Alright so some of you probably already know that I'm putting the hybrid on hold, dropped off my iron heads to get rebuilt, and am going to put stock top end back on as it will be cheaper, and I can do it FAR more quickly and want my car on the road for summer. So I then contemplated whether or not I could at least do some cheap mods to still get some decent power out of it in the process, maybe even stuff I could use on the hybrid, I want to at least match the power output of my buick, which I think I can. So heres what I came up with, I realized I could use the 1.6 ratio roller fulcrum rockers off my 3400 heads, so I'm going to do that, and then am looking at either this comp cam kit:
http://www.summitracing.com/parts/CCA-SK16-233-4/
Or more likely this crane one:
http://www.summitracing.com/parts/CRN-253941/
It says it's most of their cams are boost friendly, and judging the intake vs. exhaust duration, I believe this cam is one such cam? If so it's the perfect choice, I can put it in my 2.8 for now, get nitrous even while working on the hybrid 3.4/3400, then when I finally get that together, I can even switch over the cam, and even keep it once I'm ready to turbocharge. Then I don't wind up buying 3 cams.

The comp cam kit winds up being a little cheaper, but for the money, I'd rather have the more powerful one. Last but not least, if I use the crane cam, 1.6 roller fulcrum rockers, do a full catback exhaust, new cat, headers and new Y-pipe with ram air intake and K&Ns, do you guys think I can hit 200 hp? I believe I can, that's my goal for it, should satisfy me till I can finish the hybrid.

 

Ok, also wondering something about camshaft installation, my crank pulley is being a major pita to get off, and I don't have an air ratchet, can the flexplate tool jam trick work without removing the transmission or anything like that? And if not, Idk proper cam installation procedure, but If I get a cam I'm getting new lifters as well, but might have to have a shop install the cam because of aforementioned crank pulley difficulty, so I'm thinking I could do the lifters now, finish the top end, get it running, and then have a shop put in a new cam and timing chain/gears? Or would they still have to tear down the top end to do it? I really don't know if it can be done with the top end installed or not because of the lifters and preload on them.

 

hey man u should have just brought ur stuff up to me, anyways my net is really lagging so i cant look up the cam specs but give deltacams a call

100 bucks for cam n lifters then another 100 bucks for the comp cams springs locks and retianers

 

Brought what up to you?
Comp specs:
Basic Operating RPM Range
1,000-5,000Intake Duration at 050 inch Lift
212Exhaust Duration at 050 inch Lift
212Duration at 050 inch Lift
212 int./212 exh.Advertised Intake Duration
260Advertised Exhaust Duration
260Advertised Duration
260 int./260 exh.Intake Valve Lift with Factory Rocker Arm Ratio
0.440 in.Exhaust Valve Lift with Factory Rocker Arm Ratio
0.440 in.Valve Lift with Factory Rocker Arm Ratio
0.440 int./0.440 exh. liftLobe Separation (degrees)
110Crane specs:
Basic Operating RPM Range
2,000-5,000Intake Duration at 050 inch Lift
216Exhaust Duration at 050 inch Lift
228Duration at 050 inch Lift
216 int./228 exh.Advertised Intake Duration
272Advertised Exhaust Duration
284Advertised Duration
272 int./284 exh.Intake Valve Lift with Factory Rocker Arm Ratio
0.454 in.Exhaust Valve Lift with Factory Rocker Arm Ratio
0.480 in.Valve Lift with Factory Rocker Arm Ratio
0.454 int./0.480 exh. liftLobe Separation (degrees)
112

 

ok i just looked u do not want that crane cam for no that is an even bigger cam then i run in my car, car will be totally gutless down low

the comp cam is a 260 grind is much better but delta can grind u the same cam for alot less and even put it on an 112 or 114 lsa

edit

u shoulda just brought ur heads to me

 

Ah, how much would you have wanted to redo them? they're covered in rust and carbon head to toe, and an exhaust manifold bolt needs drilled out(don't ask....) and a spark plug snapped off inside, but that isn't a big deal, can probably turn it from the inside with pliers. And do you live in NY or pa? I know I remember someone lives near me that's pretty heavy into these engines, if you live near pgh, maybe you could help me put the cam, lifters and timing chain in for reasonable compensation?

