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Old Sep 30, 2004 | 10:13 AM
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does anybody have this on there Fbody? it is summit part number WLK-17495 from dynomax, wondering if anybody has that 2 muffler set up, and where those mufflers would go?
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Old Sep 30, 2004 | 10:53 AM
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looks like an A/G body "duall" exhaust cat back set up
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Old Sep 30, 2004 | 12:13 PM
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thats what i thought, but it says, 85 and 86 firebirds!!
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Old Sep 30, 2004 | 12:53 PM
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where does it list the yr??? It's more likely for the 2nd gen cars

edit: never mind, went to the dynomax sight....interesting

1986-91 8 Camaro, Firebird w/5.0L, 5.7L-4V H.O. 46669 17739 17266 RH 43243 2
1/2 (3) 17495 17390
& EFI (eng. code F & code 8) 3" flare LH 43244
w/loose flange connection to cat. conv.
(exc. 89-91) dual catalyst
tail pipes exit opposite sides

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Old Sep 30, 2004 | 05:11 PM
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yea man, i was wondering if anyone had that, i would like to see picks of that on a 3rd gen, i just can't figureout where you would have the room for the mufflers?
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Old Oct 1, 2004 | 01:36 PM
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Where they go right now, I think that they could fit side by side.
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Old Oct 1, 2004 | 03:05 PM
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That picture is not an F-body exhaust system. It you read the fine print on Summits website, it will tell you that the image show is not actually the product in question. Its just a generic picture.
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Old Oct 1, 2004 | 06:11 PM
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Yep...
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Old Oct 1, 2004 | 06:13 PM
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Visit http://www.a-1performance.com if you want to dig up a sketch; on the left, click on the super turbo mufflers, then on the right, click on "super turbo systems" and put your car info into the pages- then look for #17495.

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Old Oct 3, 2004 | 07:06 PM
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awe man, i just thought that setup would look cool on our cars. oh well....
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Old Oct 3, 2004 | 08:54 PM
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Oh it definately would... if only GM left us a little bit more room under the car!
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Old Oct 3, 2004 | 10:49 PM
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3 fit nicely

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Old Oct 4, 2004 | 06:53 PM
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What the heck?!?! Did someone tell Summit?? Guess what, the correct picture is now there! Freaky.

http://store.summitracing.com/defaul...tt=WLK%2D17493

If I didn't cut/paste that picture, I'd swear I was going crazy.
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Old Oct 4, 2004 | 06:57 PM
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Oh for cryin' out ...

I just noticed why; and we all missed it. Wrenchman, you put up WLK-17495... with a 5 at the end. We take 17493, with a 3 at the end.

But it's still the wrong picture. Look up WLK-17493 for the correct exhaust for our cars.
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Old Oct 4, 2004 | 10:11 PM
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i know what exahuse setup is ours i stumbled upon that pic while fliping threw all the different ones at summit. ...but.... still a cool thought with the duel mufflers.... anybody ever make a dump behind the RR wheel... kinda like on the lightings?! ha ha ha:shrug:
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Old Oct 4, 2004 | 10:12 PM
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sorry i can't spell
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Old Oct 6, 2004 | 03:44 PM
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My friend had a true dual exhaust on his 305. It was 2 pipes and it exited by his left rear wheel. It how ever didnt leave any room for mufflers. That was fun.
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Old Oct 6, 2004 | 09:33 PM
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cool man cool sound good on the 305?
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Old Oct 6, 2004 | 10:30 PM
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It sounded wicked with no mufflers and headers he was just running it open header before he put that on. But it has no room for a cat or any emissions stuff but it was bad *** took 2 hrs to put in.
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Old Oct 7, 2004 | 07:38 AM
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that would be sweet:rockon: :rockon:
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Old Oct 7, 2004 | 12:22 PM
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I always wanted to put dual Supertrapp mufflers on, one pointing out in front of each rear tire- but at an angle, facing backwards but "slightly" nudged out away from the car.
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Old Oct 7, 2004 | 06:56 PM
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Exactly, that would be sick man, i would like to do that to, how much you think somthing like that would cost? compared to the 160 catback from dynomax?:rockon: :rockon:
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Old Oct 8, 2004 | 12:25 PM
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The 82 and 83 v8 cars had a different system that IIRC had two mufflers
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Old Oct 9, 2004 | 11:27 AM
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Ya know I think I saw that once in a junkyard. Were the mufflers side-by-side where our "normal" muffler is? I thought it was a custom job, but thinking back, I'm pretty sure it was an 82-83 crossfire because I remember wondering why someone would've fabbed up a custom exhaust for a problematic motor.

Oh and that Supertrapp setup would cost me for the mufflers and the pipe; I could weld it up myself- which probably isn't the answer you're looking for, Wrenchman!
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Old Oct 12, 2004 | 10:05 AM
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well to be honest tom p, i was looking into doing somthing a little unique my self, thats why i asked. Right now im thinking about mocking up a side dump, right from the cat, to a 19inch thrush, and perhaps some flex pipe and dump it right beight the pass. wheel, just don't know how much room im gonna have, not much, if any, but it will give me somthing to do over break, it would go somthing like this.....

cat
flange pipe
tube glasspack
ruffly a foot or so of pipe,
90 deg. bend
more pipe (or tip)

im afraid the pipe is gonna hang 3 inches under the car, making it look real bad, and taking away some ground clearance. i don't know how it's gonna sound... proabably real raspy and loud.... but, if it works, that would be cool
maybe if i get it figured out i will send a pic
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Old Oct 12, 2004 | 10:41 AM
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Oh, okay, cool! I thought you wanted to know how much for a shop to install something like that. One thing I've heard/read about tho, if mufflers and tailpipes exit near the side of the car, there's gotta be some kind of heat shield above the muffler and/or tailpipe so the carpet doesnt start smoldering/catch fire. Granted, those might've been big block v8's, but it's not too hard to just throw a piece of sheetmetal above a pipe.

You could probably raise the floor a bit if you had to, but if any framerails get in the way, it's gonna be a problem.
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Old Oct 18, 2004 | 01:17 PM
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Originally posted by TomP
Ya know I think I saw that once in a junkyard. Were the mufflers side-by-side where our "normal" muffler is? I thought it was a custom job, but thinking back, I'm pretty sure it was an 82-83 crossfire because I remember wondering why someone would've fabbed up a custom exhaust for a problematic motor.

Yeah that's the system... it was replaced in mid to late '83.

The history board has a diagram of that setup.

Two major drawback to that system were that it was still using the old pellet style converter and it was only 1 7/8 diameter. Probably contributed to the cross fire's lackluster

I often wondered if one had a 2 1/4 mandrel bent system molded after that one and mated the back half of that system to the N10 dual cat option offered in later years if it would be a decent system.

Probably more expensive and just as good as the Dynomax but... then you would have duals
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Old Oct 19, 2004 | 12:46 PM
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Here's the link to the early F-body V8 Exhaust

Early "Duals"
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Old Oct 21, 2004 | 12:09 PM
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wow, what a PITA
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