Yesterday I burned up 3rd and 4th gear . The shop that is doing it , is real good .But , I just dont know how much they know about shiftkits when it comes to tranny .But they could be right .They told me this shiftkit .Is really for a V8 .And it will be really rough when it shifts . I want those neck snapping , hard shifts , gosh I love driving in a standard like that .Its so AWESOME ! ...The kit I have has a .471 boost valve and a corvette servo anyone else have this in their 2.8 , how do they like it ? Thanx guys !

 

89CamaroRS has that installed in his. he chirps 1-2 shift. I personally do not like it cause if you have anything over 1/2 throttle it refuses to shift untill Yellow line. Then the chirp and it does not seem to help out much on accel, just holds 1 and 2 a little longer.

 

I just talked to the "transmission man " .The other guy was just my mechanic .I walked up to these 4 guys , they are all grinning ear to ear .I had the bottem pan in my hand so I guess they knew I was the guy with the camaro .I said "with that shiftkit , will it shift hard ?" and will it be hard on the tranny or anyhing ? "No stilling grinnnig" .I said "good , I want those good hard shifts ". I can't wait till Fri , Thats when I get it back !!!

 

Thanx hunter !
This re-build and shiftkit install is costing me $1000 though , but I think it will be worth it . Dad keeps bit(hen at me "your putting to much money in that car ! . I don't care I love that car !



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THIRD GEN F-BODYS RULE !!!!!!!!!!!

 

No prob. Just personaly I do not care for it cause it shifts REAL hard, hell I can rip my 5 speed, and its not THAT violent....

BTW on wet roads yesterday I was slowing down for some idiot that has no clue how to drive... well he turns and I nail the throttle going 20-25MPH? in second... rear sqats for a few seconds then breaks loose! from torque! I loved it... spun for about 30 feet came back(No swerving or anything) and sqated and screamed on down the road.

 

It's been two days guys !!! I've been without her I want to go drive out right now and look .Id have trouble finding her though in the shop , the shop where my tranny re-build is being the shop has 14 stalls ! Just the building with stalls not including all the equimpment is 2.2 million ! I know the people pretty well that work on her , so I know shes sleeping in one of the stalls .It's been REALLY cold down here guys , last night it was 21 and tonight it will be that cold again !

 

I hope you mean -20... 20* is a warm spell.

 

No , 20 is super cold down here in Louisiana , we don't see that kinda weather very often at all .Usually at night we have lows in the 40s .Highs in the 60s for our winter .Very mild .But to us 20 is farkin cold !

 

It's going to feel like a whole new car, dude! Let us know how it drives! When do you get it back?

Also, what kit did you buy? We can actually use a V8 rebuild kit inside our V6 trannies; in fact, I don't even think they sell a V6 700r4 rebuild kit. The internals were 98% the same- in one spot, the V8 has a thicker clutch pack. In another, the V8 has a thick sprag, but the V6 trans has a thin sprag against a spacer.

 

They told me I would get it back either today or Mon .Most likely mon b/c the way its raining hard down here , and they baby my car pabably wont even get it out on the road to test it .
I think my tranny will be V8 tranny now , or will be REAL close Tom ! ..Here is the kit I ordered offline :

Super Master kit 700-R4 / 4L60 1987-93 # 35003BS Super Master kit, 700-R4 / 4L60 1987-93 Includes: Overhaul kit, Borg Warner friction clutches, steel clutches, Borg band, filter, pump bushing, pump seal retainer, servo piston (Corvette style) and accumulator piston. Note: Includes the steel plates .

I paid $94
Here is the shift kit :


# 98355 82-93 by Superior
This high performance valve body kit is designed to deliver the following:
Super positive shifts, Includes Corvette style servo, Stabilizes 4-3 shift, Raises lock-up speed
Includes .471 boost valve, Includes Corvette up shift sleeve.

