2.8 firebird/auto 3:42 rear pleather seats /doorpanels
red on black
has a blown trans 150k on the engine , got the guy at the junkyard to swing a 9 inch tailshaft th350 in with the deal
can anyone guess what ill be doing with this? well besides saving it from the crusher

 

He's selling it as a roller, or with title in hand...?

 

clean title walked out the door with the car = 4 steel rims and tires + the good th350 trans for 250 bucks

car dosent need much the front bumper cover is just not fully bolted on ,need to see whats upwith the headlights , some slight body work.oh yeah and the inevitable dash pad

other then that it need a trans which is what the th350 is for , and i need a driveshaft as somone bought it before he thought to give me a call about the car

 

Good deal, he must like you because he could have scrapped it for a lot more. Is this going to receive your V6 blower motor, or do you have another turbo build in store for this one? Funny how you went Firebird this time, as I'm now looking at a '92 3.1 Berlinetta hardtop for a grand over here lol...

 

i didnt want a firebird since i have another but f-bodys are hard to find out here so ill take what i can get

im either going to setup the 2.8 for boost or pick up a cheap 3.1 crank , and get new pistons and turn it into a 3.1 , port the heads, 264/272 turbo grind cam , 3.4 intake , gt3582 turbo , th350 trans with the 3:42 gears which will be mini spooled

once its done ill do the body work ship it over to macco for a 400$ paint job and use it as my new driver

 

oh yeah the first thing to go is the stock dash , alls it has is the 80mph speedo and a fuel level gauge , and a ton of idiot lights , have to see what it would take to do a transam/gta cluster swap

 

Sounds like a plan. Keep it sleeper though, w/no ground effects. Should drop a lot of jaws...

 

thats the plan
though it will be very hard to go 13.50's with up here , im at 6,500ft above sea level , and that usually goes much higher with the heat here.

the good news is all the other cars slow down as well , a 10 sec car at e-town woudl prolyl run mid 11's here

 

That car would be pretty bada$$ if it were combocharged.

 

i could very well do that with my other firebird, im in the middle of putting a 4-71 roots blower ontop of a 3.4 for it , wouldnt take much to add a turbo but the 4-71 blower will support more power then i can make by itself

 

Be sure to start a build thread then, unless this one will be it, of course...

 

i may make this my build thread not sure yet
thinking i might play with compound turbo setup , few things i dont undertsand though is once the air has gone threw both compressors say at a moderate boost level actual boost is like 50-75 psi but only so much will show on th eboost gauge say 15psi

ill have to do mor ereasearch but from what i rember the second compressor multiplies the first compressors presure depending on what the setpoint is for boost level on each compressor

 

Not if you include labor for the prep, then the cost to crush, trucking a semi load to the........

$250-$300 is all you get from big full frame cars in the end.

Even less if it has no title here as it has to be cut into 3 pieces also, so its not a car anymore.

Just have to find a guy who you connect and jive with and they will gladly give you lots of stuff for low cash money if they don't have to process it.

 

Compound Boost - What you should know

Compound Boost Facts

Written by HellionCraig

Because of the overwhelming popularity of the compound boost setup, and the many questions that surround it, we at Hellion Power Systems have decided to include a Compound Boost section to specifically answer the most common questions we receive and to also get some facts out in the open about the systems and their performance.

FAQ:

Q: Can I use the System WITHOUT the Supercharger?

A: Absolutely. This kit will attach to a stock 96-98 or 99 & 01 Cobra intake just like our other 96-04 Cobra single turbo kit, or will attach to a sheet-metal intake on GT500's. The Supercharger is simply an option for those who want to try the Compound Boost setup .But no, the supercharger is NOT a requirement.

Q: Will I Make More Power With a Smaller Pulley/More Boost?

A: The short answer is no, not necessarily. In the compound boost setup, the turbos are the more efficient power adder, and because of this, we want to try and utilize the power they can make as best we can. By turning the supercharger faster than it's factory setting of 8-10 psi, the compounding ratio is increased, and therefor total boost levels will increase at a more pronounced rate. This may limit the amount of boost that we can run from the turbochargers, which may limit top-end power. However, by turning the supercharger faster, it is possible to create more low-end power and torque, at the expense of top end power efficiency.

