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Old Dec 1, 2004 | 12:40 AM
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Looks who's lurking the V6 forums again...

Well, I was 87_Camaro at one point. Then I got an 87 IROC-Z and moved on to bigger and faster things. But I'm back.


I just bought a 91 RS with a 3.1 in it as another project car. I'm planning on turbocharging it, nothing more aside from themods that have to be done with turboig it. "injectors, turbo cam etc."


I am wondering if anyone here has attempted to turbo charge thier V6 and if u have, what turbo did u use etc.

Well here's a pic of it, feels funny trying to look good next to a V6 lolol "no offense". Feels good to be in the V6 forums again, where it all started 3 years ago lol.


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Old Dec 1, 2004 | 02:19 AM
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doward has a kit hes getting ready to sell, search his name and you'll find a ton of info

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Old Dec 1, 2004 | 08:20 AM
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Yep I've got a turbo on mine - finishing up the tuning, and after Dyno Day, will decide if it's ready to move on to production.
Old Dec 2, 2004 | 08:17 AM
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Yep I've got a turbo on mine - finishing up the tuning, and after Dyno Day, will decide if it's ready to move on to production.
If you pricing is less than 1k I would be happy to buy your kit. But if it isn't then I think I could make it for considerably less.

I'm wondering what exact size turbo did u use for the application, and are you running twin or single?

I am planning on running a single and since the motor is a 3.1 I was thinking of usinf a Garret Super 60 Turbo .60/.63 AR

Or I might go with a TE03 T3/T4 Hybrid, 48/.60 AR.

And to keep it as stock as possible "not planning on using headers" I'm making it a remote style turbo, but it will still be int he engine bay. It won't be fed directly from headers/manifolds but rather the Y pipe will be guided back into the engine bay and will have a turbo flange welded on, then the rest is self explanatory. I am keeping cost at a minium.

So back to topic, What Turbo did u use again and did u go twin or single?
Old Dec 2, 2004 | 05:44 PM
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Does ANYONE know what turbo would be ideal for a 3.1 liter?
Old Dec 2, 2004 | 06:44 PM
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That t3/t4 is a bit big it seems.I'll just wait for Doward to chime in. I like the idea of the 16 series.
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If you pricing is less than 1k I would be happy to buy your kit. But if it isn't then I think I could make it for considerably less.

Then start building it brother as no turbo kits with all new parts is gonna cost $1000

I also wouldn't hold your breath for a response from D.
Your reply is a board line insult.

I feel offended for him.
Old Dec 2, 2004 | 11:18 PM
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well since i was the master fabricator, (M.F'er) on the project, i must say that we can't really give out all our secrets.. hecne the time and money spent to it has been soley ours... (rather mostly mine, you still owe me dizzle) but still, our 2 years of dedication to something we werent really sure would be a hit, nor cared would be, its just a matter of going up to turbonetics and saying "exactly what does the kit entail" i never understood why these people are such dix about sharing until you do it. we spent all this time and money building something that nobody else has done before, even people on this board (search) said we were stupid for trying... we just cant hand the answers over like that.. if you want a kit, we'd be more than happy to proivde you. i can tell you for a fact tho, its a lil more that what turbo you choose, you have to know how to proggy the comp, make the kit, and to tune... im really not trying to be a hardass here.. ill help in any way i can, but i dont see in studying for the S.A.T's and letting someone look over your shoulder.. holla?
Old Dec 2, 2004 | 11:45 PM
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Then start building it brother as no turbo kits with all new parts is gonna cost $1000

I also wouldn't hold your breath for a response from D.
Your reply is a board line insult.

I feel offended for him.
I'm not offending anyone, Sorry Gumby but some people can do stuff themselve for cheaper than buy kits. I want to build it myself, that's why it should be cheaper. Sorry if anyone took it the wrong way, it's just this is a budget build and it's always cheaper to build something yourself than to buy a kit.

My friend's older brother is an engineer at honeywell, honeywell makes turbonetics turbos, he designs turbo compressors. I can get good discounts on turbos from him."especially the ones mentioned" for about $400, I'm going single.

I also have a friend who owns an exaust shop so it's obviouse where the piping will be done.

it's always good to have connections .

