One of my friends drives a 1996 Mustang. All stock... well as she says... all stock except for the cd player... amp... and the horse on the front grill haha. She wants 2 race me at the track around here when it opens up. I'm getting my transmission rebuilt next weekend. I was wondering two things. Is there anything I should ask for when getting my tranny rebuilt to make it better? And will I beat this mustang or should I not even try it? Thanks in advance!

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i think she'll take you. all your mods are visual and sound system.

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i hope not... all i know is we both have V6's and we both are automatics

 

If you try, manual shift, brake hold it at about 1500 rpm and cross ur fingers.

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1989 Firebird. Modded.
700r4-->t5 w/ram clutch
Cold air, 1.6 rockers, 21lb injectors, 3" y-pipe, random tech cat, 3" ipipe, flowmaster 80 series 3" in 3" out hand made stainless tips, Lakewood LCA's, Msd 6a, Msd coil, Wonder Bar, 180* stat,
Coming Soon: T/a hood, Painted,Spohn Panhard Bar, 4thgen Front Seats, Cam!, Msd 8.5 wires, Posi (ACCEL IS CRAP)
"I'd rather run last in a full out race, than to NOT have run at all"
See my car Here!
In Memory of #3 Dale Earnhardt

 

manual shift?? brake hold at 1500 RPM?? i'm new... please help! haha r u saying i should put it in first? then manually shift it 2 2nd.... drive... then overdrive?

also is there any free or very cheap mods i can do to make it run faster?

 

I used to drive a v6 stang around that was a stick
they are not that fast
if you car is running right I think you should take him

my rx7 eats up on the v6 stangs I am stock. have a friend with a 92 RS and he is almost able to keep up with me, a lot better then the v6 mustangs.

the only thing the stang should have on you is 1st gear. those things are so damn short atleast on the one I drove. then second it would not do anything else

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Assuming she can drive...

No chance... You'd at least need CIA with KNN's, an exhaust, and one hella good running engine...

Assuming she can't drive, and you can, a cold air and KNN's and ditch -all- the weight you can and it'll be close... hard to call it from there...

When I race my GF (95 'stang) she is cool about it... only about half throttle so I don't loose so bad... my friends not broken 91 RS would loose if she learned how to race...

Hate to say it, but V6 3rd gen F-bods vs. V6 4th gen Fox-bods is like comparing apples to oranges... they're both cars, but they stomp us in just about every aspect... even V6 4th to 4th gen we still loose... the V8 models is another story all together however...

Another thing you got against you is all that stereo stuff... it's weighing you down... take it all out for the run, including spare tire and jack, floor mats... and anything else you can find... run with a 1/4 tank of fuel...

Shift like you said... but practice first, at the track in serious competition is a bad time to mess up... when in doubt just leave it in D... either way, stage like this...:

Drive -around- the patch of water that will probably be there, you don't need it, it'll just get in the treads of your tires and drip down once you've stopped and staged, causing you to spin (spin = bad!).... so anyway you drive around it and do a small burnout, no need to shred your street tires, just need to remove surface dirt and warm them... stage. If you manually shift, shift to first and rev your engine to about 1200-1500 (whatever your brakes can hold, you don't wanna move, and don't wanna spin once you let off the brakes, this is the part that takes racers years to learn and perfect)... then when the tree lights green, drop the brake and go, adjust gas accordingly, if you hook-up well you can mash it off the line, however if you spin you'll need to let off... it'll take some getting used to... I wouldn't know shift points for you to shift at, but obviously don't go to redline... I'd say shift to second at about 4800, then into third at about 4500 and run through the traps in 3rd. OD will do nothing, it won't shift if your at WOT, and if your at anything less than WOT you'll loose time and speed. If you run into, or feel as though you're going to run into redline conditions before the end of the trap, it's ok to let off (save the car!)...

