Ok why the hell do you guys always say you have "VERY SLOW rides"? I dont get it. I know for a fact that you 3.1L 5 speed guys out there are not slow. Thats BS. Ive got ****ty tires that dont grip worth a hell. I cant even safely drive in the rain! But come on guys WE DONT HAVE SLOW RIDES!

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1992 Camaro RS 3.1L
T5 Manual 5 speed
Open Air Intake
Z-28 Exhaust
8.5mm MSD Ignition wires
TB Coolant bypass

 

Hey, I'm not going to lie about my Camaro. It's really dog slow.

I've got an '84 Camaro Sport Coupe with the 2.8L V6, 700R4, and 3.23 gears in the rear. It's got a 2bbl carb, and it is absolute crap off the line. It runs mid 17s in the 1/4 at around 80mph. That's slow for an F-Body!

Of course, that's why there are people here like me who are trying to figure out a way to get some more speed out of our V6 engines!

My solution for right now is to sell my Camaro. It's been hit all over by dumb bastard drivers, and the fact that it has an auto and a carb setup makes me not want to dump a ton of money into a conversion...

Fear not! I will be buying another Camaro as soon as I find out if I'm moving to Colorado for a new job around the first of January. I'll be sure to get a later model V6 with fuel injection and a five speed!

And then I'll get a 2002 Camaro next fall...

 

I think in some ways it depends on the car you have. Some are just faster than others, my v6 when it had more than 200K miles, would easily hang with 305's, (stock, Don't wanna **** any 305 guys off). Now, i don't believe that a 2.8L is a fast car, but most 350's aren't fast cars. A 2.8/3.1 can be a quick car rather easily, a 305 is basically a quick car stock, and 350's come quick. While modified 350's can be fast, and they're the ones that run the 11's in the 1/4. Also, while we think that our 2.8L's are slow, i once found a site that had 1/4 times for lots of cars, and mid 70's pontiac 400's found in f-birds would run low to mid 16s in the 1/4. So are we slow? no, are we fast? no, are we quick compared to other cars out there, ? Yeah, and in the long run, who looks better on the road.

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the 85 firebird, the first firebird that doesn't burn out....

It eats the pavement!!!

KILL LIST: (SHORT BUT GROWING)

Dodge Daytona (think a 2.2),Honda Acorda (2.0L),2000 Camaro (3.8L),1992 Mustang (V6),1987 Firebird (2.8L),80's probe (4 banin'),90's malibu,90's 4 door Saturn, (wow, that was a slow ride, even slower than me.),91 Celica GT conv.,Acura Integra, 5speed DOHC 4 cylinder.
---came close----
1979 camaro (5.7),1981 camaro (5.7),1982 firebird (5.0) my tires spun, I coulda beat em!!! ,79 El Camino (350, lost by a door),96' Mustang, 3.8L stickshift. (caught him after my car downshifted.)

 

700-R4

[This message has been edited by CaliCamaroRS (edited November 16, 2000).]

 

Monkie just chill dude the carbed camaros are slow and if u really wana complain talk to those few privleged 4banger f-body owners they r slower then us... But also i have awalys wonderd somethin if we took 2 2001 Camaro's exactly the same same weight driver same reactin time would one of the 2 cars be faster or would they do the 1/4 in the exact same time?

 

well it depends on who you ask what fast is. I myself consider a mid-low 15 second car perfect for daily driving and fast enough to have fun with. My car turns a 16 flat at around 85.6mph, while it may not be fast it certainly isnt slow, meaning it has a little pep. My dad has an intrigue with a 3.5 L 215 hp V6. That thing is what I consider very quick, it has enough power to have fun with , but I dont consider it a race car. And I know I;m not the only one who thinks his car is quick, my grandpa and him have both had V8;s and they think its fast to. I think some people get a little carried away with speed sometimes when they are considering a car fast or slow. Hell most people think 13's are slow, which if you;ve been in a 13 second car you know its not.

