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Old Jun 13, 2003 | 07:38 PM
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Will V8 Connecting Rods or Pistons work on our V6's?

Does anyone perhaps know the answer to this?
Old Jun 13, 2003 | 08:50 PM
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V8 pistons are a larger bore than the V6. A 5.7L V8 has a 4.000" bore from the factory. A 60 degree V6 has (I believe) a 3.500 bore. They won't work. As for the rods, I'm not 100% sure there, but IMO, I highly doubt it. Are you trying to add power to your V6?

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Old Jun 13, 2003 | 09:44 PM
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Originally posted by Quick_Trans_Am
V8 pistons are a larger bore than the V6. A 5.7L V8 has a 4.000" bore from the factory. A 60 degree V6 has (I believe) a 3.500 bore. They won't work. As for the rods, I'm not 100% sure there, but IMO, I highly doubt it. Are you trying to add power to your V6?
the 267 Chevy V8 uses a 3.5" bore, so they would technically fit. But i am wondering if the connecting rods/pistons/crank will all work together.
Old Jun 13, 2003 | 10:37 PM
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doubt it...you gotta look at wrist pin location too.
Old Jun 14, 2003 | 01:41 AM
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doubt it...you gotta look at wrist pin location too.
yeah, thats what i am basically trying to find out. (if they are the same or not)
Old Jun 14, 2003 | 01:56 AM
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Lee, May I ask you-
"What is your intentions for building a high performance 60*v6 motor?"

You are asking alot of questions about internals and expensive modifications to these little motors- With that kind of money to waste, why don't you just go cheaper route and put in a v8 with twice the power? So again I ask why the V6- whats your intentions?

personally I think you just shoot your mouth off trying to act like a bigshot- most people with common sense don't mess with a 60*v6 motor for power unless they are stuck with it and can't afford anything else- so what is it.

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Old Jun 14, 2003 | 02:04 AM
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Originally posted by AGood2.8
Lee, May I ask you-
"What is your intentions for building a high performance 60*v6 motor?"

You are asking alot of questions about internals and expensive modifications to these little motors- With that kind of money to waste, why don't you just go cheaper route and put in a v8 with twice the power? So again I ask why the V6- whats your intentions?
If i wanted a V8, i would get one. I could build a 450hp 350 V8 right now if i wanted to. I have the money, the tools and the time.

The problem is, i dont want a V8 in my FBody, my firebird is just a project car. (more of an experiment) I got the car for cheap ($100), it has hsitty paint and shiity interior. I LOVE building/making things, i also love turbochargers, i also like to do things that nobody else has done before. (a high powered 2.8L fbody)

So, this is basically the perfect opportunity for me to do 3 things i love, all at the same time.

And, i will ALSO be getting a V8 when i am done with my current project. How does 454 SS sound to you?
Old Jun 14, 2003 | 02:11 AM
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You must be a rich man with alot of money to waste then. That litle motor will never handle the power (course you have no clue of that otherwise you wouldn't post the naive comments that you do).
But go ahead and take a crappy $100 car and build a mystery $6000 500HP 2.8 V6 to blow up then replace just for fun.

Kid, you talk alot of sh*t and you are full of it.
Old Jun 14, 2003 | 02:22 AM
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Originally posted by AGood2.8
You must be a rich man with alot of money to waste then. That litle motor will never handle the power (course you have no clue of that otherwise you wouldn't post the naive comments that you do).
But go ahead and take a crappy $100 car and build a mystery $6000 500HP 2.8 V6 to blow up then replace just for fun.

Kid, you talk alot of sh*t and you are full of it.
how do you know the block wont handle 400hp? None of you losers have ever tryed, because you are too chicken ****. (and you are also poor)

You guys just assume these blocks are weak, but you have never took the time to push them to its limits.

I have seen 1.9L honda aluminum block civics pushing 600hp, 3 cyl Geo metro's pushing 300hp, and you meen to tell me that an Iron block 2.8 Cant make 400?

The car is in almost perfect shape exept for peeling paint, and a broken center console and back seats have a few holes in them.

I baught the car from my best freind, because he hit a HUGE rock in the road, dented the tranny pan and broke the tranny fluid filter inside of it. it wouldnt suck up fliud, so he assumed the tranny was dead and sold it to me for 100$ What did i do? replace the tranny filter and bent the dent back out. Works great!

You are obviously not a risk taker, i am. In my mind, i think this block will handle at LEAST 350hp when rebuilt. That is more power than 95% of 350 3rd gens have.
Old Jun 14, 2003 | 02:22 AM
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if we all think about it, it is a kinda stupid question while at the same time it's a tad bit interesting...just the simple nature, not trying to change any internals of my motor such as pistons for no good reason, but that's just me. I'm sure the journals on the cranks are different size for v6'v8 so i'm not sure the connecting rods base would work in conjunction with the crank, and as stated before the wristpin might not work quite as well either, but why not waste ur money on buying forged v6 specific internals, i know there out there, and if you've got the money to waste i'm sure they're probably more expensive than the v8 counterparts....think stroker while ur at it, over bore, better heads, nitrous oxide, and twin turbos...then get the ***** rolling. I don't know the purpose of having a second car to tinker with, and for my personal taste a project car is a car with a purpose too, it's project is that hopefully at some point in time it will be completed...my firebird's a project car, and won't befinished anytime soon, but part of that project has a lil' to do with not having a v6 in it anymore, and the rest with refirbing the car to better than new condition....give me like uh, 20 years and we'll see what we get.
Old Jun 14, 2003 | 02:36 AM
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Originally posted by AGood2.8
Lee, May I ask you-
"What is your intentions for building a high performance 60*v6 motor?"

