Ok bro, well I got the tranny back in the car, my garage is trashed! LOL. But later tonight I will go out and take a nice video and/or PM me you phone # and Ill just call it later tonight. Talking you through it on the phone should be easier. Like 7 or so eastern time, I live in ohio. That would be easier.

 

ok heres the zip

first easy second hardish.zip

 

I looked though the log, try to take longer ones, like 10-15 minuets of data when doing the part throttle drives. You never even went into closed loop(means that your engine wasnt up to temps and such since you dont have any sensor errors)

If you want me to look at some WOT pulls, just go out and make some wide open throttle pulls, full throttle and drive it as you would if you were racing it. These datalogs dont have to be as long.

But for part throttle driving, drive it for a while.

Heres a tip, since your car isnt set up for open loop only, don't bother recording the data untill your car is up to temp 180 degrees or so. You will see somewhere on the screen that it says ready under the O2 sensor value or it will say Closed loop.

Your doing good those man, im glad to see another V6 guy jump into tuning.

Ok now,

Open loop basically means: that your car is only useing the information pre programed into your chip with no feed back from the sensors to correct fueling and such.

Closed loop basically means that your car is running off of the sensors feed back, so for part throttle logs it should be in closed loop unless your going WOT(wide open throttle) If its not its there are a few things it could be but mainly your not up to desired engine temp or your flooring it at the time.

When you floor it your car automatically goes into open loop and I really doing want to confuse you with what else it does at the moment. Which means that the computer doesnt take in consideration if the car is lean or rich and so on.

For example on my car, I never run in closed loop. Mainly because tuning it is hard enough as it is and I dont mind the loss in MPG when part throttle. But in your case you wouldnt want to do this, as your car is still basically stock and can take advantage of the lean cruise and purge can and so on.

 

im confused lol ill call ya

 

ok heres a couple of data logs, not sure if i did it right, i drove it around for a while then i did race1 then race2 then short hot drive. chip is in mail.

race1.2.hotdrrive.zip


All 3 should be in the folder.

 

Ok bro Ill get on it. I make up a nice little tune tonight and tommorow and get her off on monday in the mail.

Does your shift light work and come on? Do you want it to come on at a different RPM??

Im battleing some spark knock issues here right now on my car. Tuning is driving me nuts sometimes. Im hitting up the drag strip in a week from today.

 

yea deff pumped for that chip to come. what brand is it? mines SST i hear that was a good one. so did you get the data you needed from my logs?
and yea the shift light works but it comes on at like 2k rpm and comes on randomly though out the driveing range lol. yea have it come on a little higher like maby 4k. once im chipped imma hit the roads sooome feirce lol. FRICK mpg gimme pooower lol

 

can you fill me in on what spark whatever is and knock count and some of the other crud im reading? injector flow size or what ever? what will you be adjusting?

 

The chips the same kind you got.

Spark knock is also called detination. Its a very bad thing!! basically its when the fuel in your cylinders light off(explode) before its suppose to. Too much timing(Spark Advance) can cause this along with alot of other things, but thats the main one.

Since you have a stock narrow band o2 sensor your seeing 0-1 m.volts. So you definitly want .900 or higher in those readings when your Wide Open throttle. Its not the fastest or best way to tune but it will work as I had to do it before I got a wide band oxygen sensor$$$. .500 mv reading on you logs is suppose to be 14.7 AFR which is what you want at least when crusing and idling. Theres no sence in running rich and wasting gas when not beating on the car.

All INT and BLM does is adds or takes out fuel using your narrowband o2 sensor values to get the desired AFR that is programed into your chip, BUT this is not for WOT(wide open throttle) This only works this way in CLOSED LOOP.

Also when your just cruising arround look and see what your BLM(block learn multiplier) and your INT(intergrater) values are. You want a 128 as a value there but anything within 6 numbers of that is a decent number. So 122-134 is good. 124 for example means the ecm is taking fuel out, and your rich. 140 for example means that its very lean and is adding fuel to try to get to the desired AFR(air fuel ratio)

So really heres some of the values to look at:

o2 sensor mv readings VERY IMPORTANT(although narrowband o2 sensors are not very accurate)

Knock Count(spark knock) VERY VERY IMPORTANT

MAP(manifold absolute pressure)

KPA readings (0-100kpa which is what the map sensor reads)

Intake Air Tempeture (IAT)

Engine Tempeture(IMPORTANT)

RPM (you have a manual) so this is somewhat IMPORTANT

MPH

INT(intergrater)

BLM(block learn multiplier)

SA(Spark Advance)

Injector Pulse Width(this is how hard your injectors are working) IMPOTRANT

 

Also bro I didnt know if you knew but you can go on acqusition and export the log file. And what it does is lets you then open that log file on excel. So you can look at your files like a spread sheet. Thats how I always see what my 0-60mph and such times are.

Im looking at you file now I see you were short shifting the car a little.

