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Old Aug 5, 2005 | 02:57 PM
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Should i add a oil cooler?

well its coming up on the time to start assembly of my new motor, and i was wondering if i should go with a oil cooler.

i figure it couldn't hurt only help.

any opinions?

its a 2.8 thats getting the ari 3.1 stroker kit, phase 2 cam with crane 1.52 roller tip rockers, and ported heads.

still waiting on an intake manifold that impresses me. the truleo is way to expensive for being steel, i'm hoping am91 gets one or doward puts on out
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Old Aug 5, 2005 | 03:03 PM
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Old Aug 5, 2005 | 03:20 PM
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winters here consist of alot of rain, and the rare snow storm, although the last few years we've had a few bad years
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Old Aug 5, 2005 | 10:33 PM
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Just run synthetic oil. Corvettes all lost their oil coolers in 1993 when they started coming from the factory with Mobile 1 in the crankcase.
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Old Aug 6, 2005 | 07:24 AM
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use the cooler anda remote mount filter and for the mount on that remote mount run it for the v8 filter
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Old Aug 6, 2005 | 02:10 PM
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I run Mobil 1 EP 15w50 ($24 for a jug of 5 qts @ wally world!) + Delco PF52 oil filter (larger one)

The only way to really tell if you need an oil cooler, is to check your oil temps. I don't like mine to be more than 200º

If you can spring for it, get a *good* bar and plate style cooler - I intend to get one later, but for now it's not needed.
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Old Aug 6, 2005 | 02:16 PM
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well this motor isn't gonna be together for a while as the one in my car is fine, i'm just getting all the parts and everything organized to do the build all at once.

and since this new motor i want ot last for a very long time, i'm trying to find the best list of parts to do it right the first time
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Old Aug 6, 2005 | 03:11 PM
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I would work more on water temp.

My car was a slug once the temp rose to "normal stock"

With a constant lower temp range my car runs crisp and responsive all the time. If you get them water temps below 200 you know the oil temp is fine.
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Old Aug 6, 2005 | 04:36 PM
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Yes, if I had the choice between a nice aluminum radiator, or an oil cooler, I'd do the aluminum radiator. The cooler the motor, the cooler the oil will run.

I will say this - if you decide to get an oil cooler, get one with a thermostatic bypass
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Old Aug 6, 2005 | 04:41 PM
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sounds good thanks doward
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Old Aug 6, 2005 | 05:03 PM
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A couple of suggestions....

a) go with 1.6 rockers, full roller. Be sure to rebuild your heads accordingly, and go ahead and port them out.

b) the Phase 2 is an EXACT copy of the Melling MTC-5 camshaft available through Autozone for $108. Just keep that in mind.

c) roller timing chain.

d) the 3.4 oil pump has a 3/4" pickup, instead of our 5/8" I believe the 3.1 high-volume pump from Autozone is also a 3/4" pickup. Get that oil pump

e) I'm still working on the intake. I'm redesigning it, actually, as I had a freakin' awesome dream, and saw the design that is PERFECT for our motors!! Starting from scratch again on that It'll be middle section, and upper plenum. Not saying anything till I get closer to it being complete
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Old Aug 6, 2005 | 05:14 PM
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Originally posted by Doward
A couple of suggestions....

a) go with 1.6 rockers, full roller. Be sure to rebuild your heads accordingly, and go ahead and port them out.

b) the Phase 2 is an EXACT copy of the Melling MTC-5 camshaft available through Autozone for $108. Just keep that in mind.

c) roller timing chain.

d) the 3.4 oil pump has a 3/4" pickup, instead of our 5/8" I believe the 3.1 high-volume pump from Autozone is also a 3/4" pickup. Get that oil pump

e) I'm still working on the intake. I'm redesigning it, actually, as I had a freakin' awesome dream, and saw the design that is PERFECT for our motors!! Starting from scratch again on that It'll be middle section, and upper plenum. Not saying anything till I get closer to it being complete
i was thinking about going 1.6 but from what i was reading people said it was not worth the money


definatly gonna get the melling then

3.4 oil pump it is

and i was plannng on going witht he cloyles adjustable roller timing chain


thanks doward and keep us updated on the intake
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Old Aug 6, 2005 | 05:59 PM
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They are. The MTC-5 cam is nice over stock, but still relatively wimpy. I would definetly recommend the 1.6 rockers - they are completely worth the money, IMHO. Otherwise, I might say stay with the 1.52s (get some full rollers, though!) and go with the Phase III cam.

Just remember you'd need the Fiero valve covers, too, with the 1.6s!

If you do choose to go with the Phase III cam, either be running a stick shift, or a higher stall automatic (something around a 2400rpm)
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Old Aug 7, 2005 | 12:59 PM
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well, i'm already running stick, i'm seriously considering going with the 1.6 now

i'll stick witht he melling cam, i'm not looking to make this a "powerhouse v6" just something better then stock
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