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Old Apr 9, 2006 | 08:56 PM
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Setting idle speed (smog prep)

Hi there,
I am currently adjusting my car since i have to get it smogged in the next couple of weeks...the only problem right now is the idle, it is around 1500 rpm, i found this helpful thread but i still have just a couple of questions:
Originally Posted by LinuxGuy
I just posted this in another thread, and thought I would make a seperate thread containing the same info since it might come in handy to some other folks.

This idle adjustment procedure worked great on both of my 2.8L Camaros to get the idle back to normal. (Especially the my 89 5-speed that was stalling at stops. The throttle plate was not even close to being open enough at idle.)

I have done the adjustment twice on the 2.8L V6 (once for each of my Camaros), and I can say the adjustment worked well in both cases. As for the 3.1L V6 adjustment, I've never had a 3.1L to adjust the idle on.

Note that there is an IAC and TPS adjustment tech article at thirdgen.org, but this article is not as specific and does not specify the RPM settings for the V6 engines (only the V8s). For a version of this instruction list for V8s, see this thread: https://www.thirdgen.org/techbb2/sho...hreadid=214817

Taken from the Chilton's Chevrolet Camaro 1982-92 Repair Manual.
My own comments are added in italics.

Before you do any of these adjustments, make sure your timing is where you want it. I have found that changing timing will subtely affect the idle.

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2.8L Engine
1.) Using an awl or equivalent, pierce the idle stop plug and remove it. This is the plug covering the idle speed adjustment screw (aka idle stop screw, aka minimum air adjustment screw) on the back side of the throttle body.
2.) Leave the Idle Air Control motor connected and ground the ALDL diagnostic terminal (connect a wire between the A & B terminals on the ALDL connector). Turn the ignition to the ON position, but do not start the engine.
3.) Wait 30 seconds, and with the ignition switch still in the ON position, disconnect the Idle Air Control connector. (Since the A & B terminals are connected on the ALDL, the ECM will place the Idle Air Control Valve in the park position. Disconnecting the IAC connector will keep the IAC at this setting.)
4.) Turn the ignition switch OFF. Disconnect the distributor set-timing connector. (i.e. - The wire on the firewall you disconnect before adjusting timing.)
5.) Remove the ground wire from the ALDL connector. Starting the engine with this jumper wire in place may damage the ECM. See more info from "Vader" here: https://www.thirdgen.org/techbb2/sho...hreadid=211733
6.) Start the engine, then connect the A & B terminals on the ALDL again. This will place the ECM in Field Service Diagnostics mode which will flash the SES light according to open/closed loop status. Allow the engine to reach operating temperature and go into closed-loop operation. Watch the Service Engine Soon light on the dash. When the light is flashing 2-3 times per second (i.e. - rapidly), the engine is in open-loop mode. When the light is flashing about once every second (i.e. - slowly), the engine is in closed-loop mode. Once the engine is in closed-loop mode, continue to step 7.
7.) Adjust the idle stop screw to 500RPM in D if equipped with an automatic transmission or 600RPM in neutral if equipped with a manual transmission.
8.) Turn the ignition OFF and reconnect the Idle Air Control connector and and the distributor set-timing connector. Remove the A & B jumper wire from the ALDL connector.
9.) Adjust the throttle position sensor to 0.54v at closed throttle since adjusting the idle screw has changed the position for closed throttle. Start the engine and check for proper idle operation. You will have to disconnect the battery to clear the code set from disconnecting the distributor set timing connector.

3.1L Engine
1.) Disconnect the negative battery cable. Using an awl or equivalent, pierce the idle stop plug and remove it. This is the plug covering the idle speed adjustment screw (aka idle stop screw, aka minimum air adjustment screw) on the back side of the throttle body.
2.) Ensure the throttle or cruise control cables are not holding the throttle lever from returning fully. Back the throttle stop screw out until and air gap is visible between the screw and the throttle lever.
3.) Turn the screw in until is just contacts the throttle lever; then turn the screw in an additional 1 1/2 turns.
4.) Connect the negative battery cable and connect a suitable scanner to the ALDL connector to monitor the Idle Air Control (IAC) valve counts.
5.) Place the transmission in P if equipped with an automatic transmission or neutral if equipped with a manual transmission.
6.) Start the engine and allow it to reach normal operating temperature and enter closed-loop operation.
7.) Monitor the IAC valve counts with all accessories OFF, the IAC reading should be 10-20 counts. If not as specified, repeat the procedure.

