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Old Jan 23, 2003 | 05:40 PM
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look at this/ is this bs????

look what i found on ebay?? bought this Camaro 3 years ago to see how quick I could make the little V-6 go. It's best 1/4mile time is 14.9sec@93mph. The mods it still retains are: 3.55 gears, Edlebrock TorkerII intake, high volume Melling oilpump, electric fan, Screw-in rocker studs, Gasket matched exhaust manifolds)1 cracked a bit), cam is .3939lift intake .4098exhaust running it 3 degrees advanced, (was about to go bigger), B&M shift kit in the Turbo200, ugly but functional aluminum hood scoop, 15X7 wheels from 98 S-10 all in good shape, new Gabriel shocks and struts, nice GoodYear Aquatreads up front, the little Michelins on the rear were just to get by after one of the 255/60/15 Firehawks developed a blister. I ran a Carter 9000 series 600 cfm carb and 14deg initial advance and 91 octane 10 percent alcohol blend with a 50,000 volt Accel ignition

can this realy work ?? alcohol??


http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/ws/eB...&category=6783
Old Jan 23, 2003 | 05:56 PM
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Wow! If we can get past how ugly the car is, You have to admit that time is impressive. I've always wanted to see what would happen if you built one of our little motors. Gives you something to think about.
Old Jan 23, 2003 | 06:48 PM
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i think that might be possible. those carbed 2.8's can be spunkey with some mods done to them. reading that makes me have a little more faith in my bird. (in sig)
Old Jan 23, 2003 | 07:21 PM
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I'm sorry....I'm still laughing at the hood scoop. 14.9 on a V6...pretty damn amazing. Totally not worth the money except as a conversation piece....but still, something to think about!
Old Jan 23, 2003 | 07:26 PM
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Oh man that is the ugliest hood scoop I have ever seen. Looks like to me LMAO soo much
Old Jan 23, 2003 | 07:28 PM
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Man that pore camaro has had a ruff life. That hood scoopes gay but thats a quick lil 6. lol..pore car.. RIP
Old Jan 23, 2003 | 07:29 PM
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Must catch air like a MOTHER though.... I'd LOVE to have that on a carbed car if it weren't so *** damn ugly.
Old Jan 24, 2003 | 05:38 AM
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i dunno, i'm skeptical because of no engine shots, plus the huge dent on the right side and use of a spare tire!
Old Jan 24, 2003 | 08:52 AM
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I think it may be possible.

It doeshave quite a few mods and it looks like all of the drivetrain was taken into consideration.

Maybe WayneRS should take a ride up and check it out!!
Old Jan 24, 2003 | 09:20 AM
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that woudl be a nice parts car for the no more than like 200 if the bidding went up that far
Old Jan 24, 2003 | 01:50 PM
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He probably didn't take engine bay photos because it looks as nasty as the rest of the car. Maybe this is the guy from another photo I've seen on Thirdgen that hooked up a Toro blower to his thirdgen.
Old Jan 24, 2003 | 03:07 PM
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I feel the green spirit of eveny in this thread.....

I believe function comes befor form, long as it gets up and goes I could care less if that hood scoop looked like a giant D!ck.

go before show any dam day.
Old Jan 24, 2003 | 06:14 PM
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Definitely function before form..but if you nail 2 in one, even better.
Old Jan 25, 2003 | 03:53 AM
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all it needs is some cheap bolt-on hoodscoop from a jegs catalog to get rid of that gruesome thing, wash it, get the pile of old wet leaves and sludge off the window, throw on a krylon paint job, and take care of the tire, and you'd be good.
Old Jan 25, 2003 | 09:22 AM
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I would say this car is "probably" a fake. No engine shots makes me think its fake. I posted about a 4.3L camaro here a few days ago, wrote the guy, and he doesn't have and engine shots, but he will send them as soon as he gets them. I am going to write to this guy and ask for some engine shots. If it was real, I am sure he would have pics to prove his amazing fast 2.8.

If it is real, maybe he would join the board, and be willing to tell us what mods he placed on his car.
Old Jan 25, 2003 | 11:00 AM
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Well maybe if it was a 4.3 T5 it might be hard to believe but why do you need a engine pic to believe a 4.3 th350???

its carbed not mpfi.

long as your not dealing with any computer crap any engine swap is possiable. When your dealing with an auto trans your only consern is the drive shaft, which can be made cheap.

I have no problem believing it.

the carbed 4.3 auto trans swap is way too easy, almost childs play.

I wanna see the 4.3 MPFI T5 swap.
Old Jan 25, 2003 | 04:20 PM
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Originally posted by MDv6man
I think it may be possible.

