KED85

I have an idea, but, I need your assistance.
Vic Edelbrock does make smog legal headers for the early 2.8 Blazers.
They are a great foundation for making/adapting them to the 60 degree V-6 we/many here have.
Myself included.
I'd be happy to create a letter, to send to Vic or his daughter Cammie.
Anyway, those S-10 Blazer headers are a great foundation to recreate into a legal V-6 60 Degree header for our application.
IF THEY SEE A STRONG PRESENCE IN THE MARKET PLACE TO PURCHASE THEM.

BE REAL, help me this way.
Would you buy them?
WHAT WOULD YOU PAY FOR THEM?
HELP ME UNDERSTAND HOW STRONG THE MARKET DESIRE IS FOR THIS PRODUCT.
What we would be doing is "re-inventing" a proven marketable item, but adapting it for our dying market (older F-Bodies, oboslete engines, but affordable cars for many people).
I/WE would have to convince Vic that we mean business & that there is a market for this product.
The CARB certification cost $$$$$$$$$$$, but, this product, we desire is based upon a previously certified product.
Heck, it would be great if they made a complete exhaust system, engine block to tailpipe
Sell it as a complete kit!
I almost believe one could take that current S-10 Blazer product, plug up AIR holes in each tube, adapt an EGR mounting post, you've got smog legal headers for very little cost to the manufacture, EXCEPT certification process cost.
But......
Help me understand, no BS.
I do know, I'll bet, I can get a meeting with him.

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Chat Soon,
KED85
Karl
1985 Firebird 2.8 to 3.4 swap project for Smog Happy LA, CA

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AlexJH

How much cash would we be looking to spend? I would definitely be interested if it's not too much dough.

KED85

That's not the issue.

How much would YOU be willing to invest in a set of street legal 60 degree V-6 headers?

Oh yeah, provide me links to other V-6 sights for this question, too.

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Chat Soon,
KED85
Karl
1985 Firebird 2.8 to 3.4 swap project for Smog Happy LA, CA

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FBODY-ADDICT

Lets do it guys, if you get edelbrock to make the headers for under $300 I wouldn´t pass up the opportunity.

kernel

i would definately be interested in buying them for under 300.00 too. and these would be a direct bolt on too right??

KED85

I am not making them.
I am asking for a market research response.
I assume that Edelbrock would definetly make them a true bolt on set up.
Like ANY Hot Rod part, it may need welding to connect to the current exhaust set up.
I DO NOT KNOW ABOUT THE HEADERS FOR THE S-10 Blazers, as I do not own them.
I do not know what one does to connect them to the exhaust sytem.
I recall someone having them and converting them to fit our V-6 60 degree engine bays.

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Chat Soon,
KED85
Karl
1985 Firebird 2.8 to 3.4 swap project for Smog Happy LA, CA

taliesian

I'm in, I have a 85 firebird and a 86 firebird 3.2 that I would buy them for.

KED85

Now we are getting somewhere.

I need other sites for this question, too.

AGAIN, I DO NOT KNOW ANY ANSWERS, I AM CONDUCTING MARKET RESEARCH QUESTION TO SEE WHAT MAY HAPPEN IN OUR QUEST FOR HP PRODUCTS!

SO FAR - Price is in the $300 range.

IF IT COST MORE
Yea or Nay?

I mean headers for the late model V-8 F-bodies go for up to $600-$800

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Chat Soon,
KED85
Karl
1985 Firebird 2.8 to 3.4 swap project for Smog Happy LA, CA

Ovrclck350

Hey Ked, I thought that the length of the headers or something wasn't right for our engines. I remember a conversation about this a while back. Something about truck headers are made for different levels of power or something, ah well.

KED85

My SIMPLE thinking on that detail is this.
They have the flange already made/bought/molded.
They have a pattern for similar application.
Adapt that application to our engine bay, remove the AIR tube part, add EGR part, our header is made.
Get it certified.
What money are they out?
Certification cost. Slight remanufacturing cost.
Absorbed by demand/reselling in the marketplace.

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Chat Soon,
KED85
Karl
1985 Firebird 2.8 to 3.4 swap project for Smog Happy LA, CA

86Chicken

I'm in if they could be made for <$300.

Cross your fingers.

Dale

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1986 FireBird
2.8L MPFI
Gutted Cat, No muffler (Sweet Sound)
Was 700-R4 --&gt; Now T5
Headers????

