School had just let out, and I was headed home. I see my two friends ahead of me. One has a 305 88' Cutless Supreme, the other has a 302 89' Thunderbird. Turning to get on the interstate, I see them both gun it, and so do I. The Thunderbird was in the lead by 3 cars, followed by the Cutless, then me 5 cars back. I had got behind a big semi truck, so I was already behind. Well, I had the gas floored and was flying! I blew past the Cutless, going about 95. Then I started coming up to the Thunderbird, he was a little tougher, but I passed him going about 115! Boy that was one hell of a rush. They didnt like it too much, losing to a V6!

To add the tech: About how fast can my car go? I know it still had a lot more in here when I let off the go-pedal. Also should the tranny stay in 3rd gear instead of going into overdrive going that fast?

P.S. (Both cars were stock)

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91 RS Camaro
3.1L
Cat Back System, K&N filter,modified air box, Fastchip Stage 2, 160 thermo, Rapidfires and Bosch Wires, soon to come: Homemade Ram Air
5 Air Horns

Kills: 89' 302 Thunderbird, 88' 305 Cutlass Supreme, 90' 3.8 Bonneville


[This message has been edited by Garmer (edited November 20, 2000).]

 

On my old Camaro,I did 125mph...That was just at redline. I could have pushed it farther,but why?

Dont ask me what upgrades and stuff my old RS had,to the extent of which is unkown to me,all I know is that it supposedly had like 170hp or something from what the guy who I bought it from told me.

Go figure.

 

RS'er?

How do you know you were going 125? Your stock speedo only went to 115. Plus, how did you redline it, in 3rd gear? 3rd gear in our cars won't last to 125, and 4th gear is too deep for a top speed run.

Garmer,

Good job man!! BTW, the Cutlass would have had the 307 Olds V8 (assuming its the original motor). I ate one of those 307s in an '87 Regal. Nice work

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Jason E
'89 Camaro RS 2.8
Hypertech chip/K&N filters/Accel 8.8 wires,coil/RapidFires
Eclipse CD and 100x4 amp/Boston plates and 6x9s
Alpine Alarm w/ Keyless entry
IROC tailights/tinted windows

[This message has been edited by Jason E (edited November 20, 2000).]

 

Jason it must not be the orginal, b/c it is a 305!

 

Cool...yeah, I've seen a few people throw 305s in Regals and Cutlasses. What pisses me off though is when I pop a hood on a kid's car and they swear its a 305 when I know its a 307! Either way, the engines are rated the same (145hp), so its still a nice kill

 

Cousin had a radar gun...Well,it read 125...probly not too accurate. Anyhow,the engine was really having a workout...close to the little red line

 

I've had my Camaro up to ~120MPH before... That was the point when the trans wouldn't want to stay in OD. I had to let off the gas to stay in OD... I was following a '70s something Vette at the time. What a blast!

3.23 rear gears with the 700R4... The RPMs were high when it would drop to 3rd gear, that's all I know. I wasn't looking at my tach going that fast!!!

 

That Cutlass may have been a Canadian made car because they all come with 305's up here. Which is really strange since Olds makes the 307. Anyone know why they did this?

 

My top speed is 137 mph. That was with the P255/70r15 tires, and the 3.42 rear gear (effective ratio = 3.23).

I was racing a VW Passat Turbo- man, what a quick car! I never saw a car move that quickly in such short distances. Anyway when we hit traffic, I noticed him waving his CB radio at me. I picked mine up, and we got to talking- I was suprised he had a Turbo, he was surprised I was a v6!

Anyway I asked him how fast his speedo went, he said up to 150? 180? Something like that. I asked him if he noticed how fast we were when we were both lined up, since mine stopped at 85. He told me 137! Yeah!

Scary stuff tho, and I'll never do it again. Me and my friend rolled our windows up to help out with the air resistance; I guess it worked eh?


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My Firebird (3.1)used to shut off between 110-115 mph. I thought that was pretty much the norm. I was playing with a 5.0 upstairs on 95 once. Was already cruising at 100 when I pasded him. He passed me back and off we went. I was watching the road when the car shut down. I thought I blew the motor!

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1992 Pontiac Firebird 350/Six Speed
1987 Toyota Pickup 383/500+ HP

[This message has been edited by Mark W. Winning (edited November 21, 2000).]

 

About a year and a half ago a few weeks after I got my Camaro, I took it out on the rural section of US 321 to see how fast it would go. I'm not sure of the exact number, but it went past the 85 and all the way back around to that little mark that indicates the 0. That is where I let off, b/c I didn't wanna kill the car and it hit me that if I was caught doing this, they would prb make sure I never drove a car in the state of North Carolina again. It was a rush, but I'll never do it again. I figure it was going 120 though.