Also that you actually have knock retard when your in 3rd gear. Basically you ECM is taking timing away from your car when you have knock retard. Your knock sensor thinks that your have spark knock(det.). Im not sure if you do as you might have a loose pipe somewhere or something. But you had almost 6 degrees of timing retard at one point and believe me thats something that will take away HP. Ill keep checking out your files tonight.

Whats werid is you have knock retard but no more knock counts to match. hu? I have to think on that one but 6* degrees of retard is ALOT!

I uploaded a file for you to see if you have excel. Its much easier to read then on tunerpro

ALSO are you seeing any glitches on the tunerpro screen when your recording?? Like weird numbers here and there?

 

naw no weird numbers. and what do you mean by short shifting? like i should be lettin the rpms get a little higher before i shift? idk if i have excell on this laptop..its new so it should.. ill try to check it out and idk anything reatarding the motor, iv done reatrd and advance on my old trans0am just fudgin with the dis. but idk anything about mine now, i aint ever touched it. but do you have enough data to make a chip or should i get some more tommorow?

 

ok so i looked up how NOT to short shift and found out what it was. i wish i could see like a powerband graph through the gears so i could know where my peak is so i can shift better. a technique i read is to shift a little AFTER your peak power so that the next gear is closer to the peak inste of shifting AT the peak where your rpms would drop more below the peak...do you have a graph or any dtata like what im explaining? i think i get it but im not sure.

 

well to quote myself after doing some diggin i found out that STOCK

140hp is at 4400RPM
185ft/lb at 3600RPM

so which should i be shifting close to during a racing app? im thinkin in my lower gears shift a closer to the 3600RPM so i can get the most of my torque on takeoff and closer to 4400rpm in my 3-4 shift? is this making any sence or am is my logic off lol

 

Shift at 5-5400 Rpms so that when it hits the next gear your in that power range still. Dont worrie these motors like to be reved up a bit. Make some more dataloggs of you just going 0-75 or something without letting off the gas. Do that a few times. Then Ill have some more info to base the chip off of. And hopfully I can get you a good burned chip without haveing to send a new one every few days.

 

its hard for me to get 75 on he road i drag, its the only one i fee comf driving my illegal car (till i go get an inscpetion) on and its the only real straight away with no a whooole lot of traffic. but ill go out and do a few more runs today once i get home, wife wants to take our son to the park, being easter and all...but yea ill deff get that done today. thanks for the advice brother

 

No problem bro. Its easter so take your time and when you get some more files just link them up and Ill keep looking at them.

 

imma go out and take a few right now i just hope i dont run outa gas
lol

 

ok heres my race logs. the accident one is were i tryed to launch to hard and spun all of 1st and most of 2nd gear. but the other 2 i played the clucth/gas better. i got over 70 on both runs i belive, shifting that high helped ALOT! thanks for the advice bro. between 4.2-5k is where i was shifting. just so ya know

accident.gooddrag.zip

 

Ok bro, I will check them out tonight. Right now im battling false spark knock issues on my car and I have to get it right before next saturday for the first race of the year. Oh this is freaking flustrating

 

ok sounds good bud, i put the chip back in the mailbox.

 

OK awsome, Ill get ya one out asap! Probly have her done by tommorow night and Ill send it out. Just reamamer that the first chip is just the start. I bet ill have to burn of a good 5 chips to get your tune where you want it. The only reason its only 5 or so chips to burn is because your car is basically stock. Mine is so far from that, ive burnt like 500-1000 different tunes in the last 6 months..LOL

 

sounds good bro. did you get a chance to checkout my logs? did they look better than the last set of race logs?

 

Do you want any emmisions stuff gone?? or Vats??

Do me a favor though and go get some R42ts spark plugs from the local parts store, there only 2 bucks a piece. AC delco ones. There colder ones so you can try to cut back on any spark knock. And gap them a little less then stock. .040 at the max. But no tighter then .035

 

if i get rid of my emisions stuff will i get more power? and i DO want vats, its only only security considering i dont have door locks that work haha

 

is R42ts the part number? for ACdelco plugs?

 

Yea thats the part # for the plugs. Emisions stuff IMO wont really make anymore power. I just took all of my stuff off to make room and clean the engine bay out. So ill just leave the emisions stuff alown for now.

I did get some work done though on your chip. I doubt it will be the best chip on the first try. But ill keep making them untill you like it. Keep in mind that tuning only helps so much. Mods always help with tuning. But a tune will definitly help your car!

 

Heres another tip if you want... go get a 180 degree t-stat. There only like 5 bucks at a auto store and then Ill change your fan on/off to 195 on and 175 off. Its better to keep the car cooler. And I'll have to change a few other values but it will be better for the car to keep it cool.

 

dont chane the thermostat yet, i wont have the cash to get anything else for a bit, moneys gettin tight. but do what you can, sounds like its coming good. what kinda gains should i expect to see with this first chip burn?

 

Ok, well looking at your logs. 5-10 solid Hp Id say. I forgot how simple you files are on your car Mine mask that Im running on my car now its so complicated with so many features.

But really 10 Hp is so hard to get in these car im telling ya. I tried so many little bolts on and nothing ever compared to porting the heads, and that cam when it came to just raw Naturaly Aspired power. I bet I got a great 15-25Hp out of that combo when it was tuned.

