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It appears I've been shafted by Custom Chips, John Wayne, Oscar Sebastian of whatever his name is. Same old story...paid for the chip, waited over a month, excuses about shipping issues, chip got lost, shipper returned it, the usual BS, then promises he's sent it out 'personally'..well WTF did you do last time; send robocop? Idiot.
Oh by the way he's now using a new trick which I fell for. He refunds the money and tells you theres a problem with his paypal account, then asks you to use google pay, or skrill to send the payment which ISN'T refundable. I fell for it and now I'm paying for it. NOT happy.
Anyway, i've lost $70 and I'm pissed off, BUT i need to find someone who can burn me a chip ASAP that will enable the following :
Removal of:
EGR
Air Pump
Smog
Cat
Addition of:
Headers
K&N air filter and associated cold air tubing
V8 exhaust from the cat back
If anyone can help I'd greatly appreciate it because at the moment I feel really annoyed and I have an engine that's gonna run like crap on the original chip.
My car is now pretty much a paper weight thanks to this guy and I don't know where to turn for help with a chip.
Thanks in advance and sorry for the rant guys and gals.
Did you post this same text in another sub forum??? I swear I looked at this same worded thread elsewhere. If so six shooter and Pillsbury made some good point and I can say is that I agree with the things that were said in the other thread....
As for burning a chip. Myself along with some others burn chips mainly for our own cars. What ecm do you have? 302? 7730 what year is your car? When it comes down to it I could probly burn a chip for you depending on your ecm. But you would still have to buy the adapter gp1 kit from moates which also has some chips in it. I believe it's 65 bucks. So your looking at that cost no matter what just in materials. But the good thing is once you have those things you could have someone with burner, burn the chips over and over again. But I definitly need to know what ecm you have for sure to say anymore.
Last edited by fasteddi; Jan 20, 2016 at 06:04 AM.
Did you post this same text in another sub forum??? I swear I looked at this same worded thread elsewhere. If so six shooter and Pillsbury made some good point and I can say is that I agree with the things that were said in the other thread....
As for burning a chip. Myself along with some others burn chips mainly for our own cars. What ecm do you have? 302? 7730 what year is your car? When it comes down to it I could probly burn a chip for you depending on your ecm. But you would still have to buy the adapter gp1 kit from moates which also has some chips in it. I believe it's 65 bucks. So your looking at that cost no matter what just in materials. But the good thing is once you have those things you could have someone with burner, burn the chips over and over again. But I definitly need to know what ecm you have for sure to say anymore.
Yes I did! I was advised to post it in the V6 section too.
I don't know what my ECM is at the moment due to being at work but I can send you details tonight if that helps.
All I want is this doing once for now and don't mind about the cost to install it.
Any help will be greatly appreciated, I'll post the info later on.
Well let me look up to see what that chip set up looks like. From what i remember the 870 ecm is only in 1985 or a few years right around then in the camaros firebirds and vetts. The aldl baud rate is something like 160....lol thats slow communications. Thankfully in 86 they went to the 165 ecm which is much better. Many people swap out that 870 to the 165.
I just want to see what adapter you have to have for the new chip to mount to. For what i know there may not be a adapter and you have to solder the chip into the unit. I am use to 165 ecms and 7730 and the under the hood versions. Ill do some research unless some one chimes in.
I found the bin files and xdf to fry off a chip but only for the V6 versions that are automatic Th125c and the 700r4... Ill keep digging and see what i have. Do you have the ecm open to where you can take a pic of the guts of it?
Last edited by fasteddi; Jan 20, 2016 at 03:51 PM.
Also for a faster turn around time for this you could contact tunedperformace they are a vendor on here i believe. I know they do good work. I am against any mail order tunes when it comes to performance, but that's just my opinion. But when it comes to just removing emissions and stuff like that mail order chips work good.
That ECM uses a 2732 (24 pin EPROM), and requires a G2 adapter from Moates to be soldered in when using a more commonly available 28 pin EEPROM, such as the 27SF512.
It amazes me that guy delivers chips to some people, but shafts others. How does he decide who gets the shaft? Is he just that unorganized he loses everything? I don't get it.
