WHAT R SOME WAYS TO SOOP UP AV6 ENGINE

 

You should fix your keyboard first.

 

what are you looking to spend first of all? and how are your mechanical abilities? thatll depend on what you can do.

 

First thing you need to do is turn off the CAPS lock.

How many miles on it?
A full tune up does a lot to help any other things you do. No sense in doing any mods if it doesn't run well to begin with.
High flow air filter.
High flow CAT.
Cat back exhaust.
Headers
Pretty much anything you can do to a V8 you can do to a V6, it is just harder to find parts that fit.

 

if you used the button (provided it was actualy working when you posted this) you would have found MANY posts just like this one. or you can look in the FAQ, since this is a freaquently asked question.

also
as stated above:


and like bru333 and the FAQ both say, a tuneup is your first "mod". i was amazed how much better my V6 ran after i replaced a few sensors and all the ignition stuff.

 

Kill the caps.

Headers are a damn good start.

3.4 swap

Turbocharge it

Nitrous.

 

sorry about the caps my car is pretty tuned iv replaced some sensors and smog equiptment and it has about 173500 miles on it. over time im willing to spend just about any amount of money.I know people who are mecanicaly skill as for myself im all right. if iwas to turbo charge it would it pass smog.

 

You are in California. Your only option is a 3.4 swap, and don't tell them about it

 

in some countries you'd be banned just for even mentioning that crap.

 

Based on your screen name, I'm going to have to assume you don't have a V6.

PM sent.

 

ha! i bet that guy runs a "tornado" on his 305 .

he of course was joking (god i hope) don't actualy do that. the ideal thing is cali is somthing you can remove at smog time. (like a supercharger or N2O) without too much trouble. that way when you go back in to get checked out it all looks normal.

 

Hah of course I was joking. It just really didnt come off that way, apparently.

*tugs at collar nervously*



Seriously though, yeah a tuneup is a good idea. Spark plugs, etc (if you havent already) And then there are a bunch of free mods. TB coolant bypass, custom ram air (ok, not free, but still a great idea), etc. One of the best things to do to those v6 engines (all of my v6 exp comes from the '87 2.8/5 spd I had) is air. It needs more air. So custom intake = good. Then play with the ignition timing and see what happens. That's a start.

 

I have a full MSD ignition system on my car it has a CARB EO# that you put on the hood to make it legal. I pu a underdrive pully on the crank and that gave power and can not be noticed by the smog ****'s. Do you have a camaro or a firebird?

 

I would say drop a V8 in there rather then waste time with a v6. it's not like you can make a v6 fast.







well ok at least maybe not as easily in california cause they are smog ****'s. and stupid about smog stuff half the time. no no you can't put that motor in your car even though it uses less gas, is more efficient, produces less polution, even if you kept the motor all stock, hell I don't even care that it might be electric powered. that motor was never designed for that car so it won't pass smog. who cares that it actually might be better for the enviroment.



with a v8 swap I think that might pass to make it legel since a v8 was used in the thirdgen. though don't know how strict their stupid rules are sometimes. on keeping the v6 you might be able to get away with some other mods as far as cam, or mild porting of the heads if you can tune the prom and tweak it to still pass smog. this is real tuning though, not just buying a off the shelf ecu that has been "tuned". staying ways that they shouldn't know the difference. the 3.4 should help out putting a good cat back on never hurt.


best thung i can really say is read up on your smog laws and then find ou ways around them

 

You can make a V6 fast - it's all in how you approach it.

Build your car, to your standards, and how you want it to perform.

 

true

 

understood doward just california makes it a little harder

 

But, will Ca's smog ***** allow you to swap the V8 in?

 

a v8 at least came in a thirdgen stock. that is what my thinking is. I admit I am assuming but if you swaped in a lb9, L03, L98 those are all motors that came with a thirdgen correct? and it seems at least as long as you kept all the stock smog equipment while changing from motor to motor as long as that is the motor designed to go into the car and it can pass a smog test I would think ok. though I admit this might actually be incorrect as I am assuming with what I know of the stupid and crazy cali laws that sometimes make no sense

 

I know for a fact that you can do a 6 to 8 swap in california because that is exactly what I did.. basically, the new engine needs to look stock, be correct for that model year, and have all its smog equipment present and functioning. You also need the decals under the hood stating its a v8. This isn't the route the state wants you to go, but if you do this, bring the car to a smog station, and don't say anything, he'll probably just test you. I have a heads/cammed 350 under a stock tpi setup with a custom tune, he tested it as a 305 and the car passed the sniffer extremely clean. Another two years... plus the car is still a 6 to the insurance company

This is the route I suggest you go, but ofcourse I'm a bit biased. You could run a turbo setup if doward is still selling them, however you would have to remove it when smog comes around, as well as getting it tuned and adressing the fuel delivery issue under boost. Or, you could run nitrous, which would probably be your most cost effective way to get decent acceleration out of it, but I'd be cautious with 173k on the clock.. Its your car and do as you like.

 

if you really dont care about money,

go buy a wrecked 4th gen, and swap the engine, tranny, and all the smog equipment, youll pass.

i live close to you too

out in Palm Desert

 

according to cali law though a 4th gen engine won't qualify for smog. being the engine did not come with that car during that year. at least that much I know. you might still be able to swing it but that is not cali legal

 

I find it interesting that this Quote...


