funstick

hey gys got the gm goodrich site. they have performance parts for the 60v v6

i found heads. and lots of other goodies. even a realy silly aluminum block with four bolts mains.

Ryan_Alswede

https://www.spoperformanceparts.com/ Is the web page he is talking about, looks like everything that just came on a 3.4L Camaro engine, nothing fancy.

Ryan_Alswede

Why does it say that the 3.4L S10 swap motor has iron heads,,,, I thought they where Aluminum??? Is it only the Camaro 3.4L that have Aluminum heads???

Ryan_Alswede

Very interesting site, I was always told on the boards that I had iron head but I don't. COOL!!

Ryan_Alswede

You know for all their braging about GM performace parts you don't see a set of headers for our cars, so whats the point of all that when you have a weak link.

I Cant Drive 55

I know the 3.1 front wheel drive engines had aluminum heads but I dont think the F-bodies had them. Correct me if I'm wrong.

Ragnarok_Tyr

I, too, was under the impression that aluminum heads only came on certain east/west setups, and that ours are iron. The splayed four-bolt block was funny, it would be cool to build one up really solidly and see how much power it would take.

CaliCamaroRS

Aluminum heads were ONLY on FWD Gen II engines. NO RWD 60* ever got aluminum heads.

Ryan,
You really should be able to tell the difference between iron and aluminum.....

Ryan_Alswede

CaliCamaroRS What about the 3.4?? Didn't that have Alumnium??

CaliCamaroRS

FWD 3.4 has aluminum heads
RWD 3.4 has iron heads

Ryan_Alswede

Well isn't that the sh*ts, I guess it's GOOD on one hand becuase you don't have to worry about worping heads. ON That GM performance site they DO have performance aluminum heads, I guess to use it that all aluminum block. But the weight benifit would be a plus too.

fly'n_low-3.1

YA alluminum heads on an iron block...not really a good idea. one of the reasons why the isuzu engine in the duramaz diesel is having so many problems.

AFrikanGoodTime

I've been trying to find out more info on the Gen III heads and intake manifold design. Wondering if anyone has pics of them to see of any compatability in fabbing them into the 2.8 MPFI intake setup? The heads have MUCH better flow ratings than ours do.

Ryan_Alswede

I wish somebody would have pics of the 3.4L heads next to 3.1L heads, would be interesting, with views of all sides.

DAN_92RS

v6 /60 aluminum heads wont work on our engines because the intake ports are different. they wouldn't work on our intake manifold

DAN_92RS

buy the chevy power guid it will show u tha diffrence in tha heads and why they won't work we have siamesed ports the aluminum heads don't

AFrikanGoodTime

I'm wondering how close the lower intake manifold of a GenIII motor would match up to the upper manifolds of our MPFI? I know the Heads won't match to our lower intake. Ive been trying to find pics of the upper and lower manifolds for the GenIII motor to see if they can be machined or cut and welded in some way to match up together without too much fabbing.

Camar_Hunter_c

the aluminum heads off a 88-92/3 3.1 FWD will bolt right onto our engine. the base intake is the same. they are not going to pay to engineer 2 intakes for the same engine. The only ones I see being different are the 3100 series, and the DOHC of the barretta/Lumina type.

KED85

For the real education one needs to visit a good wrecking yard and see all the V-6s side by side.
Funny looking at Fieros.
Those Fiero V-6 valve covers FIT our F body V-6 as those are the same IRON HEADS and on a 60* V-6 based FWD engine.
ALL 60* V-6 based engines (NOT Buick/Olds FWD engines they are DIFFERENT!) 2.8 FRONT WHEEL DRIVE ENGINES UP TO ABOUT 88 89 had the IRON HEADS and were "Identical" to our F-body engines.
There are lots of the "variations" to make those FWD things, not worth the typing. Accept they are "different".
When the Front Wheel Drive went to Second Gen FWD engines, they got the revised aluminum head design which also has a matching intake set up. Think 3.1's.
No it will not correctly interchange with our 60* north south engines. Not one single piece, I'll bet, except the Electronic EGR assembly (hint-hint!!).
The Fiero Intake will not interchange correctly with our car either. The intake air location bends down and over to work in the Feiro underhood area.
Our F body intake goes down and straight ahead.
The Fiero does use a "HOLLEY" Air intake set up.
I logically assume since the Fiero was such a low volumn car, they sourced out the make of that part.
Holley won the bid.
It will not interchange CORRECTLY in our F Body either.
It has different hook ups all over.
One can score some 2.8 parts from the FWD cars.