Q: Can I use a Kenne Bell or Whipple Supercharger with the Turbos?

A: Yes. Keep in mind though, there are some precautions to take with the larger, twin screw superchargers. The amount of air that a twin screw supercharger would flow through it, as well as the manner in which the twin screw superchargers compress air will lead to much, much higher total boost levels versus a roots style supercharger. This is an important factor to keep in mind when tuning the car for maximum power. Turn the supercharger slower with a larger pulley, and any potential issues should be resolved.

Q: Is the Supercharger a Restriction?

A: No, not at all. The supercharger is not a stagnant, solid piece that air has to travel around or through. Rather, the supercharger is simply doing what it does, and that's take air and essentially make it smaller. The supercharger will simply take the air that has been compressed by the turbochargers and further compress it as it travels into the engine. In fact, the turbochargers will basically help to improve the overall efficiency of the supercharger. Roots and screw-type superchargers experience a condition known as "back flow." Back flow refers to air that doesn't make it into the engine when it is compressed, and actually comes back up into the intake tract. This air is heated, and is the cause of the loud noise heard from positive displacement superchargers. When the turbos are added in conjunction with the supercharger, they help to keep the airflow directional, minimizing the amount and effect of the back flow. Also, it's important to remember that boost itself is actually a measure of restriction, so to speak. The number that we read as "boost" is positive manifold pressure, or the byproduct of the engine only being able to flow a certain amount of air through it at any given time. The air that is being forced into the engine will eventually overcome the amount of air that the engine can ingest during every revolution, and the resulting "back up" of air is positive manifold pressure, or boost. Therefore, by using the supercharger to create a higher level of pressure, it cannot be viewed as a restriction.

Q: How Come the Turbos Alone Will Make More Peak Power at the Same Boost Level Then?

A: As previously stated, the turbochargers are the more efficient power adder (supercharger vs. turbo). In the compound setups, the turbo boost level is limited because the air will be compressed again by the supercharger. Therefor, 20psi of compounded boost will only be about 8 psi from the turbos and 8-9 psi from the supercharger. This means that you will see peak power characteristics that reflect the amount of turbo boost present, with low-end power characteristics of a supercharger. The total boost number is somewhat irrelevant. If we use the turbos only to create 20psi, they are in a more efficient airflow range, but will lack the low-end power of the supercharger. Also, the turbo combinations with lack the mechanical losses, however minimal they may be, which will lead to slightly higher peak power numbers.

Q: What are the Real Benefits of the Compound Boost Setup?

A: The real world benefit of a compound boost setup is average power and driveability. With the compound setup, you can still have the instant boost and low-end grunt of a supercharger, but the addition of the turbochargers will allow for a much more efficient and powerful top-end. This is referred to as "power under the curve." The average amount of power that we are able to produce with the compound systems will provide better driveability while still producing hair-raising amounts of power. Here's a quick example of how to think about it:

Let's say that we have a car that makes 1,000 hp peak, but only makes 500 - 1,000 hp for around 3,000 rpm. Now, we have another car that makes 900 hp peak, but makes 500-900 hp for 5,000 rpm. If we use a linear progression of power to calculate the average power through 5,000 RPM, the second car in question would have an average power output of about 700 hp through 5,000 rpm, whereas the first car mentioned would only have an average output of about 550 - 600 hp through 5,000 rpm. Using this equation, the first car in question has a higher peak power output, however the second car will most likely out-accelerate it due to the fact that it makes more average power over the same RPM range...

http://www.hellionpowersystems.com/i...boost-resource

 

No cost to me over here, which is why everyone refuses to take less than $600 for a beater in New Jersey. Over here we just trailer it to our destination, they accept it, weight it, and give you what they are currently paying for scrap. I myself scrapped a second gen Firebird last year and got $600.00 for it, albeit I loaded it up with other pieces to add weight, of course...

 

same concept but im talking about doing it with 2 turbos im sur eits still the same though

 

You mean two different size turbo's? I would just go VGT instead, less of a headache...

 

LOL, guess 2 of us got the itch today

https://www.facebook.com/media/set/?...=1&l=9230c55f6

 

link no work

 

It's a white fiero.