...wasn't even mentioned by 305q_ta86 in the thread until someone quoted him saying that...doesn't that seem strange that if you read the entire thread, you can find one instance of where 305q_ta86 actually said that?

 

I said it. I was none too happy at the time and posts like this really irritate me. And then some people didn't catch the sarcasm and thought I really thought that/thought I was trying to bash v6 cars and such. So the post got deleted by a mod.

 

ahhh...it was deleted...well that explains it...its a little strage when someone quotes you and your original "Post" was deleted...that makes it misleading (for others) as to whats going on...just an observation

 

the v6 guys get a little touchy sometimes with the previous history of v6 bashing on this site. don't get too upset. don't think it is anything against you personally just history. if your whole life you got picked on by a midget wouldn't you get a littl leary of the midgets after a while even if it is a new one?

no offence to the midgets

 

Well, ya know what V6 guys...the 305TBI owners get bashed hard as well...and they might even have it worse because of the fact that not only do they have a low powered engine, but its a V8, and you'd ecpect more out of it... At least most people wouldn't expect a lot out of a V6, but the V8TBI was one of the lowest powered V8 engines...some people even joke and say its a 5.Slow instead of a 5.0 The fact that this V8 engine only made 170 Hp at the most is not respectable...but as an owner of a 305TBI, I've learned that there are many things that can be done to make a noticeable improvement in performance.

 

Well my first fbod was a v6. My current one is an LG4. With I believe 165 horses stock. I know what it's like to be bashed.

 

try the good old pontiac motor with a 4 inch bore and a 3 inch stroke. you know the pontiac equiv of the chevy 302. it was SLOW


or even better yet the firebird that had a turbo from the factory but came in V8 form. maybe as fast as the LG4. now that's sad.

 

Ive looked hard and long into engine to engine swaps in the great state of california

YOU can swap any engine into any other vehical as long as the engine is not going from a Truck to a car/Heavy duty engines to light duty engines, and it must appear stock, have all the donor cars wireing/smog/pcms to run the engine hooked up and working correctly. IMO if your in cali and want to swap to a LS1, Buy a 4th gen.

 

Some of "US" did not buy our cars for "SPEED" yanno So lay off the v6 Smack TALK...... Sheesh... If i wanted speed i would buy a damn Viper.

 

Only if you had the damn money.




Isnt it time someone derailed this thread?

 

But i do and yes....it is about time....

 

If you think that's bad, look at the specs for the '73 Camaro... base V8 was a 307 with 115 Hp, next step up was the L65 (350) with 145.

MadMike's 1973 Camaro Data

 

bah thats nothing my 74 monte carlos 350, stock rated at 145hp, the car weighs 5300lbs

 

Well Thanks!...that make me feel better now...I gues my LO3 isn't that bad after all.

 

pontiac trans am turbo
v8 with boost... maybe can pull a high 15 second pass


only thing worse is the N/A v8 used on the same car

 

u tell that to all the GN owners.

P.S: I have a 3.4L V6 RWD. I drive it on the street normally (its currently undergoing a flywheel/clutch replacement (long story)) and the last time I dyno'd (ive swapped parts, new dyno #'s coming in may) i did 170hp / 207tq at the rear wheels - factoring in the 15% drivetrain loss, thats something like 200hp / 243tq at the crank. I've done custom things to it, but nothing super-drastic. I just realized the flaw with the motor and fixed it.

I'm expecting, in May, to be between 215-210rwhp and god knows how much tq. hopefully between 212-230rwtq. But we'll see what I come out with in May.

 

If you are referring to the Turbo Trans Am or "TTA" made in 1989(i think) - it was a 3.8L V6 from the Grand National complete with Turbocharger. Not a v8. Unless you are referring to the older 70's T/A...

 

No, he's refering to the 1980 and 1981 Turbocharged 301cid pontiac mills

yes 4.9L v-8 turbos, but the setup was rushed to production and performed weakly to say the least

 

oh sorry...corrected by a coupla years :-p (hey i said late 70s...just couldnt remember how late...guess late enough to be from the 80s! lol..whoops.)

 

i want to turbo my 3.4 see if i can get it to beat the turboed 3.8, but i dont have the cash or the skills to do the fab work.

 

Tiago of Force Fed Fabrications is selling his Turbo that he created for his 94 Firebird. it'd fit a 3.4 -- dunno how it'd work in the 3rd gen but you can ask him and see what he says.

 

i dont think it would work just because of the way the intercooler is mounted, under the front nose

 

i asked him a while back, he said it would take a lot of fabbing w/ the mounting of basically everything since nothing mounts where it does on a 4th gen. aside from the parts, it is a whole nother custom setup.

 

and the bottom ends were absolute junk.
Starting the car was like pulling the pin, it's only a matter of time, then BOOM...

 

move out of cali

 

come on man learn to read a little more
I said v8 slow pathetic. does that sound like v6 fast and cool?

also with the it would be easier to drop a v8 comment I made, read a little further you could see why I said that

kids these days
sorry I just woke up