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Old Jun 8, 2006 | 02:39 PM
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2.8 aluminum heads on a 3.1?

I have a 2.8L engine I pulled out of an 88 FWD Grand Prix. The intake is entirely different, but seems to mate to the heads in the same place. Does anyone know if they are interchangeable with the Camaro 3.1?

I have another thread, concerning the hesitation problem, and I'm wondering if air is getting past the valve guides. I had the original cast iron heads vacuum checked (they checked out OK), but didn't do a valve job. I'm just wondering if when the valve is opened, the stem clearance changes, and lets air in?

This car is a daily driver, and I can't afford the down time in doing a valve job on the existing heads. I could rebuild the aluminum heads, and swap them out, if they will fit.

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Old Jun 8, 2006 | 03:27 PM
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The heads will fit, but you'll need to put the intake on backwards, so the throttle body faces forward. You'll need the 2.8's tb, intake, and pistons as well if you want to run those heads......
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Old Jun 8, 2006 | 04:05 PM
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Originally Posted by jensen73110
The heads will fit, but you'll need to put the intake on backwards, so the throttle body faces forward. You'll need the 2.8's tb, intake, and pistons as well if you want to run those heads......
I can't use the intake from the 3.1? Why would I need 2.8 pistons? Valve indentations?

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Old Jun 8, 2006 | 04:08 PM
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search FWD heads, there are a few threads on this. the # 6 intake runner is to far back to use a distributor, you would need to use a custom dizzy or a ignition with a crank trigger, the combustion chamber on fwd heads is much smaller than the iron heads, you need the fwd pistons to compensate or you'll have VERY high compression
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Old Jun 8, 2006 | 05:41 PM
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No good?

Originally Posted by redbird8628
search FWD heads, there are a few threads on this. the # 6 intake runner is to far back to use a distributor, you would need to use a custom dizzy or a ignition with a crank trigger, the combustion chamber on fwd heads is much smaller than the iron heads, you need the fwd pistons to compensate or you'll have VERY high compression
WOW, I didn't think there was actually a physical difference in the heads. So if the #6 intake is too far back, the RWD manifold wouldn't even fit. I figured the combustion chamber would be a LITTLE smaller, and I may gain some compression, but you're saying they used dished pistons on the FWD, so I really struck out!!

Thanks for the input!!

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Old Jun 8, 2006 | 06:10 PM
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not to bust your ball but there are hundreds of 6cyls in the yards go get a set and rebuild them
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Old Jun 8, 2006 | 06:22 PM
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not to bust your ball but there are hundreds of 6cyls in the yards go get a set and rebuild them
Yeah, so I've heard, thanks.......
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Old Jun 8, 2006 | 07:00 PM
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yea, the iron heads have a 54 cc combustion chamber and the alum. have like a 26cc, that would put you at around 14:1 compression, so ive heard
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Old Jun 9, 2006 | 11:56 AM
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pics of heads

Originally Posted by redbird8628
search FWD heads, there are a few threads on this. the # 6 intake runner is to far back to use a distributor, you would need to use a custom dizzy or a ignition with a crank trigger, the combustion chamber on fwd heads is much smaller than the iron heads, you need the fwd pistons to compensate or you'll have VERY high compression
yeah, Six Shooter posted a couple of pics in a thread I searched for, they OBVIOUSLY will not fit, thanks for the referral........
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Old Jun 12, 2006 | 06:45 PM
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Well.... They'll fit, you just need to change other parts to use them. Which IMO very worth the effort.
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Old Jun 13, 2006 | 02:38 PM
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They will?

Originally Posted by Six_Shooter
Well.... They'll fit, you just need to change other parts to use them. Which IMO very worth the effort.
I saw your pics of the aluminum head mounted on a 3.1 (or was that a 2.8?) next to a cast iron head on the other bank. It looks like the edge of the head would have to be machined to get the valve cover on.

Why would you recommend it? I would need different pistons also, right?
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Old Jun 13, 2006 | 07:46 PM
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ok now this has got intresting,.,.somtimes ppl say one thing and others have diff expiriences.,now i feel like i have to know how much extra hp we talking about here?
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Originally Posted by '91TealRS
I saw your pics of the aluminum head mounted on a 3.1 (or was that a 2.8?) next to a cast iron head on the other bank. It looks like the edge of the head would have to be machined to get the valve cover on.

Why would you recommend it? I would need different pistons also, right?
Yes it would be best to use the FWD pistons....

You will also need to use the inatke and a few other items, also swapping to a DIS ignition is a must,

There is a thread abuot using 3400 heads. I believe it was authored by 94Camaro.

The top end swap would be essentially the same, but will recommend skipping the genII and early gen III top end and go for the 3400/ 2000+ 3100 top end, much higher gains.
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