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1986 Berlinetta, 2.8L, newly rebuilt 700R4, 3.42 Posi. 131K miles and counting, K&N air filters.

 

Damn, I hate to sound like a pain in the *** on this post for questioning you and RS'er, but dude, how the hell did you wind your speedo around if you have a digital speedo? Pretty nifty trick.

BTW, 105 with the top off was enough for me 1 night

[This message has been edited by Jason E (edited November 21, 2000).]

 

well, i'm not sure about top speed, but with the new motor, when the 85mph speedo is burried, past the 90-95 mark, i'm still at about 4000 rpm's with 2k to go. So, i'd say that the cars will go pretty high, good kill too.

 

I gave the digital speedo alot of thought,and I wanted one,but the cheapest I could find was like $400,so I decided not.

The way I know I was doing 125,+/- who knows,was that my cousin has a radar gun..He picked it up at a flea market for like $75...nifty little gizmos.

 

...oh,I see that digital speedo thing wasnt aimed at me...my bad

 

RS'er,

LOL man Hehe...Dude, I wasn't ranking on ya!! I just wanna know how the hell you peg the needle on a digital speedometer...

 

Alex, Im from Surrey, do you race at all and what do you drive? Id like to start a local F-Body club, maybe you could be in on it with me.

As far as this whole 307/305 thing goes, Im completely lost! I always thought that Regals/Cutlasses came with 305's and that 307's were an evil tool of the 70s in Chevelles! Someone set me straight!!

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1991 Firebird Formula, 305, TPI, Auto...stock till I get some money!!!
Former owner of an 88 2.8 Firebird....RIP

 

Hehe...let me explain

Indeed, there was a Chevy 307 produced from '69 to '72 (?) or '73 (?). This engine was canceled because at the time it was felt the 350 was fine for a smaller V8 engine.

When fuel economy became an issue again, Chevy knew they needed a smaller V8, but wouldn't go back to the 307. Something about it made it a very "dirty" engine emissions wise...I forget what, but I can find out if you're curious. Anyway, the 305 was made by resizing a 350 block cumbustion chambers. The shape of the combustion chambers made it a cleaner engine than the old Chevy 307.

Now, as for the OLDS 307!! Indeed Olds made a 307. As a matter of fact, it was a common '80s engine, yet many forget about it. Indeed, '80s Buick Regals and Olds Cutlasses DID NOT have a 305. Olds had its own V8 left over from the '70s (even though Pontiac's 301 was killed after '81). So the 307 got (roughly) the following '80s applications:

1) Various '80s Regals (only offered certain years), and Olds Cutlasses

2) Almost all GM's full size wagons (aka Caprice, Parisienne, Cutlass Cruiser, Electra) came with this engine...a lot of Caprices had 305s though.

3) The C body RWDs (aka Cadillac Fleetwood, Olds 98, Buick Electra) used the 307, not the 305.

4) Certian B bodys (Olds 88s, Buick LeSabres, Pontiac Parisiennes) had the 307s too...Caprice/Impala sedans never did.

Follow all that?? This list is not complete...I am pretty sure I left something out. But what is here I know is correct.

As for a HP rating, all 307s regardless of application in regular cars had 145hp. The '83-'84 Hurst/Olds and '85-'87 442s had the 307 H.O. with 180hp.

My brain is tired....

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Jason E
'89 Camaro RS 2.8
Hypertech chip/K&N filters/Accel 8.8 wires,coil/RapidFires
Eclipse CD and 100x4 amp/Boston plates and 6x9s
Alpine Alarm w/ Keyless entry
IROC tailights/tinted windows

[This message has been edited by Jason E (edited November 21, 2000).]

 

Thanks!

I'll be sure to keep that if I ever to decide to by a Cutlass/Regal!

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1991 Firebird Formula, 305, TPI, Auto...stock till I get some money!!!
Former owner of an 88 2.8 Firebird....RIP

 

Jason E,

the Oldsmobile G-bodies did have chevy 305's only if they were built in Canada. I have no idea why, and I've never been able to find anyone who can tell me why. If you check out this page, it has a VIN decoder. Check the engine types, Chev 305 is there.
http://sman.oldsgmail.com/Decoder.htm

Dude,

I've got an 87 Firebird with the V6. It just got stolen and recovered, I think you replied to that message. Anyway, they found it in Burnaby, it was just a joyride I guess.