 

I would say 15 for a 2.8 would be very honorable and that is my goal off NOS... I promise you this as soon as I can I plan to dump 100HP of NOS into it though

 

lol get some better tires. Copper Cobras kick a-s-s for the money. They were VERY good out here when the first rains finally came in even with the oily roads from no rain for so long. (long sentence )

 

Dan, if it makes you feel better, your car's 1/4 mile times aren't that far behind mine!


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-Tom P (Hot rodded 1986 Firebird 2.8l) from http://www.f-body.net/mailbag/3rd/3rd_mailbag.html message boards
---Think your car could be pic of the week? Visit http://www.f-body.net for details!

 

well you know most v6's are dog slow off the line, for example mine. But how is everybodys top end acceleration. I timed mine today on the way from school. I did 80-100 in 9.5 secs. that pretty damn fast if you ask me. I guess it depends on the car cause not all of them are excactly the same.

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88 RS----
K&N filters.
ram air setup.
speed limiter bypass.
flow master exhaust.
advanced timing.
Quick pick up top end...

Kills:
Freeway----
99 Rustang (5 speed v6. )(No contest)
98 Eclipse Rs(never had a chance)
92 Integra(what the hell was he thinking)
99 Civic rice wagon
87 B2000 (He started it)

Street---
84 Hundai(Don't ask)
98 VW Beetle
89 Sentra

 

88-RSport

Glad to hear someone else on here agrees with me!

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1992 Camaro RS 3.1L
T5 Manual 5 speed
Open Air Intake
Z-28 Exhaust
8.5mm MSD Ignition wires
TB Coolant bypass

 

slow 2.8 haha. I have an 86 camaro with a 2.8 and 3.90 gears. I have a compu-cam, polished and smoothed throttle body, ported and polished intake plenum and runners, with 3 angle valve job heads. I am running around 14.8-15.2. My car is very quick off the line, but the mid-range isn't what i want. I can beat a 5.0 87-93 rustang 5spd stock. until about 4th gear. I raced a 99 camaro SS at the begining of summer and it was not pretty at all. i kept up with him all through most of his 1st gear!! that's when i decided it was time to pull out the 406 sbc and start putting it together.

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1986 camaro with 92z28 gound effects, aero wing, 4 3/4 Unlimited products cowl, 3.90 auburn gear rear-end with Steve Spohn adj LCA's,Panhard bar. 406 stroked to to 429 motor in the works to replace 2.8. just my 2 cents

 

who says v6 f-body's can't look mean? many v8 cars won't race because it has a cowl and z-28 ground effects. I kind of like it, except when the hot-rod builders in town try to race me. they can tell that sound of the v6!


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1986 camaro with 92z28 gound effects, aero wing, 4 3/4 Unlimited products cowl, 3.90 auburn gear rear-end with Steve Spohn adj LCA's,Panhard bar. 406 stroked to to 429 motor in the works to replace 2.8. just my 2 cents

 

Hey, I'm not saying we can't all make our 2.8Ls and 3.1Ls fast, it just takes a lot of work. I think it's worth it though.

My Camaro really is not worth saving with all the body damage it has accumulated over the past five years. Stupid *** college drivers in this town...

I'd like to get another Sport Coupe, something like an '87 or an '88 with a V6 and a five speed manual trans. I'll drive that around for a while with the stock engine, while I build up a 2.8L with a brand new block and heads from GM. Hehehehehhe... At least, that's my current "dream", I guess.

Oh, well... A 14.8 - 15.2 2.8L is pretty bad *** ! What else did you do to that engine other than what you've listed so far in this message? If I had a 2.8L that ran 14s, I'd be pretty happy!

 

bradkeith, are they afraid of the hood or that you might hit them and replace the damaged panel in a diferent color? ... J/K, you planing on a paint scheme for that? Its sweet looking, just a bit odd looking currently.
-pods

 

Here's the way I see it...