All I was asking is what turbo would be good to use with a 3.1ltr. not how to build a complete turbo setup and ot reveal all your secrets.

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Old Dec 2, 2004 | 11:55 PM
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Then start building it brother as no turbo kits with all new parts is gonna cost $1000

I also wouldn't hold your breath for a response from D.
Your reply is a board line insult.

I feel offended for him.
no offense man, but it sounds like you dont' know **** about turbo projects then. TWIN turbos with rebuilt junkyard turbos and all tubing has been done many many many times before on fox body mustangs, and I even know of a few 3rdgens too, and none of the ones I've seen cost more than $800-1000, and remember I said twin turbos, sergio is planning on a single, and a single setup on a puny V6 utilizing a small turbo would practically be free if you got a deal on the turbo and did the welding yourself.

Go to this website and learn a little bit...:

www.turbomustangs.com

I'm building a twin turbo seutp on my mustang right now using .60/.63 a/r T3s from turbocoupes, no IC, and $100 bbk headers flipped upside down with the collectors cut off. $20 for T3 flanges, $20 for a brand new bosch blow off valve, $100 for various mandrel bends, tubing, ect...I fail to see why more people aren't doing turbos. WaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaY cheaper than superchargers, waaaay more power.


This is basically what I'm doing right here:
this guy used stock headers (free), welded himself (free), rebuilt .48 a/r T3s ($350), junkyard blow off valve ($10) and some other miscellaneous stuff. Turbos are NOT a black art, as much as some people would like you to think they are so that they can profit from your stupidity.
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Old Dec 2, 2004 | 11:55 PM
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well since i was the master fabricator, (M.F'er) on the project, i must say that we can't really give out all our secrets.. hecne the time and money spent to it has been soley ours... (rather mostly mine, you still owe me dizzle) but still, our 2 years of dedication to something we werent really sure would be a hit, nor cared would be, its just a matter of going up to turbonetics and saying "exactly what does the kit entail" i never understood why these people are such dix about sharing until you do it. we spent all this time and money building something that nobody else has done before, even people on this board (search) said we were stupid for trying... we just cant hand the answers over like that.. if you want a kit, we'd be more than happy to proivde you. i can tell you for a fact tho, its a lil more that what turbo you choose, you have to know how to proggy the comp, make the kit, and to tune... im really not trying to be a hardass here.. ill help in any way i can, but i dont see in studying for the S.A.T's and letting someone look over your shoulder.. holla?
I understand completly dude, that was your thing and im sure youput alote of effort into it and it was worth it in the end. All I am asking is what size turbo did u use, i didn't know it that top secret to tell someoen what size turbo there using?

Like I said I owned 3 v8's 2 of wich were EFI and o have spent 2 yeard programming chips for them. I know this si a V6 but thats what this whole plan is for, to try something new and leanr as much as I can.
Old Dec 2, 2004 | 11:56 PM
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no offense man, but it sounds like you dont' know **** about turbo projects then. TWIN turbos with rebuilt junkyard turbos and all tubing has been done many many many times before on fox body mustangs, and I even know of a few 3rdgens too, and none of the ones I've seen cost more than $800-1000, and remember I said twin turbos, sergio is planning on a single, and a single setup on a puny V6 utilizing a small turbo would practically be free if you got a deal on the turbo and did the welding yourself.

Go to this website and learn a little bit...:

www.turbomustangs.com

I'm building a twin turbo seutp on my mustang right now using .60/.63 a/r T3s from turbocoupes, no IC, and $100 bbk headers flipped upside down with the collectors cut off. $20 for T3 flanges, $20 for a brand new bosch blow off valve, $100 for various mandrel bends, tubing, ect...I fail to see why more people aren't doing turbos. WaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaY cheaper than superchargers, waaaay more power.


This is basically what I'm doing right here:
this guy used stock headers (free), welded himself (free), rebuilt .48 a/r T3s ($350), junkyard blow off valve ($10) and some other miscellaneous stuff. Turbos are NOT a black art, as much as some people would like you to think they are so that they can profit from your stupidity.
ugh oh, chris is posting mustang stuff...gonna get BANNED!

Thanks dude.
Old Dec 3, 2004 | 12:05 AM
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Your comments would be like calling up summit racing and saying you want an engine but if it cost more then $1000 you'll build it yourself.

very arrogant.

