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Old Feb 21, 2004 | 03:46 PM
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New times! (non-turbo, sorry)

I got ONE friggen run in. 16.713 @ 79.54 mph. 3/10ths drop, from a 3.1! I like it.

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Old Feb 21, 2004 | 10:49 PM
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nice. gotta get posi and a TURBO! do i smell a 13.xx comin on with 12psi??
Old Feb 22, 2004 | 08:32 AM
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Mebbe... just a couple more weeks...

Hey, I'm off Tuesday... are you free?
Old Feb 22, 2004 | 02:22 PM
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Doward if you're gonna ask the bloke for a date then just out with it..

The track sucked. they were running super gas cars and let em go in front of all the test N tuners.. but not too long.. we'll have some pretty stuff to show off.. we've got some top-secret things to add on before we really make it nice..

the project has never frayed.. we've just been slammed with work on both ends.. the positive side is that makes finances available so that it can get done.. we'll make it good for ya..

until then, project: boosted stock will be happily pushing along.
Old Feb 22, 2004 | 08:02 PM
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Not sure what you ran before in that car.

However, just be happy to have jobs in this economy!
Old Feb 22, 2004 | 10:03 PM
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Yep... old best on teh 2.8 was a 17.071, with a 2.387 60'...
Old Feb 23, 2004 | 02:03 PM
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Hey doward, it's beej. How was traction? what was the 60' on that run? I got to talk to Adam the other day about it, never got the 60' time from him though. I got the ported/polished TB on this weekend...nice little gain. Edelbrock headers and Mopar PCM will be on before I come home for Spring Break!! I believe I'll give you a good run now . Intake manifold will be in in the next few weeks and I'll be working on that, probably put it on this summer.
Old Feb 23, 2004 | 02:34 PM
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Right now maybe... we'll see what happens after I get the 3" flowmaster exhaust, 3" downpipe, and 12 psi after the weekend.

I'm aiming for the stang, not for you!! LOL - though I bet you still kill me off the line. Talk about TORQUE!
Old Feb 23, 2004 | 06:08 PM
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surrrre.. come after the V.. thats ok, by the time i let you run the pony, it'll have the 331 on 17 psi..
its a very inlaid plan..

my strategery is 2nd to none.

so... yeah.. shut up kid!
Old Feb 24, 2004 | 10:15 PM
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Hey doward. What was your mods? Was that a stock 3.1 vrs the stock 2.8? If I get ahold of a new crank for my extra engine I'd like to know what to expect. Also, what rear end are you running?
Old Feb 24, 2004 | 10:25 PM
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More or less stock.. had a bigger cam, but running really lean. I want another run, after I get the AFPR done!

3.42 open rear here, stock.
Old Feb 24, 2004 | 10:56 PM
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a 2.8 ,3.1 or a 3.4 (or whatever) what did u expect it to do in a 3400lb car

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Old Feb 24, 2004 | 11:12 PM
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Re: its

Originally posted by Z28guy83
a 2.8 ,3.1 or a 3.4 (or whatever) what did u expect it to do in a 3400lb car
what?
Old Feb 25, 2004 | 12:44 AM
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ok i know this is

gonna start alot of crap but why waste the money and effort on a 3.1 if your gonna spend the mone and have to have a turbo v6 buy yourself a grand national motor and go from there the 2.8 and 3.1 are trash and for the money you couldve built a monster v8 and get 10's or better out of it i mean hell the tta with the 3.8 in it ran a 12 's from the door


but thats just my .02
"There is no replacement for displacement!"


Old Feb 25, 2004 | 05:52 AM
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z28, go take yourself back to your side of the board. I've seen members banned for coming to the v6 room talking trash.

Build what you want, we will build what we want.

Also, if you knew more about dowards project, he has less then 500 bux into it (I belive). What v8 could he have bought, along with trans, wire harness, and other things needed for that cost?

