fasteddi

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Also John if you are sticking with a 10 bolt for a bit I have a Richmond locker I'd sell super cheap compared to what it cost new. Only 1k miles or less on it. Like new still. Richmond lock rite.

C2YT

It will see the rollers at some point this summer, no clue what it will make though.


I'll keep that in mind mark. My wallet is looking pretty thin right now! lol

fasteddi

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Haha I understand completly. My lil car is back into the 11s. Im doing a brake swap this weekend to areospace front drag brakes. Since i really dont drive it on the road, i got them for a deal from a fellow thirdgen guy. These things are light! the spindles, calipers, and rotors together literly weight 48lbs less total then the stock stuff. Amazing and easy weight reduction. My car is so close to being back at the 3000lbs without me mark even with a V8 in it.

tylercamaro

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mark whats price on the loc rite?

C2YT

That is sweet Mark! Talk about a nice way to shed some weight. I'll be adding a little probably with the LS1 upgrade but it will be worth it.


Refinished the wheels, i'll post up some pictures later.

fasteddi

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yea I gained weight with the v8 but it's nice to get it back down to my v6 weight. One good thing we have going on with a v6 is weight. Big time....

Tyler pm me. Asking 225 plus the ride. Cost about 400 new and it's still like new.

C2YT

Drove the car around these last couple days, did pretty well. Needs to be retuned for sure, but cruisablility is pretty good. Pig rich at WOT.

fasteddi

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Glad to hear ya got it out and cruising arround!!

C2YT

Yeah, look at this pile of goodness... haha


Slammed on GC Weight Jacks and e38 BMW Wheels. 18x8 in front and 18x9.5 in rear.


Also got the LS1 Brake Upgrade on the front. I have some sway on hard braking, I know car needs an alightment again (obviously).

C2YT

Thank you FastEddi for letting me borrow his OBD1 ALDL Cord! I need to recalibrate the LC1 Wideband and get to tuning. After this winter I feel like I have gained a lot of knowledge and know some problem areas that need some attention.


Keeping my options open for making more power down the road... haha. I'm still thinking that a turbo L98 would make simple, easy power and basically drop right in. Already have the tuning equipment, engine, trans, accessories, built 700r4, converter, etc etc. TurboTPI's car has shown the potential of that setup and I think it would fullfill my power goal for 450-500 wheel hp on stock internals. Not to mention the torque would be a lot of fun around town.


Other option is LS swap, but everyone LS swaps now. I have always been different with this car and want to continue to do so. Not to mention that it would probably blow my budgtet out of the water by the time I gather all the little items needed for the swap. Fbody accessories, fbody oil pan, pick up tube, windage tray, hp tuners, 4l60e, stall, crossmember, mounts, injectors, etc etc etc.


I have kind of thrown out the idea of a hybrid V6. After watching mark push his to the limits I know it is capable of 400-450 wheel horsepower, but for how long?


Last option would be a 3500/3900 swap. They are pretty common around here and can pick up a 3500 for $200-$300 complete. I can re-use almost all of my turbo items like the hotside, cold side, etc. I believe I can still run it on obd1 correct? I have been trying to do some research but good threads are few and far between.


If anyone has something to add please do. I love listening to the input of others who have been though this and can offer real advice. Thanks!

tylercamaro

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turbo l98

C2YT

Haha is it motivation for you to turbo the 305?

fasteddi

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I would either pick a sbc or lsx.. or a 3900. Skip the hybrid imo. The only problem I had with mine was the crank and it was probably closer to 500 horse power when It actually broke. If you are ok with 400hp basically a high 11 second car. Then a hybrid 3.1 or 3.4 is more then enough. My original 3.1/3100 lasted over 2 solid years of beetings and ran high 11s. But if you are going for over 450 then ditch the older 3.1 and 3.4. Keep in mind my sbc I have now is right back to that 450hp area. Smaller cam then the turbo had.. lol i hayr to say it but dang its easy to make a fast v8 and do it cheep too.

C2YT

I think the goal would be to have the opportunitiy to make more than 450 down the road. The hybrid would be exhausted at that power level and then I would have to change it up again down the road.


I figure LS can make an easy 500-600 on stock internals while I could enjoy a sbc for a little while and then build a forged engien down the road.