Vortex_89rs

Headers, yes. Smog legal, no.

HAHAHA They would be great. I would be willing to pay about $250 or so for them, maybe a little more if they came with a y-pipe (pretty expensive from the local exhaust shop).

Vman

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1969 Camaro Sport Coupe
383, 700R4, leather, everything black but the lights

Previous owner of an 89 RS Camaro
2.8L V6, 700R4

KED85

It is a possiblilty if the manufacture sees a demand in the market place.
Don't be so quick to blow this idea off.
Think positive.
SO FAR,
I see a demand
a current adaptable product
trying to see a cost ($300 range)

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KED85
Karl
1985 Firebird 2.8 to 3.4 swap project for Smog Happy LA, CA

Mike Harvey

$300 seems a little steep as far as price goes but so long as it doesn't exceed that price.
Hey also include this in your letter. Ask them if they would like a mold or the original headers that were made for our engines. Since I have the original headers that were made by hooker this should be a great help to them. All they would have to do is make the fittings for smog equipment. If they would like to I would send them my headers so that you guys can get molds (or whatever they are called) made for the headers. But in return from Edlebrock or who ever we get to do this I want my headers to have the fittings made for my smog equipment, which in my case would only be the EGR valve. Hope this helps.

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- Mike Harvey -
1986 Firebird S/E

KED85

As an FYI,
My last in my hand PAW catalog lists the cost for the S-10 Blazer 2.8 option as $240.
I AM NOT SAYING THAT IS THE FINAL COST FROM THE MANUFACTURER.
BUT..........
That's the cost of my (idea) foundation header goes for, currently (1999 catalog).

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KED85
Karl
1985 Firebird 2.8 to 3.4 swap project for Smog Happy LA, CA

Mike Harvey

DAMN!!!!! That's expensive for headers on a 6 cylinder. You can get Hedman Headers from Summit Racing for $132.69 plus there are CA CARB certified too. That's why I thought $300 was way too steep.

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- Mike Harvey -
1986 Firebird S/E

bub

im in for the headers to no problem ive been looking for a set for 2 years even ran a couple of ads in the paper but nothing.
latley ive been thinking of costum headers

KED85

Mike,
Explain, please.
IF these are really true smog-legal headers, why is everyone mickey-mousing something else, bitching that there are no true adaptable headers for their 2.8/3.1/3.4 engines?
All I've read is no one has them.
LOOKING at the last PAW catalog, I have, Hedman does list their product but NOT CERTIFIED FOR CA, period.
What do you know that no one else does?
Help us!
JUST spoke to Summit, went thru 7 manufactures catalogs.
NO
Mike what do you know?

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Chat Soon,
KED85
Karl
1985 Firebird 2.8 to 3.4 swap project for Smog Happy LA, CA

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Mike Harvey

Go to Summit Racing
And type in this part number: HED-69250
Next to it, it will say that they are V6 Headers(CA). To me that means CA CARB smog legal. All I did was 2 minutes of searching to find this, I don't don't why this was such a big deal to find CA CARB certified S-10 headers for the 2.8L. Did I answer all of your questions?

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- Mike Harvey -
1986 Firebird S/E

Mike Harvey

Instead of playing around w/ these headers that I already have I think that I am going to buy those S-10 headers instead. Then someone can take my headers off of my hand.

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- Mike Harvey -
1986 Firebird S/E

KED85

Mike,
That's not the issue.
I already, as many here do, know that there are smog legal headers for the S-10 Blazer application.
Most repliers, myself included, want smog legal headers for the F-Body cars.
No one offers them.
I want to offer my market research to Edelbrock and see if they would market them for our F Body cars.
I am seeking to convince them that since they already have a "pattern", modify the current (S-10) application for the F Body market buyers, send it to be CARB certified.
Edelbrock does offer an excellent designed product, that's why I wouldn't mind trying them, first.

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Chat Soon,
KED85
Karl
1985 Firebird 2.8 to 3.4 swap project for Smog Happy LA, CA

Mike Harvey

Oops, you made it sound like you were talking bout the S-10 headers w/ the CARb & all that, sorrry about that.
Are those Pace Setters 3.4L headers CA smog legal or no? That might be another avenue to explore.

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- Mike Harvey -
1986 Firebird S/E

KED85

NOT that I am aware of, nor anyone else, so far.
Summit offered me selections from atleast 7 manufacturers.