The 3.4 block ALWAYS was a cast iron mill.
Almost every piece is cast iron.
ALL F body v-6 60* mills are also the same, cast iron.
NO aluminum heads ever produced for our F body car.
Nor will any be made.
We own a orpahan engine.
Our north south 60* V6 engine died on the assembly line in Late 1995. Replacing the 60* V-6 3.4 standard engine with the 3.8 Buick design engine (from late 1950, debuted in early 1960's maybe 1962 Buick Special) until the FBody died in 2002.
The 60* V-6 3.4 lives on in the Buick Rendevous, as the FWD version with those wicked cantered angle aluminum heads in an All Wheel Drive chassis.
That's cool.
I want the one I saw at the dealership Dan works at!

Email me if you want to see side by side head pics of 2.8/3.1 RWD heads & the FWD Second Generation aluminum style heads against a 2.8 RWD block (like would be in our F body cars).

AFrikanGoodTime

Guys, you both are talking about the GenII heads and not the GenIII heads. GM lists a GENIII performance head and intake that sound like they have more of a raised runner design. I can't find pics! Anyone?

KED85

Are you SURE the application is for 60* V-6 RWD engines?
We own orphan engines to GM production lines.
Just a reality statement not a put down.

AFrikanGoodTime

Cylinder Head V6/60º
These Gen III cylinder heads are used on late model V6/60º engines for improved performance. They feature an increase of 0.040" in intake valve diameter and a reshaped port for a flow improvement of 16.7% at 0.450" of valve lift. The exhaust port has been reshaped into a "D" port configuration for a flow improvement of 31.7% at 0.450" of valve lift.

Part # 24507577

Im not so worried about the fwd problem. They must be fwd I'm assuming because of their use on "late model V6/60*"

MDv6man

I have been reading about the FWD vs RWD V-6's for some time and was wondering what it would take to be done.

Here are my thoughts

One would have to use the RWD Block and fill it with FWD pistons to get the valves (on the FWD heads) to not hit the pistons. This would necessitate the need for the FWD intake due to the port location. This is the area I am currently going over in my head. I have come up with two ideas

1. If an adapter plate could be fabricated out of aluminum (much like a carb spacer) to allow one to use the Camaro's plenum and bolt it to the intake manifold. I think by doing this, it would allow one to install a distributor in the area that is currenly plugged. Doing this may also necessitate a new hood to clear the increase in height.

2. I was flipping through an older magazine (2001) and noticed that MSD(?) is now selling a distributorless igniton kit that includes everything needed in the kit. The part # was 7600 and was called the CPC ignition kit. It said it was for 6 and 8 cylinder engines so if this is made for the 60* v6, we could move over to a distributorless ignition. We could then use the FWD Intake maniflod and lower plenum and then all that would have to be done would be to adapt the F-bodies upper plenum to the FWD lower Plenum.

Thoughts? Comments?

AFrikanGoodTime

I'm trying to find pics of the manifolds to see if material could be added an then remachined to fit the rwd and the 2.8 upper manifolds? We have close to the same ideas.

Ryan_Alswede

We need lots and lots of pictures for those of us that don't have time to go to the bone yard and pull this stuff apart. Then we can get more people involved.

Ryan_Alswede

http://www.msdignition.com/np2002/np2002pd1.htm

Sorry for 90 degree v6s and 90 degree v8s

KED85

Use the distributor set up from the 1993-95 3.4 block.
It's what ya seek.

Ryan_Alswede

And just use the MSD box on that website to control it. Way cheaper and you can get your own wires, you don't need the kit, with the coils because the 1993-1995 will have good enough ones for free.