Another worry with the 3500/3900 is the transmission. At those power levels this 700r4 that I have will not last long, and I refuse to go to a th350 or th400 due to the lack of overdrive. Just a personal opinion.

tylercamaro

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more or less yea. just really want to not have to sell this lt4 hot cam but whatevs

fasteddi

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4l80e ftw!!!

a lsx based engine will handle way more then 500hp in it's stock form. It still amazes me all the people running low 10s and 9s with stock bottom ends on the lsx. Amazing.

C2YT

Going to look at a complete 2002 4.8l with harness and computer for $300 on Monday. Anything I should look for specifically?

I figure if I pull the trigger I will make a list of parts that I will need and a direction to go

tylercamaro

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i may be of assistance, i have hp tuners at my disposal, just have to usually buy a license

fasteddi

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If that engine doesnt come though look for any 4.8 5.3 or the best of them all a 6.0 lsx. Iron block is best look for those. A 6.0 iron block is what I would look for out of pickups. 2500 Silverado....exc. have A lot of them.

I have hp tuners. I have all gm licences up to 2003. Gtp, camaro, impalas. You name it I got it. And a black box recorder. You can borrow it but have to treat it like gold. Lol I got this all off a good friend back when I had my l67 swapped gp. Right now a friend is borrowing it but I can get it back of you would need it. Just let me know.

Also I was so close to doing a lsx swap instead of the gen1 sbc so if you need help let me know. I did mass research on the swap.

C2YT

Sweet mark! I'm going to look at it tomorrow. Complete 4.8 from computer to o2 sensors for $300.

fasteddi

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that's cheep and a great deal if it's in good shape. Let us know how it goes.

C2YT

Well I picked up the 02' 4.8l for $300. Complete with harness, sensors, manifolds, etc. Going to refresh it and drop it in next spring. Gathering turbo parts and all the works over the winter. Shooting for 450-500 wheel horsepower.


Time for an upgrade! This build has been a lot of fun and has taught me the basics I needed to learn in order to take the car to the next level. Going to enjoy it for the rest of the summer then I already have a buyer for a partial kit. Will be selling the tuning equipment at the end of the season also.

fasteddi

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Well bud we had our time with the turbo v6s. Sure did teach you a lot didn't it. It's so much easier to make a v8 fast and reliable trust me. So consider yourself lucky to be one of the few on here that successfully built a fast v6 on your own. Unlike a v8, our v6s are not easy to make fast and reliable. It take determination and skill. Ive seen so many on here start a built and then never finish it. I can't count the number of people who have asked for help and of course I helped as much as i could You did awsome man. Never forget you had a apecial turbo v6 thirsgen. And the only non turbo trans am v6 thirdgen ever to win car of the month on here.

C2YT

Hahaha I sure did learn a lot Mark! It was something that I wanted to do, so I did it. I know what you mean about people asking for help but never following through. Thank you again for all your help with everything. I still can't believe the car won COTM either. It just keeps getting better and better.


Once the ball gets rolling I'll make a new project thread for the swap. Hopefully I can do it with as much attention to detail as this build.

Sierra6

I would just like to say that I will be the new owner of this kit and it will live on in the V6 section of Thirdgen. This is something I've wanted to do to the car for the 13 years I've owned it. As I discussed with john, I might try adapting my driver's side pacesetter header to the system. It will be running Megasquirt II (already installed on the car) and it will be dyno tuned, so we'll get some #s out of it.


Will I be the first to turbo a bird on here? Seems like I've only seen Camaros.

fasteddi

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Awsome. I live in the area so mabey I'll see it around one day. I've seen 2 turbo birds. One 2.8 and another 3.1. But you are right I see way more turbo v6 camaro then birds.

Welcome to the turbo v6 world. Although I got outta the game this spring after about 6 years of serious racing with the 660s. I still love seeing them and one day ill build another one once i get this speed itch off my back lol.

Sierra6

Thank you, however I actually live in Alabama. He'll be shipping the system to me.

So I might be the first 3.4 Turbo thirdgen bird then? Lol

C2YT

Glad to know that it is going to a good home!

Turned the boost up from 11 psi to 15 today. What a difference! Also played around with the boost controller. A little more tweaking and it will be set. I would like to see the car hit the dyno sometime but I'm not sure if it will. Won't be going to the track as I'm having a problem with the 3-4 shift under WOT. Just wants to bang off the rev limiter. Perfectly fine under normal driving though.

fasteddi

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Be careful out there bud if you are burying the spedo. I too use to do that a lot but as I've gotten older and seen wrecks and such at the racetrack, I won't do 120 130mph like I use to on the road anymore , crap I haven done over 70 on the road in like 2 years with the camaro. Just don't wana take the risk.