OK, we aren't like turtle-*** slow, but c'mon, we're talking cars that stock did 0-60 in 10-13 seconds, and covered the 1/4 in 17.5-18.5 seconds. While in contemporary times, they were more than adequate, but when compared with new cars now, they're slow

Face it....EVERY car on my lot (save a 2.2 Sunfire with an automatic) will EAT the Camaro. It doesn't mean I don't love my car. But it can be very frustrating when I can dump another $400 or so just into basic mods for my car, and still not be able to beat a Montana minivan!!

Can you make these things go fast? Sure...but the old adage "Speed costs, how fast do you wanna go?" rings true. Hell, you can make anything fast if you want. It just takes a lotta work and the right platform.

But I have to admit (and some of you will agree), it sucks to have a "muscle car" that can be eaten by a new Sunfire GT or Grand Am GT, even after you do all the mods.

It isn't just the 6s though. Consider this...a stock '87 GTA 350 and a '99 Grand Am GT both go 0-60 in 7.2 seconds, and cover the 1/4 in right around 15 seconds. So before you guys start lynching me about knocking 6's, just consider how far new cars have come. I love 3rd gens more now than ever...but its hard to keep up with how far the car companies have come.

Please don't lynch me guys

 

Jason, you can't beat minivan's haha, j.k. actually, i know what your talking about, yes my car can hold it's own on the road, against good compitition, just look at the sig. But stock a lot of older cars aren't that fast. I have a friend with a 68 charger with a 383, he won't race me, but i think i could beat him, maybe. And if not beat him, i'd give him a good run. I was reading a firebird book at a classic autostore, and the book had a comparison between an old charger 318, firebird 400, and camaro 350. I think they were all about 1970, but not totally sure. The maro was the fastest running 0-60 in about 9 seconds, while the firebird was in the middle with a 11 second and the charger hit at like 13 or so. These weren't all fast cars, yes granted some of them were very fast, but not all muscle cars are fast, it's just using a big car with a big engine and pushing the power to the rear wheels. Nothing more. Now, while we and many other muscle cars will get beat on the street, i really don't get challenged to race that much unless i initiate it. Because i think most people are afraid of my car, (it looks mean), and we'll always look better than minivan drivers, and souped up civic owners.

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the 85 firebird, the first firebird that doesn't burn out....

It eats the pavement!!!

KILL LIST: (SHORT BUT GROWING)

Dodge Daytona (think a 2.2),Honda Acorda (2.0L),2000 Camaro (3.8L),1992 Mustang (V6),1987 Firebird (2.8L),80's probe (4 banin'),90's malibu,90's 4 door Saturn, (wow, that was a slow ride, even slower than me.),91 Celica GT conv.,Acura Integra, 5speed DOHC 4 cylinder.
---came close----
1979 camaro (5.7),1981 camaro (5.7),1982 firebird (5.0) my tires spun, I coulda beat em!!! ,79 El Camino (350, lost by a door),96' Mustang, 3.8L stickshift. (caught him after my car downshifted.)

 

Dude, I totally agree with you. And frankly, my car should (and yours should too ) get eaten by a Montana. But as you know (and as I have found out), things are different on the street. I have beaten a Z26 Beretta, Camaro LG4, Monte SS, and matched a Grand Am GT. How this happened, I have no clue. All of these cars, according to car mags, are at least 1.5 seconds faster 0-60, yet I matched or beat all of them.

So while I've had better luck than what the stats would tell you (many of you I'm sure have had the same luck), in terms of bragging rights, it just sucks to know that 115hp, 5 speed Sunfire, if driven properly, should kick our as*es

 

Just think of it this way. We can beat any V8 off the line up to about 15 or 25 mph. I mean Ive beaten a 2000 SS but when we got to 20mph it got ugly lol

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1992 Camaro RS 3.1L
T5 Manual 5 speed
Open Air Intake
Z-28 Exhaust
8.5mm MSD Ignition wires
TB Coolant bypass

 

Why is it I really doubt that? Let me see....

Uh, unless the guy was asleep, its virtually impossible to beat a car with 335 lbs/ft of torque and 275 width tires off the line. His LS1 makes more torque at idle than we do at peak. If he was racing for real, he'd have eaten anyone here.