Edit - 9/6/2004:
Changed idle RPM numbers for 2.8L engines to 500 and 600 RPM from 550 and 650 RPM (these are the numbers found in the GM service manuals).
Added step instructing removal of jumper between ALDL A & B terminals before starting engine (due to possible ECM damage). Added step instructing the connecting of A & B terminals after engine is running to place the ECM in Field Service Diag. mode.

which are the A & B terminals in the ALDL? Are they the last 2 in the first row,the ones used for trouble codes?

is there anything else i should check/adjust before taking it to smog? what specifics do they look at?

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Old Apr 9, 2006 | 09:03 PM
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coming from a mechanics POV, if its idling too high, theres something wrong. that plug should not ever have to be removed to adjust idle. it came from the factory idling normally and should never be removed. thats the easy way out to band-aid your problem. and doing that may not even help you pass smog. you may have a vacuum leak causing it. you may bring your idle down, but you wont help the leak, causing a lean condition. just as an example. so id say not to do that. find out why it idles high and fix it right.
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Old Apr 9, 2006 | 11:05 PM
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Originally Posted by drdave88
coming from a mechanics POV, if its idling too high, theres something wrong. that plug should not ever have to be removed to adjust idle. it came from the factory idling normally and should never be removed. thats the easy way out to band-aid your problem. and doing that may not even help you pass smog. you may have a vacuum leak causing it. you may bring your idle down, but you wont help the leak, causing a lean condition. just as an example. so id say not to do that. find out why it idles high and fix it right.
Exactly. If you decide to take it to someone, I work at a shop in Sun Valley. We do smog testing, so I can personally work on the car to get it through. Also, you've got a PM.

Last edited by 2_point8_boy; Apr 9, 2006 at 11:08 PM.
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Old Apr 10, 2006 | 06:54 PM
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wow, honestly, i expected to be slammed for that post, lol.
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Old Apr 10, 2006 | 07:30 PM
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I agreed with ya on it i just didnt say anything.
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Old Apr 10, 2006 | 07:34 PM
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Originally Posted by drdave88
wow, honestly, i expected to be slammed for that post, lol.
Nope, you are 100% correct. It Should NEVER have to be reset for any reason, but people mess with it because it's an easy fix to a much bigger problem.
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Old Apr 10, 2006 | 09:24 PM
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The reason I wanted to make an adjustment is that it looks like it has already been meddled with since I got it, it doesn't have the idle stop anymore and the idle has been a bit high since...but ill take your word for it since i don't know much about it...maybe its just that maybe it isn't, anyway, i'll be replacing the vacuum lines since they are a bit damaged by the heat, no leaks that I know of but just to be sure
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Old Apr 11, 2006 | 05:00 PM
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Wouldn't a vacuum leak cause it to idle irratically, or not necessarily, because my idle is pretty constant, its just high
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Old Apr 11, 2006 | 06:55 PM
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Originally Posted by mightyfbird88
Wouldn't a vacuum leak cause it to idle irratically, or not necessarily, because my idle is pretty constant, its just high
Nope, a small to small/mid-sized leak will just cause a slightly high idle. Also, a bad IAC motor will cause it because it can't close off enough. IT WON'T ALWAYS THROW A CODE! Just had to get that out there before that question comes up...lol
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Old Apr 13, 2006 | 12:18 AM
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How do you tell if the iac motor is shot?
Also where is the idle adjustment screw?
Sorry for the newb post.
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Old Apr 13, 2006 | 09:55 AM
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Originally Posted by darkangel777
How do you tell if the iac motor is shot?
Also where is the idle adjustment screw?
Sorry for the newb post.
Well most the time when IAC goes bad, it will not idle for warm up at all. On most cars that is the only time it is active anyway.
Once warmed up, it can jump everywhere. be fine, then go to 2K, 1100, 500, 1800 litteraly just jump all over, or it may not react at all.

The "hard" idle adjustment is made by drilling out a small plug on the throttle body and using a T15 or T20 allen wrench.

Open the TB to full open.
You will see a small screw like looking thing coming out of the TB.
Follow that passage back and you will find the opening that needs to be drilled out/un capped.
Use the allen wrench with car idling and adjust.
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