: 9" Moser 3.50 True trac
Re: Need a stout clutch that doesn't kill my hydraulics
I have a question.
Your car seems to have had an automatic trans originally correct?
Did you convert to manual and install the pedals ect?
Are you sure the problem is not misalignment of the master cylinder and pedal assembly?
I ask because misalignment will cause master cylinder and bushing failures like you describe. Maybe there are other problems here that need addressing as well.
Aa for clutches, a few people here have used the McCloud twin disc clutches with good results, they are just a tad pricy. Not sure if there are any new options since I haven't been too active in the the thirdgen world lately
Your car seems to have had an automatic trans originally correct?
Did you convert to manual and install the pedals ect?
Are you sure the problem is not misalignment of the master cylinder and pedal assembly?
I ask because misalignment will cause master cylinder and bushing failures like you describe. Maybe there are other problems here that need addressing as well.
Aa for clutches, a few people here have used the McCloud twin disc clutches with good results, they are just a tad pricy. Not sure if there are any new options since I haven't been too active in the the thirdgen world lately
The original plastic master cylinder blew the seal and started leaking into the floor board too. All of that was before I went to the center force clutch. It is much easier on the release assembly.
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