I've jokingly raced my friends '00 T/A, and I guarantee you if that guy was racing, he'd smoke you 0-20.

 

No actually I got a good jump and he has an automatic so I did get him off the line cause I have a 5 speed. But believe what you want

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1992 Camaro RS 3.1L
T5 Manual 5 speed
Open Air Intake
Z-28 Exhaust
8.5mm MSD Ignition wires
TB Coolant bypass

 

I possibly agree, well to an extent. Before I blew my engine i raced anything i could. Including many things i could never win against. i.e. 98 Camaro SS, 00' Trans Am WS6, and several corvettes (vettes on highway) the T/A took off real slow and i did beat him off the line, but at 15mph he opened up and i saw nothing but tail lights, the Camaro did the same thing, and the vettes were able to go faster on the highway than i could anywhere, (unless falling off a cliff). I think the reason those cars took off slow and i beat them was for 2 reasons.

1. they wanted to see how fast i was first.

2. they weren't stock car drivers and didn't want to have mad hella wheel spin.

Remeber we're talking 340lbs of tq. they could burn out at 50 if they wanted to, so if they stomp on it from a stop they'll start spinning. I asked my friend with his 99 vette( I go to a rich, preppy, highscool) , and he said that it'll burn out with the accelerator half way down.

 

I didnt say I beat him fair! What I think is maybe he didnt react as well as I did or he wasnt watching the light. But it did happen and I got the best jump I have ever had. It was one of those where you look at the other light and a little bit after it hits yellow you punch it. thats how ya do it!

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1992 Camaro RS 3.1L
T5 Manual 5 speed
Open Air Intake
Z-28 Exhaust
8.5mm MSD Ignition wires
TB Coolant bypass

 

bradkeith, that picture could raise a lot of questions.. you should get some doors from a thirdgen WS6 and really throw some people off when they see Formula 350

what did ya pay for that hood tho? i was lookin for something similar for my iroc, and put my iroc hood on the v6 since the hood thats on it now is kinda messed up..

someone ask me how to run 12's in a v6 camaro without boost or juice..

 

Ok Monkie, now that you admit it wasn't fair, I can buy that

Put it this way...my ex's '87 5.slow kicked my *** between my ears....she had an automatic too. And I DARE say an '00 SS will eat her car.

I can always brag that my car looks better than hers though The thing only has like 70k miles but it all faded and looks like ****. Every time I park next to it in my friend's '82 Impala, I make sure to give it a little love tap...lol

[This message has been edited by Jason E (edited November 20, 2000).]

 

the best is when they don't wanna race you because your car looks too mean.... it may look pretty, but it's PRETTY slow.



I think we can all agree that it looks fast. But it's our little secret that it's just an 135 hp 2.8 liter 6 cylindered SPORT COUPE

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Red 88' Camaro SC
Aero Spoiler
2.8 V6, 3.42 Open Rear
TCI 3200 Stall TC
B&M Transkit
Forced Air Induction
83 Z/28 Hood
Custom Painted GFX and Rims
2.5" Dynomax Catback
IROC Gages
IROC Taillights
IROC Foglamps
'92 Z/28 Bowtie Grille
BFG Radial T/A
P235/60/SR15 front
P235/60/SR15 rear

Blue '86 IROC Camaro
305 TPI, 3.23 Posi, Auto
ALL options, fully loaded
(first owner = $ rich $)Bone Stock
Pirelli's
P225/50/ZR16 front
P245/50/ZR16 rear

 

The 3.1 was fun. It ran 17 flat in the 1/4, but i got tired of being eaten by Neons! The last straw was when I ran my friends automatic Integra. I went home and built a 350. Now the car has the nut is should of had from the factory. That gets old too. I was eaten by a hopped up 5.slow the other night. No problem, I am shopping for an LT1 now!

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1992 Pontiac Firebird 350/Six Speed
1987 Toyota Pickup 383/500+ HP