You are shifting from 3 to 4 under wot? When you race or know you are going to bury the spedo, leave it in drive. So it doent shift into od although I swore I put the spring kit in the trans that would stop it from going into 4th at wot, to save the trans. Your are really burying it.. Lol I trapped 115 with a 700r with that converter and 3.73 gears. It was about 6k rpm in 3rd going though the traps.

What's the rev limiter set at? Set it at like 6500 or 6700. At least 500 more then what you shift at.

15 16 psi is the sweet spot with that gt35 and the 3.1 when it had iron heads.

You got ya race it once or you will regret it. Trust me. I'm out there each Sunday. I'll video it!!

fasteddi

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opps sorry I assumed you lived locally.

Well if there is anything you don't get from Jon then let me know. I have tons of turbo v6 parts and mainly lots of hybrid parts still.

I look forward to seeing you built a turbo 6!

Cheerio

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what stuff do you have left from the hybrid/ turbo builds?

fasteddi

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intakes, heads, injectors out the butt.... what do you need? I basically have a whole hybrid kit someone could take and toss it in there ride. Including the ignition control module and crank sensor as well. Let alown turbo stuff such as turbonsmart wastegate and blow off valve. And a custom 3 inch piping kit and intercooler for a thirdgen camaro. Also Taylor 8.8 blue plug wires that are labeled and also have boot heat covers on them.

Also a delta 260 a delta 272 cam and a 299 dur. Cower cam as well.

Cheerio

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Pretty much everything thing for the hybrid build. Still can't my hands on a crank trigger wheel from the 3.4 block. All v6 in the junkyard are 3.8 there is one 3.4 but I was unable to remove the crank trigger. I looked into buying a new crank pulley but I wasn't sure it had the 7 grooves. Let me know how much you'd like for the hybrid kit and delta 260 cam.

Is the turbo setup for a hybrid or stock engine?

C2YT

Mark has all the goodies. I believe I have a half done log header that still needs a merge welded in and finished up.


Mark I might buy that 3" intercooler kit from you. What color are the couplers? LOL

fasteddi

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The charge side turbo kit was for a hybrid but would work on a iron head to. But I have no exhaust stuff left. Sold the headers already and the turbo. I do have a bad *** Westgate for sale still.

blue couplings. But not that many. As most is welded together. Trust me it's shiny like a mirror and you can't see the welds much if at all. Fusion tig welds.

hybrid top end set up. 250 bucks. That's the heads. Assembled. Lower and upper intake. And throttle body with sensors. Also the iac with coil packs. And crank sensor. Valve covers. And if I have a set of pushrods for it still I'll toss them in. But on top you would have to pay shipping unless you live within 3 hrs of northwest Ohio.

Delta cam. 50 bucks plus shipping. But if you go hybrid I strongly suggest the 272 cam. Way better. 100 bucks for the 272 as it was a custom split turbo cam And the lifters are high grade comp cams. Cost 100 themself. And with the 272 cam I'll have the matching lifters for you. So drop them in the right holes that I Mark for ya and no cam break in required.

pm me for more info so indont mess up his thread with for sale stuff. Thanks.

Jonathan when ever you need a hand let me know. I'd love to go for one last ride in the old 660.

C2YT

Well, the car is getting an upgrade to a turbo 4.8l/4l60e! If you enjoyed this build please take a look at the new thread. Feel free to ask any questions about this build too. I recently took a ton of pictures of the setup in prep to ship to the new owner.


I'll have my tuning equpment up for sale soon along with the GM boost controller and a few other small items. Would be a great package for someone looking to turbo their 60v6. Feel free to PM me!


https://www.thirdgen.org/forums/powe...urbo-4-8l.html

fasteddi

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It was fun watching you build this set up, riding in the car, and helping you here and there. It was like watching my original turbo iron headed build 6 years ago all over again. Very cool car. And one engine set up in sure you will never forget. I know ill never forget my turbo v6 builds. I actually kept the intakes off each one. The 3.1/3100 that made that 11.23@123mph pass is a trophy basically on my wall. A engine I'll never forget. Awsome job on the build and I can't wait to see how your lsx turbo build goes!!!