Of course you / anyone can build one cheaper if you got friends. Tech built on for like what $150

But he is not as happy or killin 350zS like D.
Old Dec 3, 2004 | 12:07 AM
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no turbo kits with all new parts is gonna cost $1000
Ok check this it, I didn't even spend 2 minutes looking for a turbo kit under 1K and I found this complete turbo kit for a honda with a new turbo and nice BOV with for $675.
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Old Dec 3, 2004 | 12:08 AM
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Do you really think anyone cares what you have done with your POS ford???

nope,

my post above stands.
Old Dec 3, 2004 | 12:12 AM
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Originally posted by Gumby
Your comments would be like calling up summit racing and saying you want an engine but if it cost more then $1000 you'll build it yourself.

very arrogant.

Of course you / anyone can build one cheaper if you got friends. Tech built on for like what $150

But he is not as happy or killin 350zS like D.
I would never in a million years even think about paying $1000 grand for a little v6 turbo kit if it was home-made (aka "custom") hell even if it was an actual name brand kit. You could buy brand new top dollar stainless turbo headers ($500) and a brand new 7.3 powerstroke diesel turbo ($500) for a fox body mustang and be running low 10's all day long. I'm sure you could do the same on a chevy.
Old Dec 3, 2004 | 12:17 AM
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Your comments would be like calling up summit racing and saying you want an engine but if it cost more then $1000 you'll build it yourself.

very arrogant.

Of course you / anyone can build one cheaper if you got friends. Tech built on for like what $150

But he is not as happy or killin 350zS like D.

I think I'll stick to killin 350z's with my TA N/A. Not to mention running with stock Corvettes and LS1's, until spray .
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Old Dec 3, 2004 | 12:18 AM
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Then why are you even posting here??? If you have no interest in these V6 cars you need to go else where. You will just end up banned and lock out of this site.

Do you think you the first one to blab your type of smack??? nope.

Your wasting your time.

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Do you really think anyone cares what you have done with your POS ford???

nope,

my post above stands.
Ahhh....Ignorance is bliss ain't it?
Old Dec 3, 2004 | 12:20 AM
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Then why are you even posting here??? If you have intrest in these V6 cars you need to go else where. You will just end up banned and lock out of this site.

Do you think you the first one to blab your type of smack??? nope.

Your wasting your time.
Dude, shut the **** up and listen, I'm not talking **** dude, your the one trying to be holier then thou with you plethora of turbo knowledge ...

If D has a comment about my post then let him comment, he's a grown up.

This thread was comign along just fine and u had to bash?

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Old Dec 3, 2004 | 12:21 AM
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If you have interest in these V6 cars you need to go else where.

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Dude, shut the **** up and listen, I'm not talking **** dude, your the one trying to be holier then thou with you plethora of turbo knowledge ...

If D has a comment about my post then let him comment, he's a grown up.
not even talking to you. get a clue.
Old Dec 3, 2004 | 12:27 AM
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Then why are you even posting here???
Purely for amusement at the amount of complete ignorance and retarded logic on these boards. Have fun "eating fords" and running 17s people. HAHAHAHAHAHAH
Old Dec 3, 2004 | 12:27 AM
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Ok check this it, I didn't even spend 2 minutes looking for a turbo kit under 1K and I found this complete turbo kit for a honda with a new turbo and nice BOV with for $675.
No management though, add a couple hundered to that cost. Then Labor. Yeah, you can turbo a 4 banger for cheap (I don't understand how import people can spend 800 on a stainless exhaust, when they could have turbo.....)Anyhow. As far as the Garret from that 7.3, it isn't going to work. Unles you can get some good oilpressure to that bearing set anyway. And for the poster, you can get new t3's for about 250$, look around online. 400 is a lot, even for turbonetics.
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Originally posted by ChrisFormula355
Ahhh....Ignorance is bliss ain't it?

if you want to talk V8s, ford, dodge or what ever, there is a section or another forum for that.

wander into a Ferrari forum and they will tell you where to stick your opinion. Adn give 999 reason why your wrong. Ya think I wouldn't enjoy tell them brain dead chevy V8 owners a thing or two??? They don't want to hear my Buick smack and I would just get my post deleted [like yours will be] or I will get banned.