If you leave it in D, still hold the engine at 1200-1500 and then just mash and go (traction dependant)... I'd make sure your TV cable is in good adjustment either way...

As far as things you can do to the trans? Take that question over to the trans board... some -VERY- knowledgable people over there... if you can get a shiftkit that will allow a reverse shift pattern (full manual is -not- reccomended for street cars), it'll make manual shifting easier... (instead of PRNO321 it'd be PRN123O or PRNO123 (I don't know where OD would come in, or if it could even work/exist))

Holy crap...this turned into a long post... Hope it helped you out a little...

Good luck...

And dude, I was just checking out your site... we're alot alike, it's crazy... Slipknot, Mudvayne, Static-X... long hair (hell yeah!) Camaro's... Heh, sorry, had to rant... Anyway, good luck with the race...

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yaa, i just raced a 2001 V6 crustang last nite............he beat me by a car length.................i stayed at his bumper till he hit the higher gears..........what really shocks me though is that his is automatic and mine is 5 speed........his is totally bonestock and i have the mods listed in my sig............FORDS SUCK!!!!!!!! lol

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She will take you . But I like your car better . Camaros are just better looking cars in my oppinion. Motors aren't everything man . Wayne

 

yeah, yer gonna get burnt, but at least you probably didnt spend as much for the car.
(BTW: The horse comes with the car, wtf r u talkin about?)
Also, note an RX-7 costs more than a v6 stang, you cant buy em anymore, it weighs less, & its got way better gearing. Oh yeah, & rotorys dont count, my friend's dad has a car museum in France & has a '97 RX-7 Type RS (Japan only model, right hand drive) with 276hp, I think its a 1.3 liter, 2 turbos with about 18 lbs of boost each.
I've driven a 99 Mustang v6/5 speed, its pretty crappy on everything except stops & turns, but it looks a hell of a lot better than my 86 GT & the Berlinetta (v6) that I'm savin up for (cops know my stang too good, gotta breath legal when I'm in that).

 

One more thing, (Xenodrgn) the 96 is 5th generation stang. basically. Technically its 7th gen.
For all the differance that makes.

 

Xenodrgn thanks. I doubt we'll even race anywayz we always joke around. Besides the track doesn't open for a while I dont' think. Even if we do maybe I'll get a lil lucky and pull it out. If not oh well haha.

slix, about the horse. Someone stole her horse off the front of the car so she had to get a new one. That's why she said everything was stock except the cd player, amp, and horse lol. Oh yeah, I definently didn't spend as much on my car lol. I spent $2000... plus add about $1200 for the stereo system, seats, and replacement stuff under the hood.

 

if that was in reference to me then I am not driving a turbo.
just a 1.3L N/A

turbos are too much trouble.
car stock from the fact back in 87 only cost 20k
just making a comp cause I beat the v6 stangs and friend with a 92 RS almost keeps up with me.

 

well, when u get the tranny rebuilt, if it's an auto have a corvette servo installed, also think about a shift kit.... When then install the vette servo, see if they can boost the line pressure for the tranny fluid, all of those will firm up the shifting. IN my car it was enough to make the auto chirp second gear. Also before you race her, remove all of your stereo crap ( sorry about the crap) but stereo stuff will basically do one of two things, slow you down or slow you down and provide good music to listen to as you lose. You'd have a much better chance without the extra weight. I think those stangs had like 150hp, not sure how much they weighed though, but it probably is equal or a little more than us... So, you're 135-140 hp might be enough to give her a good run. good luck.

 

The Rx7 went out of production in the US in '95 and the only place you could get a '97 is in Japan... people also seem to lose sight of the fact that the first and second gen Rx7's also kicked *** (which won't cost more than a '96 stang or a thirdgen camaro/firebird for that matter). Why doesn't a rotary count? Cause it can put out the most Hp per liter of any combustion engine?