Do you know how to solder?
After seeing your pics of the old ecm and six is right on, as he always is with these things, youll need to solder on a adapter for a flashable chip to fit.
It looks like that. You can purchase on at moates.net. Look under the 85-95 gm tab on the left side. Its the g2 chip adapter. There are 2 different ones i see though which depend on the leg spacing of the original chip. Im not sure which one you have to be honest. mabey six shooter can help on that.
As for the chip itself. I will look more for the orignal bin file for you tonight and see if i can find it. If so i can flash what ever you want and then just ship that puppy out to ya. Trust me if i can find the files for you it wouldnt cost much at all. The chip is 5 buck on its own which is pretty cheep then a little bit of time for me to burn it and ship it off. Ill pm ya about it as soon as i find the files i need. Id be using a 27sf512 chip as i have about 15 of them on hand..lol dont ask me why...
Thanks for all the info guys but the guy from Sinister is saying I don't need to solder anything due to the chip being in a plastic carrier. Also he has given me links to the same type of chip and explained that it can be UV flashed to erase it and reprogrammed. So I'm not quite sure why I'd need this adaptor??!
You don't need it, but you want it if you are actually going to be doing tuning. UV Erase and burn is old technology that none of the new burners support and is a pain when attempting to actually dial in a tune.
I went through this lately with my 92 Firebird TBI that uses those chips in the plastic carriers. I got lucky and found a person who had the old burning stuff/uv eraser as all I needed was VATS removed.
Well this is essentially what i'm after as once this is done it's done! I just want to remove stuff!
Sinister is going to take the reading of my chip, do the necessary adjustments and send back an updated tune which I can then upload to my chip. I can understand if i was constantly fiddling with a proper tune it would be a right pain UVing them all the time, but as this is a 'one time only' type thing, I'm happy to do it. Unless of course the newer gear is cheaper??!
Well if you can get some one to do it for cheep then power to ya man. Nothing wrong with that. I actually had a old and i mean old... UV set up but a fellow gear head wanted to buy it a year back so i sold it(basically gave it away). I never messed with it much and to be honest it just sat on a shelf for about 3 years collecting dust. I love moates equipment for OBD1 but i do understand that sometimes the old technology is necessary at times.
The other side the adapter is 35 bucks and i probly would have charged about 35 bucks to ship a tuned chip to your door so for roughly 70 bucks you could have a removable and burnable chip that is easily accessible with the modern tunerpro/moates equipment.
I don't ever suggest the UV erase type of programming simply because sometimes it fails. Some of the UV chips don't erase correctly or don't reprogram correctly, sometimes you get lucky and it works as you'd expect. It's a crap shoot whether it will or will not work as it's supposed to. Add in the age of the EPROMs, and they tend to fail more often.
Last edited by Six_Shooter; Jan 23, 2016 at 08:43 PM.
Ok so what you're saying is avoid the EPROM method, with the old chip. On that case can someone please send me some links to EXACTLY what I need to convert my stock ECM chip to the newer type so I can get this sorted. Also will I need to read my chip and send it to you with it being a 2.8 V6 manual transmission?
Well I've had some help from Sinister and I can get a 2732a chip, burner and UV thingie here to do the job but I don't have a clue how to do it! So I think I may just read my chip so you guys have the image file and then the pay you to burn me a new 2732a if that's ok?
Here is a part of a thread you can ready though. It will help you understand it all.
In saying that. As I understand I can read your bin file with my moates burner via turnerpro. I have the xdf file already just not the manual bin file which I could read then and modifly from you and send back a new fresh tune on a 27sf512 chip. You would then have to follow those directions i linked on a few post up from moates on how to install the new chip into your current ecm.
If you feel uncomfortable i could do all the desoldering and re soldering. That would cost more those as that can be time consuming rather then quickly reading a old bin file, modding it, flashing it, then sending it on its way. But for me to do the soldering you'd have to send me your ecm, also send me the stuff from moates or I could just purchase it. Just PM me and let me know whats up. Ill help as much as I can but you need to be decisive and either go the UV route or the modern route. Either way would probably work but the UV way is definitely a flip of the coin.