 

lets try this again lol


https://www.facebook.com/media/set/?...1&l=9230c55f64

 

Nice Fiero! Is this the one that's getting the turbo in the other thread...?

 

oh no way, just a fixer upper that gets better fuel milage than the mustang lol. cant find much in vegas

sorry to jack your thread dave

 

Everyone is getting these new toys but me

Nice dave. Turbo that puppy.

 

Don't feel bad fasteddi. I don't even have enough money right now to work on the toys I got, let alone get a new toy. We'll be miserable together. LOL!

As always, I love seeing new projects. Excited to see where this goes...

 

Me thinks it's about time to get a little challenge going. Perhaps a 2.8/3.1/3.4 challenge. Let's say we have the entire winter to work on a project, any project, build it however we want, but it's got to be a 2.8/3.1/3.4 of course, and the first one to hit the tens, wins. Anyone game...?

 

Would LOOOOOVVVVEEE to see this grudge-match!

 

i dont count cuz i dont have a 3rd gen lmao

 

Im down Rob

 

He didn't say anything about it having to be in a 3rd-Gen. He just said it had to be a 2.8/3.1/3.4L V6. You meet those restrictions...LOL!

 

very true lol. i doubt i can get 10's tho

 

wish you could come save the bird in the yard near me... 89 gta, delux gta interior, t tops, factory 350, dark magestic blue, aluminum drums and rust free.... beings parted out because the tranny went bad... i have pictures of it on my build thread..

 

sell me that fiero??? well as long as it isnt a 4cyl

u know it

i would never hit 10's at my altitude so u would have to use corrected times based on da mine goes as high as 8-9k above seal level


either that or i just team up with fast or blazer and make sure one of them hits the 10's first

 

wow thats a shame

 

What we'll do is start an entirely new thread, a thread in which will collectively show everyone's builds, and all updates regarding the individual build will be put in that thread, so the build thread basically belongs to everyone taking part. Anyone can join in the fun, and the idea of course is to see who builds the fastest 2.8/3.1/3.4 by the end of the winter. As always though, I am a stickler for videos and time slips, so there is no would if's, or mine would have been faster, blah blah. Can be in any car or truck. Can use any power adder, or a combination of them. This is what I have my eye on, didn't buy it yet, but I am close to it; '92 3.1 Camaro hardtop. Already have a wicked $8F code that I am playing with, too...

 

that looks like an early berlinetta

 

That's exactly what I thought, so I went down and had a look at the title and it's definitely a '92 with a 3.1. The rims and badging were added by the former owner, why I have no idea, but if I buy it that is all getting pulled off anyway. Price is "so so", but it's all I can find at the moment. Might be tagged, as the thought definitely crossed my mind. Getting tired of birds, too...

 

something is fishy with that car rob , no gfx for one.
id stay away from it

im going to go out on a limb and say its an early car somone is doing something fishy with the title

hell if its got a maf sensor u know its bogus


if it is an early one chances are it has the early engine which is dog poop

 

Look at the nose clip, see how the white is different from the fender. I'm thinking tagged. The hatch has the correct 3rd brake light in the upper glass, so the hatch is more than likely '92 as well...

 

drop the ecm and check the number 302= 2.8 car
ilso check the rockers for mounting holes for the gfx same with rear quarter panels

 

Engine is definitely a 3.1 w/speed density, checked that out immediately when I seen it. I could pull the ECM to confirm its a '730, but at this point I'm not going to even bother with it. If we do this challenge, I'll get my hands on an engine, build it, then drop it in the GTA being that it is already wired the way I need it to be and just burn a new $8F chip, not to mention the suspension, drivetrain, etc, is already done in the GTA so it's just the matter of building a V6 for it. The question now though is which one to go with...

 

We demand updates!!! Lmao

 

opps i updated on the other site.
anyways this car is getting the 3.4 and blower , i have the adapter mocked up and figured out a work around for the blower drive so i could center the blower on the intake front to back.

ned to get ahold of some 1/2inch thick aluminum plate and take it over to a welding shop few towns away to get it welded up

 

I'm up for the grudge match! anybody want to send about $1k my way so I can do the build?