 

Whats sad is the rustangs only make 140 HP on there V-8 engines and i think in 98 they got up to about 190 HP this is also RWHP

 

So what do you think that camaros have at the wheels? I see your talkin about a GT. Well heres news, a new Cobra makes about 270 at the wheels & 320 up front.
alas, the f-body will be put out of its misery next year.
Mustang sales more than double camaro & firebird sales combine, they've been doin that for the last few years, the Ford F-150 ALONE outsells ALL gmc, chevy, and dodge, trucks COMBINE. I just thought I'd add that in there, I like the Lightning pickup, which outsells, umm, diablos, & mc laren f1's combine.

yeah the rx7 is fine, I thought they were all turbos, & like i said japan onlu model, the RS, it has a bigger wing than the other ones & some RS emblems.

 

You know why they sell more mustangs dont you go look at the price of a new bird ot camaro. You can get a mustang GT for about 10,000 Less. But they arent made as well when my firned found out lol he took a turn and they use PLASTIC for the coolant to go into the manafold. and when was the last time you have seen PLASTIC valave covers on the car. Only on a mustang. And i have beaten mustang gt's before reno didnt belive me back when i did it but he does now hafter he saw the HP there puny 8's make

 

GM is still the largest auto maker in the world... People buy more mustangs probably cause they die quicker
Actually I can't back up the GM statement since the daimeler crysler merger... they were up until that point I know...

 

A couple years ago I raced a 96 Mustang and it was basically a dead heat. My dad had a 93 Mercury Sable w/ the 3.8L V6 the Stangs had and that thing would fly. If I raced it against my Camaro my car would get killed. One night I was driving the Sable and raced a 99-00 Stang and got beat but it was a pretty close race.

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I wasn't exactly thinking Rustang history when I posted... Thanks for pointing that out...

 

ok, I'm tired of defending late model stangs (94-new), I dont much like em anyway. I do think they look better than new f-bodies though.
Anyway, GM largest? I'm not sure about that anymore. Ford has, well Ford, in North America, Europe, & Australia, & no two contenets get the same cars, Mercury, Lincoln, Mazda, Jaguar, Aston Martin, Range/Land Rover, Volvo, I think they bought out kia (have you seen the new kia minivan?), sterling (bigass trucks), New Holland (construction equipment), plus 4 or 5 rental car companies. I here thay're also working getting BMW, but I don't see that happening soon.
GM has, GMC, Chevy, Pontiac, for a very short time Olds, Buick, Caddy, Opel which is rice burning eurotrash, holden (aussie), I think nissan, anything I missed?
Daimler/Chrysler, Benz, Dodge, Chrysler, anymore?

[This message has been edited by slix (edited September 03, 2001).]

 

1. B&M Shift Kit
2. 2800RPM Stall COnverter
3. Corvette Servos
4. Tranny Cooler
5. Bigger tranny pan witha drain plug
6. Remote tranny filter

 

you are quoting the hp numbers from the V6 man
the GT put out 220 from 93-98 then in 99 they upped it to 260
though I dont know the TQ figures

if you guy is driving a stock v6 with an AUTO you should win. with a stick it would be more of a race but even then you should win.
just drove a 97 not long ago with dual exhuast and an intake still the bastard was slower then my friends 92.
way slower then my non turbo rx7

you should win that easily
as long as your car is running right.
just dont race the GT.

 

I know the 5.0 Stangs had 140-150 HP then up til 98 i belive they had 190 there was an article on it in hotrod i think a while back.