It doeshave quite a few mods and it looks like all of the drivetrain was taken into consideration.

Maybe WayneRS should take a ride up and check it out!!
Where is the car located at ? Louisiana ? ....I could not get into ebay to look at it ! Maybe my computer does not want to download the picture with that damn ugly hood scoop ! It looks like that thing came from K-mart ! But , wait , K-Mart would have a better quality than that huh ?
Old Jan 27, 2003 | 11:04 AM
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Originally posted by Gumby
Well maybe if it was a 4.3 T5 it might be hard to believe but why do you need a engine pic to believe a 4.3 th350???
Because so many jokers out there think that

3-speed automatic + made by GM = TH350

They never consider it could be a THM200C, THM 125, etc.

Until I see pics, my money's on that its a 2.8 with a 200C trans.
Old Jan 27, 2003 | 03:13 PM
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I have pictures of his engine bay. I wrote him, I am going to post everything he said in his email's and the pictures he sent. He said I could post everything. He said he had no time to join the boards.
Owner of car.
"Geez, you think 14.9 is quick? I don't have any pics of the engine bay right now. I'll take some when there's light tomorrow. I have to admit that the car was a toasd when I bought it. It did take a long time to get the camaro run as quick as it did. One of the best improvements was shedding dead-weight from
under the hood AC compressor, emmissions equipment, (the ridiculuosly large 20lb clutch-fan was a big boost in freeing up some torque) I kept power streering in it but removed the belt to race. Advancing the cam 3 degrees was big help in low and midrange torque. Most guys like to retard the cam to improve topend power, but I found that in a highwinding 2.8 needs the boost off the line. I experimented with shift points a lot and found that about 6500 was best. I know it sound high but with the gearing in the turbo200 In put the car right at it's torque peak when it grabbed 2nd and 3rd. Even though the horse power starts falling off at 5900 the torque made up the los after the shift. That little2.8 suprised plenty of 5.0 mustangs and v-8 camaros. I have to admit though if I had a passenger it mad a big difference in accleration. It sucked having a car that was so sensative to weight. A full tank of gas would help with traction but kill further d! own the track. I found that with 3.55 gears vs the stock 3.23
and 245/60/14 Cheetahs I got just the right amount of tirespin off the line that it was like havin' 4.10's for the first 10ft. And got the motor upto speed better. But, 1 drop oft anything on the asphalt and it would fry the tires. "

Then followed by:
"I probably won't join the message board but you can post the pics if you want. I just don't have time to track any more stuff on the net. There is a site dedicated to the 60 degree V6. They really are potentially great motors. They make up for the displacement easily. The cumbustion chambers and intake and exhaust ports make it easy to get a bunch of power esp. with extra compression. I'm guessing mine was puttin' out about 250 horses. Midget cars running this motor are making about 280hp with just a piston change 13:1 comp. and still have good reliability. I'm enlosing some Dyno specs from various 60 deg V6's. The stability of these motors is impressive. There's a bone stock motor turning over 10,000rpm, wasn't making much power but I'm sure the stock fuel and ignition systems just couldn't keep up with the engine. My next project will probably by a 78 Volvo Wagon with another V6. I'm gonna shoot for 12's. THat wagon is awfully heavy though. We'll see. By the way the track I ran the Camaro was Heartland Park In Topeaka "

And finally he sent me the pictures once there was light.
"Here's some pics. Note the read cross bar to save motor mounts. Also the aluminum brackets from a 90's Lumina. As you can see, the smog pump, charcoal canisters, and assorted plumbing are all missing."

Pictures next to come.
Old Jan 27, 2003 | 03:15 PM
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Old Jan 27, 2003 | 03:16 PM
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Old Jan 27, 2003 | 03:17 PM
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Old Jan 27, 2003 | 03:19 PM
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Old Jan 27, 2003 | 03:20 PM
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Old Jan 27, 2003 | 05:35 PM
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Okay, I can't figure out the last picture...? And I take it that he was either smoking a cigarette, or the car's on fire?
Old Jan 27, 2003 | 06:36 PM
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Isn't that an awsome cut out hood scoop. And the car is probably onfire *laughs*
Old Jan 27, 2003 | 07:00 PM
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SOMEONE forgot to make sure there's no fuel left in the carburetor before using it as an ash tray..
Old Jan 30, 2003 | 03:59 AM
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all those leaves in there probably add 10hp each too!

that engine looks like hell, but i guess looks aren't everything.
Old Jan 30, 2003 | 06:42 AM
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Well what happens with the leaves is when they get pulled into the intake, they get stuck in the valves, keeping them open a little longer than they should because they have to push down the extra height of the leaf..so basically, it acts like a cam by adding duration.
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