There is a place for everything but your points are moot. This is a 60* V6 section. If ya have no interest in them or modding them, go find a place you like.

This is not the place to spout off.
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Purely for amusement at the amount of complete ignorance and retarded logic on these boards. Have fun "eating fords" and running 17s people. HAHAHAHAHAHAH
And on that note, thanks for letting us know that you're not an adult
Now, go to somewhere that talks turbo 302's, and have a pleasant day.
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No management though, add a couple hundered to that cost. Then Labor. Yeah, you can turbo a 4 banger for cheap (I don't understand how import people can spend 800 on a stainless exhaust, when they could have turbo.....)Anyhow. As far as the Garret from that 7.3, it isn't going to work. Unles you can get some good oilpressure to that bearing set anyway. And for the poster, you can get new t3's for about 250$, look around online. 400 is a lot, even for turbonetics.
Well I think he might have said that was for 2, I'll have to get back to him on it. thanks for letting me know .
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Well I think he might have said that was for 2, I'll have to get back to him on it. thanks for letting me know .
Ah, well for 2, heck yeah it's a deal! Might want somthing much smaller than a t3/t4 though.
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As far as the Garret from that 7.3, it isn't going to work.
Yeah, I guess the XXX amount of people running powerstroke turbo's on www.turbomustangs.com must be dreaming it and living in another demension then.
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Ah, well for 2, heck yeah it's a deal! Might want somthing much smaller than a t3/t4 though.
What would u recommend, my friend chris "the one raising hell" is building a twin turbo mustang, were basically going on a team turbo build with 2 different cars and he's using 2 of either turbos I mentioned because they would be ideal since he has a 5.0 so I figured one would be half of that "2.5" and would be fine for my motor. But maybe your right and it is too big?

The super 60 is on a Turbo thunder bird and they were a smaller displacement than the 3.1's so I figured it would be a good turbo to use.

Do you have any input or recommendations for a turbo so I can check out the numbers?

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Yeah, I guess the XXX amount of people running powerstroke turbo's on www.turbomustangs.com must be dreaming it and living in another demension then.
I was told by a specialist that it was a bad idea. Those turbos rely on oil pressure to provide the "bearing" (like mains on a crank). Anyhow, I'm sure people have done it, but it's not the right type ofturbo for that application. But I bet it does work (and so does putting one at the end of your tailpipe, but how well?).
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Originally posted by FbodTrek
And on that note, thanks for letting us know that you're not an adult
Now, go to somewhere that talks turbo 302's, and have a pleasant day.
Its hard to resist when you have people like "gumby" (appropriate name btw) spouting off to people a bunch of myth's and wives tales of which they know absolutely nothing about.

Let us make a list of all the internet BS we've complied today:

#1-Turbo setup is gonna cost you over $1,000. Yep, I don't care if you $hit a T3 turbo out last night while sitting on the crapper, still gotta pay the $1k.

#2- Gumby knowns all.

#3- You can't use a diesel turbo. nope, I don't care if there are dozens of cars going low 10's in them, they are LIERS!! burn them at the stake I say.

#4 - Fords suck. Yep, you gotta get a tattoe of a Chevy symbol on your a$$ if you're a REAL man (yeeeehaaw!).


Have I missed anything so far?
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Oh bloody hell... SW regional folks come in and I end up with 4 reports?! I haven't seen this much activity in MONTHS!

In another thread, Sergio, I'll help ya out. My turbo setup has a current running total expendature of about $110, and I've got a 749 prepped and ready to go in pending adding another measly 20 to that for flash chips.

ChrisFormula355, you apparrently missed my overly conspicuous 'No bashing/trolling' blatantly sitting stickied to the top of the forum... and you apparrently missed the sizeable group of people banned in its wake. Read it, understand it. I enforce the spirit of it, not letter for letter. If you think you shouldn't say something, don't. First/only warning.

Gumby!!! Haven't you got a long enough list of rules infractions and corrective actions already? Seriously, man, cut the crap. The thin ice you tread on will break one of these days.

And to both ChrisFormula355 and Gumby.. next time, take it to PMs. We don't need you airing out your dirty laundry in public. Stuff stinks.
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