 

then thats a first on me
they the 5.0 must have been a special mod from 96 on cause they quit making then to my knowledge after 94/95.
also thats sad that the 96 V6 mustang that I used to use as a daily driver had just as much HP as the GT of the same year

sorry if I seem rude just tired and in a bad mood
but the V6 mustangs are pulling 160 from 93-98. then in 99 they bumped to 190.
the GT is running 220 from 93-98 then in 99 they got bumped to 260
and also peak numbers dont mean jack **** sometimes.
example
friends rx7 ONLY 276 hp. he can beat a Z06 he does not have a gutted inside or anything like that. he runs full emissions also.his car is at 2900LB he can run a 12 in the 1/4 and 0-60 in 4.9. how does he do it? not peak number but he puts that power through his entire 8000 RPM range. heck you want to throw in peak HP and torque numbers ok heres mine 146hp/138tq out of a 1.3L atleast these are new from the fact rx7 back in 87 mine has 166k miles and a new cone filter and thats it. I can beat v6 camaros,mustangs probe GT many of those pesky honduhs, have hung with an eclipse GT 2000.

but still I hold to the fact that you should beat her as long as you are running right

again sorry if I sound like I am being b1tchy just tired and had a really bad day

[This message has been edited by rx7speed (edited September 03, 2001).]

 

Where is RENO when i need him to back me up on this.

 

Just had to chime in here.
First off the 4th Gen Firebirds will not lose to a Mustang if they both have v6's. Hello the 3.8 V6 has 200hp now. With a 5 speed and knowing how to drive you could yake a 215hp 4.6L V8(almost)
I also know for a fact that My Escort, yes I said Escort, with me driving is undefeated on back roads(curvs and straights) Vs. V6 Mustangs. Granted I have done some work to it, but come on its not that much faster than a 2.8 V6. I think you guys are giving the V6 Crapstang too much credit.
Oh I am sorry if other people have said this, I didnt have time to read every post.

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I used to be a mustang person
wanted to buy and learned a bit about them

here is the specs on the GT straight from ford.com

$23,330*
4.6L V8 engine with 260 horsepower

$17,695*
3.8L V6 engine with 193 horsepower

http://www.fordvehicles.com/cars/mustang/models/

you have been quoting mustang V6 numbers for the GT
and if the V6 mustang only did have 140-150 hp from till 98 then what would the V6 have ,80-90? damn thing would lose to a metro.
lol now that would be a sad car

trust me on this and also trust me that they dont have a 5.0 it was 95 that was the last year with that.

if you want RENO to back you up well thats fine but I think he would have a hard time saying that ford is wrong on their own cars



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ok, for the record, I dont give a damn how much hp my car's got. Its what it does, not what it says. Like the RX7 vs Z06, RX7 @ 276, Z06 last year @ 385, new one @ 405. RX7 kills both, a 93-95 turbo probably would stock (which I think was 276)
V6 Stangs & Camaros, did somebody say rental car?
Also, base 8's in stangs:
88-93/5.0 HO 225
94-95/5.0 HO 235
95-98/4.6 HO 240/245
99-01/4.6 HO 260
Cobras:
93/5.0 245
94/5.0 ?
95-99/4.6 DOHC 305
00-01/4.6 DOHC 320
Cobra R:
93/5.0 245
96/4.6 DOHC 320
00-01/5.4 DOHC 385

 

I agree with you on that
hp is not the thing that matters
see one of my other post
just trying to correct someone with the right numbers.
as for the Rx7 I was talking about it was not a 93-95 it was an 87 with a t04 turbo.

a stock 93-95 would lose in the straight line unless it is modded though does not have to be much
only place a stock 3rd gen rx7 would win is in the road race.
still please dont get me wrong I love all cars even those pesky honduhs, well till they get riced,

what all would you have to do to get a 3.1 to race a v8 stang?

 

I'm working on a 2.8 that'll beat my friend's 84 GT, I'll tell you what it needs if I can, the GT only has a holley 4bbl, some chrome, accel coil, plug wires, & yellow plugs, I believe somebody on this site said accel sucks, my Dad said the same thing a little more indirectly.
How much does a 3rd gen RX7 go for? I'd like to compare that to the Z06, my favorite rice burner vs. my friend's favorite car, based on bang for your buck.

 

well when you bought them brand new they went for 35k or so
right now you can buy them for 12-20k