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Old Nov 1, 2005 | 06:59 PM
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Car: 1989 Firebird Formula 350
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Starter or what?

I just got off work and put the key in the ignition. NADA. The engine did'nt even turn over. The starter did'nt even make a sound at all.. I checked the fuses the first thing and they all looked good. When the key was turned to the RUN position all the gauge lights came on and showed a good charge on the battery and the fuel pump kicked in. I'm thinking it might be the key cylinder switch. I was wanting to short the "S" terminal on the starter to ground to see if it started turning the flywheel. but I was running out of daylight. If I short it and the engine turns over, prob the key switch. If the starter does'nt do anything after I ground it , then maybe bad starter. Anyone ever have this problem? Any advice?

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Old Nov 1, 2005 | 07:39 PM
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Re: Starter or what?

Originally posted by ken3983
I just got off work and put the key in the ignition. NADA. The engine did'nt even turn over. The starter did'nt even make a sound at all.. I checked the fuses the first thing and they all looked good. When the key was turned to the RUN position all the gauge lights came on and showed a good charge on the battery and the fuel pump kicked in. I'm thinking it might be the key cylinder switch. I was wanting to short the "S" terminal on the starter to ground to see if it started turning the flywheel. but I was running out of daylight. If I short it and the engine turns over, prob the key switch. If the starter does'nt do anything after I ground it , then maybe bad starter. Anyone ever have this problem? Any advice?

Ken
You could have a bad ignition switch, a bad relay or a bad starter selinoid.
To determine what, you need to break out a multimeter and trace wires.
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Old Nov 1, 2005 | 07:41 PM
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Car: 13 Ram 1500/ 78 Formy
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doesn't the vats cut out the starter on them later cars?
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Old Nov 1, 2005 | 07:46 PM
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Originally posted by Project: 85 2.8 bird
doesn't the vats cut out the starter on them later cars?
.....yup.......ask me how I know
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Old Nov 1, 2005 | 08:06 PM
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When you say ign. switch...do you mean where the key goes into or a switch located somewhere else other than the steering column? How much of a pain to replace the key cylinder switch if thats it?

Ken
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Old Nov 1, 2005 | 09:05 PM
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I just had the same problem and for me it was the skirts or something inside the starter. They were completely worn out. I didnt even get a click sound or anything when I turned the key in mine so mybe the same for you?
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Old Nov 1, 2005 | 10:52 PM
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Just get a new starter. Silenoid is bad and you can get them just as cheap with a lt warranty from AZ.
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Old Nov 2, 2005 | 08:56 PM
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I kinda have this problem with my car, but my problem is the computer thing on the key. 90% of the time it will start right up, but the other 10% it won't do anything when I turn the key. Adjusting the steering wheel seems to make it work if I have the problem. I don't see how that works, but it does lol.
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Old Nov 2, 2005 | 08:59 PM
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there are 2 wires leading to teh key lock cylinder. sounds like you either :

a) take it apart & try to fix

b) take it apart & replace keylock cylinder
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Old Nov 3, 2005 | 06:29 PM
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Originally posted by Project: 85 2.8 bird
there are 2 wires leading to teh key lock cylinder. sounds like you either :

a) take it apart & try to fix

b) take it apart & replace keylock cylinder
or have a chip burned removing the VATS.
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Old Nov 3, 2005 | 08:27 PM
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some of us have parts that don't require a chip burned

but then , some of us don't have a need for them any more either :/
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Old Nov 3, 2005 | 10:40 PM
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So you don't need the chip on your key?
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