I bought these from www.Makcodistributing.com .I think thats the link anyway .Let me know if it is the right one . I was Very pleased with their business . I paid $104 for this .

 

Nice! I like how that kit came with the upshift sleeve. I have the "downshift" sleeve, by B&M. The thing is great. Once I have the car at about 65, I can almost floor the pedal, and it won't kick down into drive- it stays in overdrive. It made my overdrive gear become a "useable" gear, instead of just for cruising!

Oh & you would not believe how the cheap-o B&M shift kit made my car feel like a meaner animal. Not only do you get the hard shifts, but since the kit makes the trans shifts FASTER, the car turns into a little rocket when you mash the pedal down! I could just imagine what -your- kit will do for the trans.. wow.

 

If I had to do it over again , I would go with the B&M shift kit . I didn't know that was a "shift kit" .There is alot of shift kits out there but they don't call them "shift kits" because Transgo has that name "Shiftkit" .But it seems like a few weeks after I ordered it , I started hearing how good the B&M kit makes the car shift really good .If I ever own an IROC , which I hope to get me a junk one when I get out of school and restore it , I will prabably go with the B&M b/c the good price and the good things I've heard about it .On the other f-body site I am on , the administrator of the site has a B&M in his 68 camaro , and it will bark the tires in 2nd and thats the same kit you have !!!!!

 

Well , I got it back today after all ! ...It shifts AWESOME !!!! I love those hard shifts !!! Its hard to tell now , if its faster or not , Im having some ignition problems , and Im not so sure that they put the right stall converter on it ! At first when i took off from the shop , it didnt seem like it wanted to get up and go good .I thought , well its that wire by the EGR valve . On the way home I pulled off the interstate , and made sure my TV cable was hooked up , it was . I nailed it WAAAAAA , then I had to let off of it cus I had to stop for a stop sign , but I nailed it again , it spun like it never had before .I thought Ok , no more of this for now , "that's enough Wayne " but it still seemed kinda slow .I nailed it at a light and I caught second "er " I was like $HIT Then later on down the road I hear "wo wo woo woo " I look in my mirror and see flashing lights "oh $hit I was slowing down and pulling to the left shoulder ! But they passed me up , going after someone else . I did it again , b/c I wanted to make sure the car was running ok .Then it hit me ! I forgot about the coil I need to change !!!!( it has a crack around the post the terminal hooks up to , not a big crack but a crack. But could it cause poor performance like that ? Im not totally sure they put the right converter in b/c usually when I use to step on the gas and not hard even it would slightly buck you when you took off , well no it wont at all .Is there a breaking in time for this tranny ? Or did I break it in on the way home ? I doubt the coil would be causing it to take off kinda slow huh ? It just seems like it hesitates a little when I put my foot on the gas then takes off good ....What you guys think ? I also am not sure its the right converter b/c at first they got the wrong one , how do I know they didnt get another wrong one ? What you guys think ? Thanx guys !

 

Wayne,
Get your engine to cooperate and everything else will fall into place.
YOU have to get used to the "new" tranny.
After fuel, ignition and engine is smooth, you'll enjoy the tranny more.
Once you remove the coil problem, you'll discover how good the tranny is.
Wayne, what part was $95? The rebuild kit?
OR the "shift" kit?
Or both, together, cost $95?

 

Karl , Thanx , The shift kit was $100 and the rebuild kit was $94 . I was just thinking about it more .It's been REAL COLD and REAL damp down here . that explains why my ignition is acting up even more now .Thats prabably whats making it feel like the stall converter is not the right one . My tranny cost me $1300 !!! .They told me I had torn up some sprags !!! I guess when I tear up something I do a good job at it huh ? I could prabably use a new rotor to . Gosh I'll almost have a tolal ignition rebuild !

 

Also , where can I get a cheap code scanner ? and what brand ? Discount auto parts has them for $30 but I really dont wanna spend that much right now . My check engine light is on .It was coming on before I got the tranny fixed though .But now
it seems its coming on more .Can worn ignition parts cause it to come on ? ? ?

