Transmissions and Drivetrain Need help with your trans? Problems with your axle?

Speedometer is off by 25-40km/h

Thread Tools
 
Search this Thread
 
Old 04-23-2019, 02:51 PM
  #1  
Junior Member
Thread Starter
 
davidmoore1988's Avatar
 
Join Date: Apr 2019
Location: Ontario Canaeda
Posts: 6
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes on 0 Posts
Car: 1984 Camaro Z28
Engine: 305
Transmission: 4 Speed Auto
Speedometer is off by 25-40km/h

Hello,
I just bought a 1984 Camaro Z28.
It came with 245/40ZR18 tires. I believe that the rear end may have been upgraded at one time.
I notice that when I am on the highway the speedometer can be out as much as 40km/h. If i am in the city it can be out around 20km/h.
Is there a way I can fix that? Or am I stuck with it? (unless I want to revert back to the original tire size and rear end of course)
Also does anyone know the factory tire size for this car? The VIN number section in the door was taken off on a body job.....
Thanks
Old 04-23-2019, 03:39 PM
  #2  
Supreme Member

iTrader: (1)
 
sofakingdom's Avatar
 
Join Date: Sep 2005
Posts: 26,029
Received 1,662 Likes on 1,261 Posts
Car: Yes
Engine: Usually
Transmission: Sometimes
Axle/Gears: Behind me somewhere
Re: Speedometer is off by 25-40km/h

Observe the ACTUAL rear gear ratio, MEASURE the ACTUAL tire radius by using a measuring tape from center of wheel to ground NOT "calculate" by the trade size printed on the tire, install the correct speedometer gears to match.

Original tire size was called 215/65-15.

Note incidentally, the emphasis on words like "observe", "actual" and "measure". These are critical concepts. What the previous owner told you, what the RPO codes say, "calculating" the tire diameter from those stupid numbers printed on them, are WORTHLESS. LOOK AT what is REALLY there, MEASURE things.

Last edited by sofakingdom; 04-23-2019 at 03:45 PM.
Old 04-23-2019, 03:40 PM
  #3  
Junior Member
Thread Starter
 
davidmoore1988's Avatar
 
Join Date: Apr 2019
Location: Ontario Canaeda
Posts: 6
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes on 0 Posts
Car: 1984 Camaro Z28
Engine: 305
Transmission: 4 Speed Auto
Re: Speedometer is off by 25-40km/h

Thanks for the tip. Install the correct speedometer gear to match the gear ratio do I need to tear apart the transmission?
Old 04-23-2019, 03:42 PM
  #4  
Sponsor

iTrader: (92)
 
Tuned Performance's Avatar
 
Join Date: Dec 2004
Location: Mile High Country !!!
Posts: 15,393
Received 644 Likes on 569 Posts
Car: 1967 Camaro, 91 z28
Engine: Lb9
Transmission: M20
Axle/Gears: J65 pbr on stock posi 10bolt
Re: Speedometer is off by 25-40km/h

Depending if the drive or driven gear needs to be replaced.
the drive gear you need to remove the torque arm and driveshaft to remove the tail housing. The driven gear comes out of the tailshaft housing.

https://www.tciauto.com/speedometer-gear-calculator
Old 04-23-2019, 03:45 PM
  #5  
Junior Member
Thread Starter
 
davidmoore1988's Avatar
 
Join Date: Apr 2019
Location: Ontario Canaeda
Posts: 6
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes on 0 Posts
Car: 1984 Camaro Z28
Engine: 305
Transmission: 4 Speed Auto
Re: Speedometer is off by 25-40km/h

how would I determine which gear needs to be replaced?
Old 04-23-2019, 03:48 PM
  #6  
Sponsor

iTrader: (92)
 
Tuned Performance's Avatar
 
Join Date: Dec 2004
Location: Mile High Country !!!
Posts: 15,393
Received 644 Likes on 569 Posts
Car: 1967 Camaro, 91 z28
Engine: Lb9
Transmission: M20
Axle/Gears: J65 pbr on stock posi 10bolt
Re: Speedometer is off by 25-40km/h

You need to determine what you have first. Rear gear ratio, tire size see the calculator.
remover the driven gear and shine a light in to see what drive gear you have.
Old 04-23-2019, 03:49 PM
  #7  
Supreme Member

iTrader: (1)
 
sofakingdom's Avatar
 
Join Date: Sep 2005
Posts: 26,029
Received 1,662 Likes on 1,261 Posts
Car: Yes
Engine: Usually
Transmission: Sometimes
Axle/Gears: Behind me somewhere
Re: Speedometer is off by 25-40km/h

EFFF the "calculator" for tire size. It will be WRONG. (that is, it will NOT match the ACTUAL size of the tires... see comments about "observe", "actual", and "measure" above) Guaranteed.

MEASURE the tire/wheel radius from the ground to the center of the wheel with a MEASURING TAPE.
Old 04-23-2019, 07:11 PM
  #8  
jmd
Supreme Member

iTrader: (4)
 
jmd's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jul 2000
Location: Aridzona
Posts: 6,287
Received 40 Likes on 39 Posts
Car: `86 SS / `87 SS
Engine: L69 w/ TPI on top / 305 4bbl
Transmission: `95 T56 \ `88 200-4R
Re: Speedometer is off by 25-40km/h

245/40R18 are pretty close in circumference to 245/50R16 that came stock on these cars.
I very much prefer copying what GM put in these cars for drive gear / speedo gear combinations.

At this point, grab your a magnet, light, small socket set and pop the driven gear and sleeve out of the tailhousing.Cable can generally stay attached. Count the drive teeth, and count the driven teeth.

The 84 had a SPID sticker, I think on the console. Maybe you still have it. If so, the rear gear ratio codes are listed here: http://sethirdgen.org/reardata.htm If your RPO (Let's say GU5, 3.23) and your RPM (Let's say 3200 rpm) at 60 in direct gear (4th in a 5 spd or D in the 700-R4) are a 1:1000 ratio, you'll know your rear gear is close to the RPO. A rear differential lube change is a pretty cheap and simple job to really check what ring and pinion teeth counts are in the diff. and things may be off enough you just gotta do it.

Once you know what is really in the tailhousing, and the diff, you can match up what gears are needed.

Here are examples of what GM used: https://www.thirdgen.org/forums/tran...ml#post5765491 (Post 16)

https://www.thirdgen.org/forums/tran...ive-gears.html (attachments.)

So you're missing some gear teeth counts. And you may or may not have what you think you have, and you may as well verify before ordering anything yet.
Related Topics
Thread
Thread Starter
Forum
Replies
Last Post
Konicokirkland
Electronics
3
09-15-2018 12:07 PM
rarebmx
History / Originality
14
04-14-2015 06:27 PM
mach158
Transmissions and Drivetrain
1
06-28-2002 08:30 AM
CamaroX84
Tech / General Engine
1
06-11-2001 10:36 PM
CamaroX84
Tech / General Engine
7
05-20-2001 03:00 PM



Quick Reply: Speedometer is off by 25-40km/h



All times are GMT -5. The time now is 05:54 AM.