 

im in pa right outside pittsburg gota update my location lol

**** i woulda got u them heads back ported and ready to go for 200 bucks + any extras u wanted like if u want the comp cams locks retainers and springs u would have to buy those and i will put them on for you instead of the stock stuff

add 50 bucks to have the intake all 3 sections done as well if u want

 

Well, I might have you do my aluminum ones for my hybrid then eventually, that is if I don't send them to WOT tech, but i you can do a comparable job with them I still would,lol. And yeah, you would've been cheaper, but maybe you can help me install the cam? I live in coraopolis/moon twp. its like 5 minutes from the airport, I already have the engine stripped to the block, so all really needs done is water pump, crank pulley removed, swap lifters, and swap cam with new timing chain and gears, let me know how much you would want to do that.

 

is the machine shop porting the heads if not i could do a nice street port on them for 100 when u get them back

so u just want the rest of the motor ripped down and the cam installed and buttoned back up ( shortblock anyways)

 

No they're not porting them, and retty much, like I said earlier, I just can't get the damn crank pulley off without an air ratchet, and I would kind of rather someone with more experience building engines install the cam as well, I might be interested in that port job, what kind of flow increase or powergain does it give? I'm pretty strapped for cash atm, and any money I spend on performance means longer time to get the car on the road, so it would have to be a big enough gain...

 

ahh the crank pully is a piece of cake was going to say for 100 bucks ill get ur cam installed, timing set installed and the cover buttoned back up for ya so ur set to go

as far as the heads they will make a very noticeable diff especially when combined with a cam

 

Hmm, well tell me this, what kind of power levels do you think I would hit with the crane cam, your port job, ram air intake, and full SS catback exhaust with headers and true Y-pipe(not that stock T-pipe joint crap). And also, can the cam be installed with the top end on there? or do you need to have no load on the lifters to do it? Because if so it would make things easier by giving me time to do it later when I have easier finances for it. Also how much would you want to port the intake manifolds as well? And would you gasket match to go with it?

 

Project do you own a shop or just work in one? And if so is it a parts machining shop or auto shop as well?

 

cam can be installed with the heads on just need to remove the intake to be able to get to the lifters.

the intake manifolds i posted up above i would do all 3 pieces for 50 bucks

being as its a 2.8 auto mods would get u down into mid w 15's with some tunning be alil easier to get more out of it if it was a 3.4

but dint forget ur car runs a good 17+ sec 1/4 time stock

 

family owned racecar shop for 16 years, we did parts machining engine work and chassi fabrication etc etc and reg automotive work, right now im out in pa working for for a welding/fabrication shop

 

Ah, ok, reason I asked is because I really need to get a job doing what I'm good at and like doing which is working on cars, problem is I have no degree, certifications, or prior job experience in the field =/
Probably what I'm going to do is build it bone stock for now, finish the rest of the car, then stabilize myself financially, then buy the cam, have you install it and port the heads and intakes.
Unless you're looking to buy a daily driver car and don't much care what it is :P Cause I would LOVE to sell my buick century to pave the way to finishing my camaro. Or if I'm lucky the shop hasn't done my heads yet in which case I might just get them back and have you rebuild and port them.

 

call them up and see if they did them yet if not ill do them for ya and ull be much hapier then just a stock rebuild would make ya .lol not looking for a daily driver saving up to have my car shipped back out to me right now

 

Yeah, that's what I plan to do, going to call them in the morning, as well as the new job I had for a month that was supposed to pay me my first paycheck on the 31st, I'm pretty POD I needed that damned money a month ago -_-
PM me with your address so I can figure out the distance, because until that damn paycheck I can't go far cause I'm on a spare tire atm that was already driven on last time a tire blew out(damn car had bad alignment when I got it and the front tires were already on the way out). Transmission is leaking too....$700 into the car already, and right now it needs $400-600, I don't even like the car...at all, that's half the reason I'm fast tracking my camaro now.

 

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