Not everyone wishes to build the over popular v8
Old Feb 25, 2004 | 07:58 AM
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i like chevy v8s, i have nothing against them. but, these cars handle a ton better with v6s and the v6 engine is fun to mess with. my little 3.1 gets a whole lot of attention everytime i go to the track....a lot more than a 10 sec 350 would. also, the TTA motors, if you can even find one, don't just drop in. there is more custom fitting to be done with a TTA motor or something of that sort than would be required to fit a small block under the hood.
Old Feb 25, 2004 | 08:28 AM
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Re: ok i know this is

Originally posted by Z28guy83
gonna start alot of crap but why waste the money and effort on a 3.1 if your gonna spend the mone and have to have a turbo v6 buy yourself a grand national motor and go from there the 2.8 and 3.1 are trash and for the money you couldve built a monster v8 and get 10's or better out of it i mean hell the tta with the 3.8 in it ran a 12 's from the door


but thats just my .02
"There is no replacement for displacement!"


lets see your loveley V8 try to take a sharp turn.

Also, an FBody with a 60 degree V6 in it only weighs ~3100lbs, it will only take 200hp to kill a stock 350 TPI in the quarter mile.
Old Feb 25, 2004 | 08:47 AM
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Hey lee7, how goes your turbo project? I been gone for like 7 months so I have no clue whats going around here anymore.
Old Feb 25, 2004 | 09:02 AM
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Originally posted by F585
Hey lee7, how goes your turbo project? I been gone for like 7 months so I have no clue whats going around here anymore.
Going good. The engine is almost complete, heads just need to be finished porting and i need to buy some larger injectors and top end gaskets, etc. Stupid stuff. I lost my job 3 months ago because of cold weather, but got another which doesnt pay nearly as good as my old one. So money is slim until i get my old job back as soon as the weather gets warmer.

Plus i junked my Firebird, it was a POS anyways, a project car. I am thinking about putting this engine in my BMW, or a Fiero GT... or a Custom Built Lotus 7esque. (www.stalkerv6.com)

I will post back here when i get the engine running and everything, i know its not going to be in a FBody, but you guys will be glad to see numbers.
Old Feb 25, 2004 | 10:29 AM
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well

as far as taking sharp turns goes doesnt matter what motor u got as long as you suspension is done right it doesnt matter ok the 500 dollar part is good ( i only paid 300 for my 400 sb) which was 300hp to start with and im 2 seconds faster so ill just go back to my little corner of the board waiting for the next time i can take a shot at you little v6 guys


Old Feb 25, 2004 | 10:35 AM
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Hum, so 200 bux for tranny, wireharness, springs, motor mounts, ecm. Plus whatever to make that engine reliable.

Sorry

Yep, go over to your side of the board where your comments are more welcome
Old Feb 25, 2004 | 10:37 AM
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Re: well

Originally posted by Z28guy83
as far as taking sharp turns goes doesnt matter what motor u got as long as you suspension is done right it doesnt matter
So I guess a more 50/50 weight distribution doesn't matter in handling??? Can we say lurker?? bet you haven't even read the other many paged threads on this turbo setup that doward is doing have you? You see a v6 member proud about droping time in the 1/4 and you have to come in here and say what a waste just to make yourself feel better??? I feel sorry for you, and am glad I don't feel the way you do. I hate it when people have know idea what is going on and bash something that someone has put so much time and effort into. Again....I'm sorry you feel this way.
Old Feb 25, 2004 | 11:14 AM
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Re: well

[QUOTE]Originally posted by Z28guy83
[B]as far as taking sharp turns goes doesnt matter what motor u got as long as you suspension is done right it doesnt matter ok the 500 dollar part is good ( i only paid 300 for my 400 sb) which was 300hp to start with and im 2 seconds faster so ill just go back to my little corner of the board waiting for the next time i can take a shot at you little v6 guys




We have two cars, car a and car b. same year.
Car a has a v6

Car b has a v8

The both have the same suspension.
Car a will dog the **** outa car b in tight turns ANY DAY OF THE WEEK!
anyone who has not driven a v6 3rd gen can not comment on the handling compaired to a v8 one.
So z, your two seconds faster now? So i take it you ran 17's before?