Yea the turbo did more then I could ever dream of. But you can take to this to the bank....IF you really want power in the car, dont buy bolt on stuff and waste $$ on underdrive pullys, K+N airfilters, throttlebody spacers and all that stuff. Save your money up for a bit and get a deltacam and port those heads! Your already on the right step getting the stuff to be able to datalogg and toss chips in there. So just keep that in mind, that you might not get a ton of Hp right now....but when you do start to invest $$ into that car, that you being able to tune is such a MUST that is rarly practiced with these 2.8/3.1L and is a shame in my mind.

 

sounds good brother, ill be saving for the cam and lifters anwhen i get enough ill port the heads while there off. you dont with the chip allready?

 

Yea im basically done, ill look it over again though tonight. Oh yea i forgot to tell you I though there was a option to change the shift light on your car but I can seem to find it and Im almost positive that I was thinking of my $59 mask, which does have the shift light on it. But anyways just let me look it over again tonight and ill send it out in the morning, so youll get it by the weekend.

 

scooooore, sweet dude, i REALY appreciate it

 

so i was under my car yesterday putting some z-max (trying atleast) in my tranny when i noticed that some oil was leaking from the dust cover between the tranny and motor. this would be a rear main seal yea?

 

Could definitly be, also check the dizzy. That thing tends to leak and goes right down by the tranny. Theres a little rubber o-ring that seals the oil from coming out of the dizzy at the base of the Block. So check that area out first and formost.

 

ok will do. thanks bud

 

heres the lof with the chip in. it foulded the plugs and flooded it. also got codes for cylinder select and ECS or what ever. lemme know what u think

first on chip.zip

 

Call me bro, I think you may have put it in wrong or the adapter at you look like its not connected right from the data. ALDL problem... as a error

 

Ok I dont know why I lost the call, but upload the datalog if you can later so I can look at it. But at least we got you back up and going with the new chip. Just keep a eye on spark know whenever your on wide open throttle untill I get to look though the logs.

By the sound of your voice I take it you like the chip????

 

hellz yea i LOVE the chip haha. i must have moooore lol. we lost service on my end i think, i have crappy service on my road. anyways..i took a short log, i stoped twice to do burnouts during the log, couldnt resist....lol


chip installed correctly.zip

 

BTW there was no spark knock that i saw through out the log. shweeet

 

You sure right no knock at all. The log looks good. I can mod the chip a little more. Just give me a few days as I have to race tommorow and that tuning is a PITA...but fun though


Does the car pull better at the wide open throttle runs, how about the higher rpms?? How does it feel in general? Is it a smooth power and not falling off as fast at a certain RPM's considering your car is basically stock? All 2.8l/3.1l camaros fall off in power at 4500rpms or so, since the heads are junk.

Im glad your car likes the chip I made. I really wish you lived close because I could tune your car so fast since its stock and wouldnt have to worrie about if the chips are helping and such. Im glad that I did ok with the first chip though!! This is the first time I burnt off a chip for someone other then myself.

 

well i realy appreciate it. ill send you back your stock chip, you can burn on that one if you want, it will take prolly 4 days for you to get it so you will have time to do your races and shtuff. good luck man! and naw, it feels like deff. gains throughout the powerban. idk if greencamamaro still post but if he dose BUY THIS CHIP SET UP! lol i apprecaite/bow to your chip bruning skills...lol now lets push the old girl a little more :b

 

 

No problem man, just send that extra stock burned chip back and well push here some more.

I havent seen greencamaro on here in awhile

 

sounds good ill send it out tommorow

 

Hey, in the mean time when you get a chance make some more datalogs, the more the better. WOT stuff. Dont be afraid to shift high 5k rpms

 

Hey Bros, whatsup?! yea man i havent been on here for a while because im always tired :/ right after work sleep for 2 hours and then school and then after school sleep for 4 hours then work.. hectic lol but i made me a custom sub box for the camaro and got me some RF p2's, algo got my the rear main seal but have no time to change it lately, so im driving my beater car ( ford escort) and it has 210,xxx miles on it lol wow. next check i will be buying:

-Head Gasket Set

-MAYBE a turbo (ed will you help me choose a good one low priced to start?

-adl cable

- gonna go pick up the 82 camaro finally

- and a clutch

 

before you think about the turbo i would DEFF get the chip set up bro, i swa massive gains, and for everything it was 100bucks or less....good to hear you still around brother

 

yea bro, well wither way ill probably get both, last check was at $856 but spent more then 3/4 on paying court/jail/probation fees. done with all that crap so now to live my life right !!

Oh Man Tho guys, Theres this guy in town, a new friend. he has a 1991 Vert with a 350 silver color with 20 in custom rims. SO NICE!!!!!!! and only has 97,xxx miles. i fell in love with it, in mint condition

 

Good to hear from ya bro, just keep playing with your car and it will keep you straight in life. Its a good outlet and hobbie.

Get the chip/tuning stuff first. But if you are serious about the turbo stuff, I'll help you out.