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KED85
Karl
1985 Firebird 2.8 to 3.4 swap project for Smog Happy LA, CA

3.1 firebird

I'd be interested in buying some. I currently have 3.4 pacesetter headers that I had to bend to get to fit. It does have O2 sensor bungs on the headers, but they are on the #5 and #6 primary tubes, since our cars only have one O2 sensor it basically can only read off#5 cylinder, so the accuracy is in question. I had an AIR tube welded onto the #3 primary to make them smog legal (they passed for legal at the illinios visual check, ).

Graeme'sFirebird

Id be in for under 300. BTW..those blazer headers are for lower rpm power, while the v6 headers would want mid-upper hp

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" I'd rather run last in a full out race, than to NOT run at all ".

KED85

The way to get the manufacture to possible think of doing this is to go forward from a past design.
The only past design is the S-10 Blazer, no matter how they are tuned for performance.
Good point brought up.
O2 sensors in the header (at engine) compared to the one I have on my 1985, at the pipe by the CC.
That's shouldn't be so hard to work around.
When did that location change?
My 1985 is at the CC
The ones from my 3.4 swap are at the engine.
help me with tha detail, please.

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Chat Soon,
KED85
Karl
1985 Firebird 2.8 to 3.4 swap project for Smog Happy LA, CA

87CamaroLT

Mine's down by the cat too... and it's an 87.

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--'87 Camaro LT --
Currently undergoing a 2.8-&gt;3.4 swap.....

TomP

Mine's also down by the cat, it's about, oh, I dunno, 12 inches or so away from the cat flange.

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-Tom P (Hot rodded 1986 Firebird 2.8l) from http://www.f-body.net/mailbag/3rd/3rd_mailbag.html message boards
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A10Beav

iTrader: (1)

I'm in. I'm not too concerned with the cost, as long as it's within the chevy's price range.

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1988 Firebird under restoration

KED85

From what I can tell,
O2 sensors are at
1985-87 (so far) 1-O2 & at the cat
1995 (so far) 2-O2 sensors, 1 per manifold, at the manifold

Need to fill in the blanks.

I also need other V-6 webistes to ask my question.
Would you buy smog legal 60* V-6 headers?
Would you pay about $300?


Thanks.

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KED85
Karl
1985 Firebird 2.8 to 3.4 swap project for Smog Happy LA, CA

3.1 firebird

I;'d pay 300..........
try these sites.
camaroz28.com
f6fody.com

ballstothewalls

i would definitly buy these headers for my 2.8 for 300. the car is real slow and that would help it alot. am i right?

Bizzy

I would definately bye those headers for my 1984 2.8. $300 is cool. I'd spend more if i had to though.

gemmefire

I would deffentaly spend 300 on headers for my 87 2.8 i think its a great idea that i soport till the end

Luke

I'm in!

KED85

Funny, of the others websites, I tried, I got the most responses to my question, here.
Well, I gonna draft a letter, see where it gets us.
One thing, this site is really into the 60* V-6. The other V-6 site is very heavy into 4th gen V-6 3.8.

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Chat Soon,
KED85
Karl
1985 Firebird 2.8 to 3.4 swap project for Smog Happy LA, CA

KED85

I have drafted a letter to Mr. Edelbrock.
I hope to deliver to the Edelbrock HQ by Wednesday.
I'll keep ya informed, where this goes.


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Chat Soon,
KED85
Karl
1985 Firebird 2.8 to 3.4 swap project for Smog Happy LA, CA

91Transformedbird

I have a 91 firebird 3.1 and i'd be in if it's under $300 also. The O2 sensor is about the same as the 80's models, like bout a foot away from the CC.

Camaro_hunter_d

I would love headers for my 3.1 but I am ot going to spend 300 bucks for them when I can get them for less then 150 for my other RS 305. If they want to charge 300 plus for headers then I will buy a pipe bender for 120 and buy the materials and attempt to put a few togeather myself and try them out.

KED85

Hi All,
The envelope, with our responses has been sent in the mail.
Edelbrock is not very far from my home.
My/our course of action is exactly what the tech rep suggested I do, each of us send a letter to Vic Edelbrock.
Well, guess what, you just did.

I'll keep ya posted!

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Chat Soon,
KED85
Karl
1985 Firebird 2.8 to 3.4 swap project for Smog Happy LA, CA