I'm living in Coquitlam right now, and going back to UBC in January so I don't really have any $$$ to spend on racing or whatever. Have you checked out bcstreetracing.com? They're the guys that race near the Tim Hortons in Langley.

I'd be into an f-body club. There were a bunch of guys that were on a mailing list before, NorthWest F-body, it was Seattle/Vancouver etc. I think Glenn was on that list as well (he's in Kamloops).

Here's the url: http://www.nw-fbody.org/

 

JasonE, How the hell would you know if I have a digital speedo or not? I have the regular 85 mph speedo on my car dude. You've never saw my car so why are you telling me I have a digital. Some Berlinettas had digital ones, mine doesn't, same goes for my friends 85.

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1986 Berlinetta, 2.8L, newly rebuilt 700R4, 3.42 Posi. 131K miles and counting, K&N air filters.

 

Alex,

I go down to Port Kells quite often and Ill definately check out that site!

PS - UBC sux, SFU all the way baby!!

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1991 Firebird Formula, 305, TPI, Auto...stock till I get some money!!!
Former owner of an 88 2.8 Firebird....RIP

 

me and a friend were checking out a 85 Grand Prix and the owner said the car had a stock 307 in it. hum, did the GP get one?

 

Ok, Jason86...chill out dude. You say you did that fast, fine...I don't really give a sh*t. But every bit of Chevy literature I have says '84-'86 Berlinettas have DIGITAL dashes. When the Berlinetta became the LT in '87, it went to ANALOG dashes...hence the new model name...they wanted to differentiate it from the cool yet unpopular DIGITAL dashes.

So don't jump down my throat...sorry, but I normally tend to believe what factory literature will tell me, along with about 5 Camaro books, Motor Trend and Car and Driver articles on Berlinettas. None say one thing about an analog '84-'86 Berlinetta.

But I just asked over at History/Restoration, and Drew told me they indeed did make Berlinettas with analog IPs. Hey, how did I know, when every source I have tells me different?

Why has this board gotten so goddamned bitchy??

AlexJH,

Yeah, Canadian GM models get some different option combos versus American models. The 307 was a pretty dirty engine...maybe Canada had emissions standards the ol' 307 couldn't meet?


[This message has been edited by Jason E (edited November 22, 2000).]

 

'85f-bird,

I'd have to check my Motor Trend new car issues on that....they very well may have come with them!! Like I said, the list that is there is accurate, but I KNOW there are some models I'm missing

 

Jason86,

I checked my post on History/Restoration board...check it out...I WASN'T wrong about your car, even though I haven't seen it.
https://www.thirdgen.org/messgboard/...ML/000235.html

 

As a matter of fact...(I'm kinda partial to the g-body)....GM DID put chevy v8's in g-bodys.I have had several cutlass's that had that damn 260ci engines(waste of engine space )I had one...a 78 with a 305 chevy engine.It wasn't cut up or hacked it came from the factory with this engine.
I bought it from a friends uncle who purchased the car from the dealer....brand spanking new.This guy baby'd this Cutlass...it had t-tops,power everything,all the guage work in the dash and console shift.I bought it from him for $2000....drove it for probably 2 years then a hail storm beat the hell out of it.
I couldn't afford any thing other then liability insurance so I was screwed.
I sold it back to my buddy's uncle for $1300.
Now my buddy owns it...well...his dad does.He plans on pulling the 305 to drop in a 350.It is still a nice car but it needs a paint job REAL bad.
BTW...I have a 78 cutlass now with a 260 thats for sale???????????
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[This message has been edited by Kevin S (edited November 23, 2000).]

 

Hehe Kevin, a 260???? Uh, no I should send you copies of a couple MT articles I have of 260s, including a 260 DIESEL Yeah, with 90hp, they didn't like the diesel that much. BTW, when I was talking about G bodies (my 2nd favorite platform ), I was referring to '80s Olds's, like the '87 Cutlass Garmer raced.

I remember now that Olds got in hot water in the late '70s with some owners because they were putting Chevy engines in Oldsmobiles. Apparently, some of the old folks who bought them couldn't tell, but when they'd take their car to an independent garage for an oil change, baffled mechanics would ask the car's owners why their new Olds's had Chevy engines!! After this debacle (and a few lawsuits), GM declared all its engines to be "GM engines produced by various divisions."

BTW Kevin, the 260 is indeed an Olds motor (was that what you meant?? I couldn't really tell)...the 267 was the tiny Chevy motor (which my friend's '82 Impala has....ICK!!!)

[This message has been edited by Jason E (edited November 23, 2000).]