You are asking alot of questions about internals and expensive modifications to these little motors- With that kind of money to waste, why don't you just go cheaper route and put in a v8 with twice the power? So again I ask why the V6- whats your intentions?

personally I think you just shoot your mouth off trying to act like a bigshot- most people with common sense don't mess with a 60*v6 motor for power unless they are stuck with it and can't afford anything else- so what is it.
and also, 2.8L is not "tiny" in the import world. You only consider them tiny when comparing them to 350's.

IIRC, the Subaro WRX has a 2.0L. By those standards, a 2.8L is huge.

It all depends on what side of the wall you are looking over from.
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Originally posted by Lee7
how do you know the block wont handle 400hp? None of you losers have ever tryed, because you are too chicken ****. (and you are also poor)
I'm poor and chickensh*t partner?

Kid you are way out of your league talkin crap to me-

Let's see, if I recall, weren't you the punk kid that brags about making $500 a week working much overtime as a grunt for a moving company? And I'm poor?

Got news for you dipsh*t- I make 6 figures a year. I happen to be building this little V6 car in what little spare time I have just for fun because "I wanted a V6 Camaro"- why- I have made it into the best handling 3rd gen street f-body on these boards because of its weight bias.

This car is a very small part of my life (just a fun outlet from dayend responsiblities)- Your car is your whole fu(king life.

You want to see real power you little ChickenSh*t? Heres my race Vette- You have know clue who you are talking to.
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Old Jun 14, 2003 | 02:54 AM
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Originally posted by AGood2.8
I'm poor and chickensh*t partner?

Kid you are way out of your league talkin crap to me-

Let's see, if I recall, weren't you the punk kid that brags about making $500 a week working much overtime as a grunt for a moving company? And I'm poor?

Got news for you dipsh*t- I make 6 figures a year. I happen to be building this little V6 car in what little spare time I have just for fun because "I wanted a V6 Camaro"- why- I have made it into the best handling 3rd gen street f-body on these boards because of its weight bias.

This car is a very small part of my life (just a fun outlet from dayend responsiblities)- Your car is your whole fu(king life.

You want to see real power you little ChickenSh*t? Heres my race Vette- You have know clue who you are talking to.
your vette?

laff, what a poser.

you wish your poor self could afford that vette. Stop being an internet poser.

I work for a moving company until i goto College in sept, i have full tuition, and live with my partents. Have very little bills to pay, WTF do you think i spend my money on?

Like i said, you WISH that vette was yours, stop kidding yourself loser.
Old Jun 14, 2003 | 03:14 AM
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Lee, your a ****ing dumbass.
You just join these boards and start talking trash to everyone.
Well..
Agood2.8 is 36 or 37 years old..... ur 17..18..19...20..
To build a 2.8 to hand over 400hp is gonna take a lot of cash.
That vette is his, why wouldn't u think it isnt?
U wanna say cause we never saw it in RL dont you?
WELL GUESS WHAT.
We never saw ur car in real life.
You could be talking **** about everything.
Your all talk as far as i'm concerned.
I'll believe your 400+ hp 2.8 when I see it LOL
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Lee,
I don't know how in the world i missed over youre chick**** comment, if i had seen it my reply wouldn't have been so inviting. Given the suspension performance upgrades that Agood2.8 has done to his car, and the numbers he's posted from races i have to believe that he's walked the walk as well as talking his talk. And the beauty is despite how much net searching i've done, that corvette pic has never come up, that's one from a home archive buddy. So past all that, what makes you so confident that you can build a 400hp six cylinder camaro? Nothing but dyno numbers from the deskdyno? There will be many other encounters that you'll have in building your "ultry high performance-low tech" engine that are going to leave ur mind boggled with questions for which you won't have an answer. You speak of all the newer moddled cars that are coming out with low displacement turbocharged intercooled engines, amongst other things past that turbo's we have to remember that those motors are "new technology engines". Some have computers with the ability to adapt to changing conditions, things like VVT and other nice lil' add ons also help the engines to be more effecient in producing horsepower than our older 2valve pushrod motors we're working with.


All this aside, i wish you the best of luck with fulfilling your dream of a turbocharged 2.8L. Just curious, since this is your $100 play car, is that S/S 454 gonna be ur real powerride? and what are u taking with you to college? Just a thought, know that my firebird has to be reliable enough to make it the 3 hours to school and 3 hours home everyonce ina while, not to mention the weekend hour long (one way) trips to Kansas City to visit the girlfriend wehn i'm at school, reliability is definately needed, which kinda makes me think, how reliable do you believe a 400hp 2.8L v6 is going to be? and on tuning the turbo down to create less boost for you, is that really needed? just curious, cause if you're not haulin *** with ur foot to the floor and grabin' gears is it really goign to make all that much difference as to how much "maximum" horsepower your engine can produce? Just curious, ur friends the turbo expert find out for me. but all my friends are running 12's with motors alone, damn displacement.....guess that's why we all consider our engines to be "lil v6's" problem is, i never saw it as a insult unlike you, cause incase u havent looked under the hood of ur car, all ya got is a lil' v6. amazin eh.
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wow, lee how old are you. i remeber beeing on a teen ink BB about a yaer ago with some friends of mine.i heard(read) some thirteen year old girls that talk alot like you do.

and on that whole living with your parents thing. not usually braggable. course then again you think owning a 2.8l is an insult. so clearly you mixed up.

if your so rich why don't you do the honorable thing and start helping your parents out with some of there expendetures. i currently live with my mom in a three bedroom duplex in sw beaverton. i pay as much of the house payment as she does and i pay the internet and buy haf the groceries. your parents raised you for 18 years, it may be time to start paying them back instaed of selfishly starting a one man car club.

you also said your tuition is paid for. did momy and dady pay for that too?

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the old 2.00 inch journal sbc rods will work in a 60 degree they just need to be milled down they are two wide.
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