 

Nevermind , I just found the "paperclip trick" !

 

NO!! Don't get the B&M Kit!! I said "cheap-o" because the kit is cheaply made, and hurts the 700r4 over time. The Transgo kit is the one to get. The B&M Shift Improver Kit might do okay for other transmissions, but it's the hated product over at the tranny board. If I had to do it over again, I would've spent the $120 for the Transgo one. (If I rebuild this trans, the B&M kit is coming out, and the Transgo is going in.) You've got a much better kit in your trans than I do in mine.

Glad to hear you're enjoying the rebuild!

Oh and yeah, an ignition problem will definately simulate a transmission problem. My trans used to act up much worse than it does now (last week, it slipped out of second, and didn't go back in for a long time- good thing I was the only person on the road). I rebuilt the distributor, and suddenly the "trans fixed itself". An exhaust leak can also simulate a bad trans.

I hear there's no break-in for transmissions. I asked the Lee Myles guy that same question, and he told me there's none. And if you think about it, there's really nothing to break in. Engines need to break in for the rings to seat and for the lifters to wear the appropriate pattern into the camshaft. But in the transmission, everything is already sealed, and nothing needs to wear down to work! Altho, I'd suggest getting a remote trans cooler, and letting the trans "warm up" in gear for 10 or 15 seconds in the morning before taking off.

 

well i guess for autos theres no recomended beak-in period

but my centerforce clutch came with a nice warning not to drive the car hard for the first 500 miles with the clutch

 

Thanx Tom ! ... Yeah , I got me a tranny cooler . I bought it when i thought I was going to get a high stall put in .But , I was thinking sence I do alot of interstate driving and its so hot down here , a tranny cooler could do pretty good ! HEY TOM , AND KARL , I know ya'll are pretty big fans of Accel , I LOVE their plugwires .I think Tom you said "your accel caps did not last you " But how do you like the rotors ? .And your opinion Karl ? Thanx guys !

 

Wayne,
I have Accel 8.8 wires.
NO PROBLEMS with my V-6
On my Corvette I use Accel 300+ wires.
I have headers.
I have the boots wrapped in asbestos wrap from a welding supply store.
No problem, there, either!
I haven't changed my Accel cap for couple years now.
I "cleaned" it while I did the swap.
Works.

 

dood ! Karl ! , Your ganna have to get us some pics of all your hot cars when you get your digital camera !

 

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89CamaroRS has that installed in his. he chirps 1-2 shift. I personally do not like it cause if you have anything over 1/2 throttle it refuses to shift untill Yellow line. Then the chirp and it does not seem to help out much on accel, just holds 1 and 2 a little longer.

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hey hunter its not that bad man..when u floor it in 1st gear my TV cable is adjsuted such a way that it redlines that can be taken care of ... if ur over 3k rpm and u let the throttle off it shifts just fine ...

well the shift kit as i see it makes shifts hard at any rpm ... the boost valve and the servo help it even more

the boost valve actually helps by increasign the line pressure which is actually good

i even spin tires during a 2-1 downshift what i mean here is the downshifts are real fast too...

been one month since i put the kit in ... seems to work great

 

my post the other night dident make it.

The break in period for an automatic transmission is 500 miles! Change fluid and filter and GTG.

The difference between transgo shift kit and B&M shift improver kit is overlap. Overlap is when the clutches inside the transmission hold each other durring a shift making it a soft shift. B&M kits increase the apply pressure but overlap remains, so it just makes it feel like its shifting harder the damaging effect is still there. Transgo kits reduce overlap and make the transmission shift harder with less wear on the clutch packs also increasing apply pressure. I have no problem with the B&M kits, my camaro had a B&M built TH400 race calibrated trasnmission in it and I loved the way it shifted but in reality it doesent feel any different than the transgo kit I have in the 700r4.