Also most of the v6'ers here are getting these 3.1 and 3.4's for $500 and under. Show me a RUNNING gn motor with the turbo for that much.

for the money you couldve built a monster v8 and get 10's<~~~ So for the $500(whats techs turbo up to $100) that we spend on the 3.4 your saying you could build a v8 that will run 10's ? Is your car leaking exhaust fumes onto the car agian?


lets see your loveley V8 try to take a sharp turn. <~~ I've known z for 20+ years and his car can take a sharp turn BUT he has suspension work done also. just doesnt know crap about the 6's.

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Old Feb 25, 2004 | 12:07 PM
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back on subject...

Doward, so why don't you go with a taller rear end? I'm waiting for money to show up in my pocket so I can get a 4.11 from a scrapper here in town. That would help out alot wouldn't it?
Old Feb 25, 2004 | 01:42 PM
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Doward here!

I was thinking about going 3.73s, but have decided against it. Why? I can't get traction as it is! Besides, this is a daily driver, so hiway mileage IS important.

z28guy... let me put it to you in plain english. My 2950lbs (yes, I've weighed it) 3.1 V6, with about $1200 into it (the whole motor, and tranny) is going to flat out kick your 400's ***, and I won't have to worry about overheating on the stock radiator, to boot. And when that little import loses you in the curves, I'll be schooling him on what an Fbody knows about handling

Take $500, buy a motor, build it up, and hit low 13's reliably, any day of the week, at any given time. I spent $300 turbocharging the car. The other $200 was for the 3.1 motor, and crank kit. Like everyone else said, just head back to your own corner, and be very careful around any stock looking black '88 Camaro's. It just might spool on you.
Old Feb 25, 2004 | 02:32 PM
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Originally posted by vortex
Doward here!

I was thinking about going 3.73s, but have decided against it. Why? I can't get traction as it is! Besides, this is a daily driver, so hiway mileage IS important.

z28guy... let me put it to you in plain english. My 2950lbs (yes, I've weighed it) 3.1 V6, with about $1200 into it (the whole motor, and tranny) is going to flat out kick your 400's ***, and I won't have to worry about overheating on the stock radiator, to boot. And when that little import loses you in the curves, I'll be schooling him on what an Fbody knows about handling

Take $500, buy a motor, build it up, and hit low 13's reliably, any day of the week, at any given time. I spent $300 turbocharging the car. The other $200 was for the 3.1 motor, and crank kit. Like everyone else said, just head back to your own corner, and be very careful around any stock looking black '88 Camaro's. It just might spool on you.
lol....nicely put.
Old Feb 25, 2004 | 02:42 PM
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Re: well

Originally posted by Z28guy83
as far as taking sharp turns goes doesnt matter what motor u got as long as you suspension is done right it doesnt matter ok the 500 dollar part is good ( i only paid 300 for my 400 sb) which was 300hp to start with and im 2 seconds faster so ill just go back to my little corner of the board waiting for the next time i can take a shot at you little v6 guys


Yeah, talk big to the little 6ers, boy if you were in cali I'd spank ya with my LS1 in auto X.
Old Feb 25, 2004 | 03:09 PM
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WOO HAA!
Old Feb 25, 2004 | 03:54 PM
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Too bad you guys arent closer to atco.
March 5th there is supposed to be some guys from nj f body going to atco.
Me and Z28guy83 are supposed to go too.
It would be interesting.

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Old Feb 25, 2004 | 07:11 PM
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ok

thats why gm built the 1LE cars with a 350 and not a 6cyl the 1LE car was built for showroom stock racing

as far as the turbo factor goes hey $500 is a good budget for doing anything

i love how all u v6 guys stick together


oh and bob no i have never ran 17's the worst ive have ever done at the track was 16.30 with my 79 camaro with 300,000 miles on it and a 2 barrel carb you remeber it you drove it :lala:


all i wanted to know is why !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
lol

and f585 autox does look like it would be fun but isnt that what its all about ?
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