Did you ever get a hold of tunedperformance? To get a quote and see if they could do this for you. Doing something like this is always going to be cheaper from a company that does this sort of thing for a living compared to a gear head in a garage that does this stuff on the side.....and mainly for friends which is free..lol although a few beers for a tip helps...
Here is the addy of the whole thread from what is below. Read though it. Its not hard to do the modifying yourself. With a good soldering gun and such anyone can do this if their patient and take their time. And this way you can save some cash. https://www.thirdgen.org/forums/tbi/...free-tune.html
"These files are related to each mask, a mask is basically a code set that can be run in several ecm’s LO3 and LO5 engines were run with a “746” ecm that has a $61 mask so we need a $61.ecu which I attached. Lastly we need a .bin file, these changed with years, transmission and even emissions. Luckily there are only 2 or 3 for an LO3. We might also dabble with the “747” ecm that was used in the trucks and is a close cousin to the 746, very little is different. The mask is called $42. Which I’ll also attach. Some ecm’s will run different mask to run different motors, most of the TPI stuff interchanges with the V-6 models and only differ by mask.
Ok lastly we need a burner, and a socket in our ecm. There is a slight hitch with TBI that most beginners get all squirmy about, DON’T. From the factory our ecm’s use a 24 pin UV erasable chip called a 2732. These suck, the eraser is expensive ($50) the chips are no longer made and only half of your new chips will work. Luckily the easy way around this is to use flash erasable chips either 29c256 or 27sf512. These chips are only 5$ a piece and can be erased by your burner. The hitch is that they are 28 pin chips and require an adapter. Moates sells this adapter here. It’s best to solder a conventional 24 pin socket into your ecm and then plug this into it, our factory socket is made to use the plastic holder thingy which is darn near impossible to change chips in and out of. The problem is most people don’t like soldering and sockets can be a bit tuff to replace. Moates offers a service to socket your ecm. I’ve used this adapter with the stock socket, I just put a dab of hot glue to keep it from vibrating off, but even this isn’t really necessary, your adapter will touch all the pins but won’t be as secure as a std. Socket. You also want to pick up a ZIF which is nothing more than a quick release for your chip, this makes changing chips a breeze and eliminates the chance of bending a pin. Ok that’s it that’s the hitch, it isn’t that bad.
Now on to burners, you have 2 options for entry level chip burners (I’m not going to go into emulators and the autoprom, but search for info on it if you have 300$+ to spend). My first choice would be the flash and burn , it’s cheap and it does what we need to do. The only problem is that it won’t program 2732 chips….which isn’t a problem if you’re using flash chips. It will however read 2732 chips so you can download your stock bin. The other option is the pocket programmer, it will do any type of chip but cost a bit more and requires a printer port.
One last TBI specific hint, since we are using big 256k or 512k chips and our bin file is only 4k we need to offset our bin file to the last “slot” in our big chip. This is easily done with an offset feature built into the burning software. Offsets are as listed, and read this to better explain what we are doing."
Last edited by fasteddi; Jan 24, 2016 at 04:18 PM.
Ok so I'm trying to download a BIN feel from the Tunerpro website but it doesn't list my 6870 ECU with anything other than the V8 motor. Confused.
I've read the chip using the software that can with it but I can't get tuner pro to do anything. I'm a bit out of my depth here.
EDIT: I think i'm just going to read the original stock chip and send it over to Sinister and see what he suggests. I just can't work out how to get tuner pro to display anything after importing the BIN file. I don't have the ADX file and can't download it from the PROM. Bit lost here.
Last edited by knightinblackar; Feb 4, 2016 at 06:58 AM.
Ok so I'm trying to download a BIN feel from the Tunerpro website but it doesn't list my 6870 ECU with anything other than the V8 motor. Confused.
I've read the chip using the software that can with it but I can't get tuner pro to do anything. I'm a bit out of my depth here.
EDIT: I think i'm just going to read the original stock chip and send it over to Sinister and see what he suggests. I just can't work out how to get tuner pro to display anything after importing the BIN file. I don't have the ADX file and can't download it from the PROM. Bit lost here.
You need the proper XDF file for the bin you are loading to be able to see the data.