 

*** i remember when i got my tranny rebuilt, what a day when i got it back. The entire thing cost me 800bux, not to shabby, and they threw in a transgo kit for free love those deals. The guy said " we had this kit for a 700r4 sittin in the shop, and ur the first 700r4 we've had in here in a while, so we might as well throw it in yours. Then the threw in a vette servo, and they boosted my line pressure. the tranny shifted and still does shift like a king, and yes those 1-2 shifts are hard as hell, the 2-3 one is hard but not back breaking hard. Oh, upgrade to a V8 tranny mount, i snapped about 4 v6 versions, have one for a TPI 305 in there now, hasn't broken ..... yet.... knock on that wood stuff. and enjoy that tranny, but get that engine running good too. cya.

 

All my trans mods so far:

B&M supercooler
Summit remote trans filter
B&M 4-3 kickdown kit
B&M Shift Improver kit (stage 2)
B&M Console Megashifter
Valvoline semi-synthetic trans fluid
Energy Suspension poly trans mount
Energy Suspension poly torque arm mount (does a LOT for handling!! Get one!!)
"Track only" TCC lockup switch

One of these days, probably after this trans dies and I get another, I'll put in the AutoMeter trans temp gauge. My remote trans filter has a tapped hole just waiting for a gauge (it's got a pipe plug in it now)!

And actually, I'm not too big of a fan of Accel plugs, but their plug wires and coils seem alright. The rotor would wear out as much as the cap was (and they're sold as a kit, anyway; I don't think you can buy one without buying the other). I haven't checked this GM cap yet, but when my major tuneup comes, I'll pop it off. I change cap/rotor every year, so we'll see how it looks compared to the Accel piece.

 

Unless you drive like 50,000 in a year, it is NOT TOTALLY NECESSARY to change the cap each year.
I'm on two years or so now.

 

I do the major tuneup EVERY YEAR- no exceptions as to parts. And yes, that includes the $80 set of MSD 8.5mm spark plug wires. Have you seen the inside of your cap/rotor lately?

 

I'll bet it looks a white-ish & such.
But, car runs great and I want to fix other projects first.
I did say IT IS NOT TOTALLY NECESSARY
New plug wires every year, too?
Tom, really?
Hell I've got five cars, I drive/not drive.
When a problem occurs, that's when I many times tackle it. Or I just get another car to drive!!!
Right now, I want to settle into my finished move, sell stuff on ebay and look for a house to buy & fix & sell.
I need another BIG payday.

 

I wish I lived next to you ! Id be going threw your trashcan at night to find those MSD wires !

 

Ive had the SAME rotor for 90 k miles .My cap has been on for about 50 but I think its cracked with the way its running now . it was pissing and fartin around this morning when I would take off .But when it warmed up it was ok .

 

I bet it'd run better (both of your cars) with a fresh cap & rotor!

And yep; I don't just post "Do major tuneups!" and not do them. Look at my major tuneup post, I do everything listed in it yearly, with the exceptions being the coolant replacement and front wheel alignment. That's why I can say my motor's always in top running condition (as well as can be for +200k miles). That's also how I know that when something goes wrong with my car, it's nothing to do with anything on the major tuneup list.

I usually do the major tuneup when college gets out and the weather is nice outside. It's always my first order of the year from Summit. I thought you guys knew that!

Oh and Wayne, you'd come up with just regular trash; I've kept every set through the years. I figure they're always there for "spares" in case I melt a boot or something.

 

Never thought about it like that , thats a good idea .

 

I do not doubt my Firebird would run better.
What does the EGR affect?
I have ping at deep towards part throttle.
I hope it holds up until the end of the month. Then I'll have time to play with the car more.
Right now searching for a place to do engine swaps.
Down to one option.
Actually two, but, I don't want to mess up my driveway. I have a sloping driveway.